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Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 15:20:48 GMT -5
Going into the season I really have no expectations for this team, it will be a nice surprise if we are able to win the Big West. IMHO anything less than winning the Big West and advancing to the NCAA tournament would be a disappointment, in this season or any season. The Wahine are one of the most historically accomplished women's volleyball programs with one of the most passionate and supportive fan bases in all of Division 1. Expectations for both recruiting and on-court performance should be commensurately high. When players leave or graduate we should be able to reload, not just rebuild. If anyone associated with the program is content to back off from that standard of excellence then they're in the wrong job. It doesn't matter that UH isn't a power conference school. The Wahine have a level of visibility and popularity in the local community that rivals that of any women's volleyball program anywhere. With focused and competent leadership it should be possible to leverage that strong community support to generate the NIL funds and other resources necessary to remain at the top of the Big West. Laura Beeman is finding ways to do that for the UH women's basketball program and she doesn't have the benefit of 30 consecutive NCAA tournament bids or crowds of 6,000 plus in the SSC to impress potential new recruits. While Robyn has a very different style from Laura, so far she's figured out how to keep the NCAA tournament streak alive through the ups and downs of each year of her tenure, and I won't be content with one iota less from Robyn and her staff going forward. Well said. I've been saying bascially the same thing for years and got shaite on from a few homers on here. Be prepared to be shaite on and hear a bunch of excuses from them...
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Post by staticb on Aug 26, 2024 15:56:23 GMT -5
I think our program is established to the point where it's not an unreasonable expectation to win the Big West every year.
Will that actually happen? Of course not, but when it doesn't, it should be considered a disappointing season.
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Post by medusa on Aug 26, 2024 16:11:18 GMT -5
I think Hawaii UCSB will be playing for 3rd and fourth place in the tourney and CP an LB will be 1 and 2. I do hope UH proves me wrong big time.( Using reverse psychology on myself). LOL....
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Post by noblesol on Aug 26, 2024 16:17:35 GMT -5
The example provided of whom to follow, WBB and Beeman, is at least a couple of steps down from where Robyn has kept her program.
Beeman is stuck in a Tier-4 conference with a Tier-4 program. Her Final RPI ranking has gone further south each year since 2021. The conference is very weak and going nowhere. To her credit people like her despite her declining RPI trend, and the Hawai'i WBB fanbase small as it is, thinks she does just swell. They realize what she's up against. Her NET ranking is better than the RPI ranking, as is the rest of the BWC, but that's because NET ranking gives extra credit for losing close games against better teams. Most of her non-conference she schedules better teams and loses close. But RPI doesn't like losses and gives no credit for her programs swell losing efforts.
Robyn has kept her program about as she inherited it. Tier-2, in a Tier-3 declining into a Tier-4 conference. The BWC in WVB has grown notably weaker in RPI ranking over recent years. Recruiting to stay Tier-2 and staying nationally relevant in a conference declining into Tier-4, is about an order of magnitude more difficult than what Beeman has had to face. No one expects Beeman to attract five- or four-star talent. Yet Robyn needs at least one of those each year just to tread water as a Tier-2.
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Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 17:20:25 GMT -5
Going into the season I really have no expectations for this team, it will be a nice surprise if we are able to win the Big West. IMHO anything less than winning the Big West and advancing to the NCAA tournament would be a disappointment, in this season or any season. The Wahine are one of the most historically accomplished women's volleyball programs with one of the most passionate and supportive fan bases in all of Division 1. Expectations for both recruiting and on-court performance should be commensurately high. When players leave or graduate we should be able to reload, not just rebuild. If anyone associated with the program is content to back off from that standard of excellence then they're in the wrong job. It doesn't matter that UH isn't a power conference school. The Wahine have a level of visibility and popularity in the local community that rivals that of any women's volleyball program anywhere. With focused and competent leadership it should be possible to leverage that strong community support to generate the NIL funds and other resources necessary to remain at the top of the Big West. Laura Beeman is finding ways to do that for the UH women's basketball program and she doesn't have the benefit of 30 consecutive NCAA tournament bids or crowds of 6,000 plus in the SSC to impress potential new recruits. While Robyn has a very different style from Laura, so far she's figured out how to keep the NCAA tournament streak alive through the ups and downs of each year of her tenure, and I won't be content with one iota less from Robyn and her staff going forward. So much @$$%*!*! It will be a down right miracle if Laura Beeman’s team gets a first round win in the ncaa tournament or averages half the fans Robyn’s team does or even breaks even money wise..
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Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 17:21:42 GMT -5
IMHO anything less than winning the Big West and advancing to the NCAA tournament would be a disappointment, in this season or any season. The Wahine are one of the most historically accomplished women's volleyball programs with one of the most passionate and supportive fan bases in all of Division 1. Expectations for both recruiting and on-court performance should be commensurately high. When players leave or graduate we should be able to reload, not just rebuild. If anyone associated with the program is content to back off from that standard of excellence then they're in the wrong job. It doesn't matter that UH isn't a power conference school. The Wahine have a level of visibility and popularity in the local community that rivals that of any women's volleyball program anywhere. With focused and competent leadership it should be possible to leverage that strong community support to generate the NIL funds and other resources necessary to remain at the top of the Big West. Laura Beeman is finding ways to do that for the UH women's basketball program and she doesn't have the benefit of 30 consecutive NCAA tournament bids or crowds of 6,000 plus in the SSC to impress potential new recruits. While Robyn has a very different style from Laura, so far she's figured out how to keep the NCAA tournament streak alive through the ups and downs of each year of her tenure, and I won't be content with one iota less from Robyn and her staff going forward. Well said. I've been saying bascially the same thing for years and got shaite on from a few homers on here. Be prepared to be shaite on and hear a bunch of excuses from them... Robyn has a good feel for people so no surprise she decided to ignore an old jack@ss like you!
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 17:44:12 GMT -5
The example provided of whom to follow, WBB and Beeman, is at least a couple of steps down from where Robyn has kept her program. Beeman is stuck in a Tier-4 conference with a Tier-4 program. Her Final RPI ranking has gone further south each year since 2021. The conference is very weak and going nowhere. To her credit people like her despite her declining RPI trend, and the Hawai'i WBB fanbase small as it is, thinks she does just swell. They realize what she's up against. Her NET ranking is better than the RPI ranking, as is the rest of the BWC, but that's because NET ranking gives extra credit for losing close games against better teams. Most of her non-conference she schedules better teams and loses close. But RPI doesn't like losses and gives no credit for her programs swell losing efforts. Robyn has kept her program about as she inherited it. Tier-2, in a Tier-3 declining into a Tier-4 conference. The BWC in WVB has grown notably weaker in RPI ranking over recent years. Recruiting to stay Tier-2 and staying nationally relevant in a conference declining into Tier-4, is about an order of magnitude more difficult than what Beeman has had to face. No one expects Beeman to attract five- or four-star talent. Yet Robyn needs at least one of those each year just to tread water as a Tier-2. Complete BS. You're completely missing the point HawaiiMongoose was making! For the record, unlike Robyn Ah Mow, Beeman has elevated the WBB program taking it to levels almost as high as Vince Goo - who has been the most successful UH Basketball Coach in UH history and has taken his teams to NCAA's 5 times. Beeman has been Big West Coach of the Year 3 times and has taken the WBB team to the NCAA tournament three times - something no other UH BBall coach except Riley Wallace and Vince Goo has been able to do in the history of UH Basketball. As HawaiiMongoose has pointed out, Beeman has done this without the history and without the crowds/fan base that UH Wahine Volleyball enjoys. Beeman has ELEVATED the program unlike Robyn. Also, your comment that "Robyn has kept her program about as she inherited it." COMPLETE B.S.!!! We were consistently ranked and in the national discussion every year (except for the injury plagued 1992 season) until Robyn took over. Since she took over we've only been ranked once and have been bounced in the 1st Round 4 of the 6 times she's made it to the NCAA's. Give me a break with your BS...
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 17:48:04 GMT -5
IMHO anything less than winning the Big West and advancing to the NCAA tournament would be a disappointment, in this season or any season. The Wahine are one of the most historically accomplished women's volleyball programs with one of the most passionate and supportive fan bases in all of Division 1. Expectations for both recruiting and on-court performance should be commensurately high. When players leave or graduate we should be able to reload, not just rebuild. If anyone associated with the program is content to back off from that standard of excellence then they're in the wrong job. It doesn't matter that UH isn't a power conference school. The Wahine have a level of visibility and popularity in the local community that rivals that of any women's volleyball program anywhere. With focused and competent leadership it should be possible to leverage that strong community support to generate the NIL funds and other resources necessary to remain at the top of the Big West. Laura Beeman is finding ways to do that for the UH women's basketball program and she doesn't have the benefit of 30 consecutive NCAA tournament bids or crowds of 6,000 plus in the SSC to impress potential new recruits. While Robyn has a very different style from Laura, so far she's figured out how to keep the NCAA tournament streak alive through the ups and downs of each year of her tenure, and I won't be content with one iota less from Robyn and her staff going forward. So much @$$%*!*! It will be a down right miracle if Laura Beeman’s team gets a first round win in the ncaa tournament or averages half the fans Robyn’s team does or even breaks even money wise.. LOL! You're missing HawaiiMongoose's point too! The point HawaiiMongoose was making is that Laura Beeman has elevated a program that doesn't have half the resources/fan base/history that UH Wahine Volleyball has. Can't say the same for Robyn...THAT"S A FACT.
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 18:14:14 GMT -5
Going into the season I really have no expectations for this team, it will be a nice surprise if we are able to win the Big West. Same here. I think they'll challenge for the BW title again - which really isn't saying much. But beyond that who knows? I was pleasantly surprised with their play in the spring scrimmages against UNLV, Colorado State, and Notre Dame. Hopefully they will surpise us this year. I'm hoping a player or two will elevate their game this year and surprise us all.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 26, 2024 19:22:15 GMT -5
In terms of resources, Hawai'i WBB has consumed far more than WVB. Collegefactual.com data (scraped from reporting agencies, at least three years old) shows Hawaii WBB expending ~ $2.3 million/year, and DIV-1 WBB can offer fifteen scholarships. Hawai'i WVB reports expending ~ $1.4 million/year and can offer twelve scholarships.
WBB has been a big money loser under Beeman. In comparison, most years WVB has made a small profit, under Ah Mow.
WBB under Beeman has finished further behind in final RPI rank each year the past three years. Some of her better seasons came early on in her history, when she was getting cross over players from WVB. Kalei Adolpho and Megan Huff.
WBB attendance went up recently, but many of those came because season ticket holders across multiple sports received free General Admission tickets as compensation for Covid cancellations, and many 'double-header' promotions with MBB. Bigger attendance numbers, but small sales.
What I've come to appreciate about Beeman is she can sell. WBB is the money pit of women's athletics while returning little of note to the post-season trophy case. She's obviously plateaued with the program, yet she's convinced many WBB is worth a million each year in red ink. Go figure.
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 19:26:37 GMT -5
Let me start with this, Dave Shoji and Vince Goo, were both well respected and honored Head Coaches, in their respective sport. To the point, they are both in the Ring of Honor, at the University of Hawaii. I believe, all of us can agree on this point. Both Head Coaches kept their respective programs at the Top of Conference play and had multiple appearances in the NCAA Tournament.
Now we get to Robyn Ah Mow and Laura Beeman. Robyn Ah Mow took over the Wahine Volleyball Program that was still making NCAA Tournament appearances. There were no other Head Coaches, of the Wahine Volleyball program, between the time Dave Shoji retired, and the hiring of Robyn Ah Mow. The Wahine Volleyball program was still a known Team in volleyball circles. Which made Robyn's job, as the New Wahine Volleyball Program, much easier. It should have made recruiting much easier. Robyn should have been able to grow the Wahine Volleyball program, to getter heights. But it seems the Wahine Program is heading in the other direction, instead. The question now is, can Robyn keep the Wahine Program in the Top Tier of the BWC, or even make a Regional NCAA Tournament appearance on a more regular basis. As for Laura Beeman, she took over a Wahine Basketball program that was in disarray. Approximately 10 years removed from the time Vince Goo was the Wahine Basketball Head Coach. The Wahine Basketball Program going through 2 Head Coaches before Laura Beeman took over, as the Wahine Basketball Head Coach. Laura Beeman had the tough job of having to rebuild the Wahine Basketball Program from the ground up. To the point the Wahine Basketball Program is steadily in the Top Tier of the BWC, and making Post Conference appearances. So when it comes to Robyn Ah Mow and Laura Beeman, one seems to be heading her program in a downward, or no growth, trend. Whereas, the other is leading her program, to an upward trend, maybe even to greater heights that even the Highly Honored Vince Goo could not attain.
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Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 19:28:34 GMT -5
So much @$$%*!*! It will be a down right miracle if Laura Beeman’s team gets a first round win in the ncaa tournament or averages half the fans Robyn’s team does or even breaks even money wise.. LOL! You're missing HawaiiMongoose's point too! The point HawaiiMongoose was making is that Laura Beeman has elevated a program that doesn't have half the resources/fan base/history that UH Wahine Volleyball has. Can't say the same for Robyn...THAT"S A FACT. UH spends more on Beeman’s program and she has a much higher salary than Robyn as well, with like 1/4th the success of Robyn. You are a sad old clown stuck in the past, that is fact!
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 26, 2024 19:31:01 GMT -5
I’ll be going to opening game day.
Not much depth but I know this team will fight
Go bows!
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 19:36:11 GMT -5
LOL! You're missing HawaiiMongoose's point too! The point HawaiiMongoose was making is that Laura Beeman has elevated a program that doesn't have half the resources/fan base/history that UH Wahine Volleyball has. Can't say the same for Robyn...THAT"S A FACT. UH spends more on Beeman’s program and she has a much higher salary than Robyn as well, with like 1/4th the success of Robyn. You are a sad old clown stuck in the past, that is fact! You're as dense as a brick! The point is Beeman has elevated her program and Robyn has not. THAT'S A FACT.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 26, 2024 19:40:26 GMT -5
UH spends more on Beeman’s program and she has a much higher salary than Robyn as well, with like 1/4th the success of Robyn. You are a sad old clown stuck in the past, that is fact! You're as dense as a brick! The point is Beeman has elevated her program and Robyn has not. THAT'S A FACT. It’s not hard to elevate the basketball team. It’s like going from an F to a D. Maybe a C. Hard to maintain an A, cause it’s already so good She may have gone down to a b plus but it’s still better than beeman
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