|
Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 19:42:36 GMT -5
In terms of resources, Hawai'i WBB has consumed far more than WVB. Collegefactual.com data (scraped from reporting agencies, at least three years old) shows Hawaii WBB expending ~ $2.3 million/year, and DIV-1 WBB can offer fifteen scholarships. Hawai'i WVB reports expending ~ $1.4 million/year and can offer twelve scholarships. WBB has been a big money loser under Beeman. In comparison, most years WVB has made a small profit, under Ah Mow. WBB under Beeman has finished further behind in final RPI rank each year the past three years. Some of her better seasons came early on in her history, when she was getting cross over players from WVB. Kalei Adolpho and Megan Huff. WBB attendance went up recently, but many of those came because season ticket holders across multiple sports received free General Admission tickets as compensation for Covid cancellations, and many 'double-header' promotions with MBB. Bigger attendance numbers, but small sales. What I've come to appreciate about Beeman is she can sell. WBB is the money pit of women's athletics while returning little of note to the post-season trophy case. She's obviously plateaued with the program, yet she's convinced many WBB is worth a million each year in red ink. Go figure. WBB, and Laura Beeman, are playing in a tougher BWC, the WVB, and Robyn Ah Mow. Point of fact, the BWC gets more then one team playing in Post Conference Tournaments, in Women's Basketball, then the BWC has in Women's Volleyball, which is only one. Robyn Ah Mow, and the Wahine Volleyball Team, should be Dominating the BWC, not just getting by, barely able to win the Regular season, or even the BWC Tournament. The Wahine Volleyball Team should be the Top Dog in the Conference, no questions asked, but they are NOT. That is on Robyn Ah Mow. Laura Beeman, is getting the Wahine Basketball Team, to that point where they will be untouchable in the BWC. Not to mention, making an impact in the NCAA Tournament. Laura Beeman seems to have a plan, just do not know what Robyn Ah Mow's plan is, but to keep the Wahine Volleyball Program average, or even worse.
|
|
|
Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 19:42:43 GMT -5
You're as dense as a brick! The point is Beeman has elevated her program and Robyn has not. THAT'S A FACT. It’s not hard to elevate the basketball team. It’s like going from an F to a D. Maybe a C. Hard to maintain an A, cause it’s already so good She may have gone down to a b plus but it’s still better than beeman They don’t know %*$#. Goo had his team competitive in the ncaa tournament when they got in, they would sometimes even be ranked during some seasons. Beeman can’t even come close to that..The disrespect for Vince Goo in this thread by the same negative clowns is insane! Beeman is an upgrade over the previous coach who was a parks and rec office lady?
|
|
|
Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 19:44:18 GMT -5
In terms of resources, Hawai'i WBB has consumed far more than WVB. Collegefactual.com data (scraped from reporting agencies, at least three years old) shows Hawaii WBB expending ~ $2.3 million/year, and DIV-1 WBB can offer fifteen scholarships. Hawai'i WVB reports expending ~ $1.4 million/year and can offer twelve scholarships. WBB has been a big money loser under Beeman. In comparison, most years WVB has made a small profit, under Ah Mow. WBB under Beeman has finished further behind in final RPI rank each year the past three years. Some of her better seasons came early on in her history, when she was getting cross over players from WVB. Kalei Adolpho and Megan Huff. WBB attendance went up recently, but many of those came because season ticket holders across multiple sports received free General Admission tickets as compensation for Covid cancellations, and many 'double-header' promotions with MBB. Bigger attendance numbers, but small sales. What I've come to appreciate about Beeman is she can sell. WBB is the money pit of women's athletics while returning little of note to the post-season trophy case. She's obviously plateaued with the program, yet she's convinced many WBB is worth a million each year in red ink. Go figure. WBB, and Laura Beeman, are playing in a tougher BWC, the WVB, and Robyn Ah Mow. Point of fact, the BWC gets more then one team playing in Post Conference Tournaments, in Women's Basketball, then the BWC has in Women's Volleyball, which is only one. Robyn Ah Mow, and the Wahine Volleyball Team, should be Dominating the BWC, not just getting by, barely able to win the Regular season, or even the BWC Tournament. The Wahine Volleyball Team should be the Top Dog in the Conference, no questions asked, but they are NOT. That is on Robyn Ah Mow. Laura Beeman, is getting the Wahine Basketball Team, to that point where they will be untouchable in the BWC. Not to mention, making an impact in the NCAA Tournament. Laura Beeman seems to have a plan, just do not know what Robyn Ah Mow's plan is, but to keep the Wahine Volleyball Program average, or even worse. You can’t be serious with this %*$#? Big west in women’s basketball is one of the worst in the ncaa. This is why the knowledgeable wahine fans stay away from this thread , dimwitted clowns like this are all over it!
|
|
|
Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 19:47:54 GMT -5
It’s not hard to elevate the basketball team. It’s like going from an F to a D. Maybe a C. Hard to maintain an A, cause it’s already so good She may have gone down to a b plus but it’s still better than beeman They don’t know %*$#. Goo had his team competitive in the ncaa tournament when they got in, they would sometimes even be ranked during some seasons. Beeman can’t even come close to that..The disrespect for Vince Goo in this thread by the same negative clowns is insane! Laura Beeman is getting there, sooner, then later. She will get the Wahine Basketball program, to where it was under the Leadership of Vince Goo, if not, beyond it. Need to remember, Laura Beeman took over a program that was in basically total disarray. Had to start from scratch.
|
|
|
Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 26, 2024 19:52:40 GMT -5
They don’t know %*$#. Goo had his team competitive in the ncaa tournament when they got in, they would sometimes even be ranked during some seasons. Beeman can’t even come close to that..The disrespect for Vince Goo in this thread by the same negative clowns is insane! Laura Beeman is getting there, sooner, then later. She will get the Wahine Basketball program, to where it was under the Leadership of Vince Goo, if not, beyond it. Need to remember, Laura Beeman took over a program that was in basically total disarray. Had to start from scratch. Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. Let’s remember 2013. We returned everyone pretty much minus Jane and lost three big west matches His best season was 2015 which was marvelous, but besides that since 2012 he never made it past the second round. The game is different, teams like PITT, are the premiere teams now. That wasn’t the case back in the day . Power conference money is changing things. I’m far from a Robyn apologist. She needs to managed her emotions better and be better with the club coaches recruiting, but as a coach, by far no one even touches her in the big west His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs One suite 16 (2011 was a final four caliber team and I will and everyone else will die on that hill) And one elite right Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons Would of had IMO a final four season in 2019 if Jolie didn’t get injured And had made it past the first after that minus 2022 (which imo was our worst tournament appearance) Robyn is fine. Shut up
|
|
|
Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 19:55:10 GMT -5
WBB, and Laura Beeman, are playing in a tougher BWC, the WVB, and Robyn Ah Mow. Point of fact, the BWC gets more then one team playing in Post Conference Tournaments, in Women's Basketball, then the BWC has in Women's Volleyball, which is only one. Robyn Ah Mow, and the Wahine Volleyball Team, should be Dominating the BWC, not just getting by, barely able to win the Regular season, or even the BWC Tournament. The Wahine Volleyball Team should be the Top Dog in the Conference, no questions asked, but they are NOT. That is on Robyn Ah Mow. Laura Beeman, is getting the Wahine Basketball Team, to that point where they will be untouchable in the BWC. Not to mention, making an impact in the NCAA Tournament. Laura Beeman seems to have a plan, just do not know what Robyn Ah Mow's plan is, but to keep the Wahine Volleyball Program average, or even worse. You can’t be serious with this %*$#? Big west in women’s basketball is one of the worst in the ncaa. This is why the knowledgeable wahine fans stay away from this thread , dimwitted clowns like this are all over it! Then why is the BWC getting more then one team in Post Conference play, Women's Basketball, then the BWC is getting in Women's Volleyball, which is only one. Seems the NCAA believes BWC Women's Volleyball is a weaker conference, then the BWC, in Women's Basketball.
|
|
|
Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 19:56:06 GMT -5
It’s not hard to elevate the basketball team. It’s like going from an F to a D. Maybe a C. Hard to maintain an A, cause it’s already so good She may have gone down to a b plus but it’s still better than beeman They don’t know %*$#. Goo had his team competitive in the ncaa tournament when they got in, they would sometimes even be ranked during some seasons. Beeman can’t even come close to that..The disrespect for Vince Goo in this thread by the same negative clowns is insane! Beeman is an upgrade over the previous coach who was a parks and rec office lady? Do you not know how to f*@king read? Go back and read my comment about Vince Goo you numbskull. AGAIN, the point is that Beeman has ELEVATED the program since she took over and Robyn has the program in decline. FACT! Sorry if you can't handle the truth.
|
|
|
Post by VT Karen on Aug 26, 2024 19:58:40 GMT -5
Laura Beeman is getting there, sooner, then later. She will get the Wahine Basketball program, to where it was under the Leadership of Vince Goo, if not, beyond it. Need to remember, Laura Beeman took over a program that was in basically total disarray. Had to start from scratch. Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. Let’s remember 2013. We returned everyone pretty much minus Jane and lost three big west matches His best season was 2015 which was marvelous, but besides that since 2012 he never made it past the second round. The game is different, teams like PITT, are the premiere teams now. That wasn’t the case back in the day . Power conference money is changing things. I’m far from a Robyn apologist. She needs to managed her emotions better and be better with the club coaches recruiting, but as a coach, by far no one even touches her in the big west His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs One suite 16 (2011 was a final four caliber team and I will and everyone else will die on that hill) And one elite right Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons Would of had IMO a final four season in 2019 if Jolie didn’t get injured And had made it past the first after that minus 2022 (which imo was our worst tournament appearance) Robyn is fine. Shut up Co-signed. All of it.
|
|
|
Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 20:03:23 GMT -5
Laura Beeman is getting there, sooner, then later. She will get the Wahine Basketball program, to where it was under the Leadership of Vince Goo, if not, beyond it. Need to remember, Laura Beeman took over a program that was in basically total disarray. Had to start from scratch. Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. Let’s remember 2013. We returned everyone pretty much minus Jane and lost three big west matches His best season was 2015 which was marvelous, but besides that since 2012 he never made it past the second round. The game is different, teams like PITT, are the premiere teams now. That wasn’t the case back in the day . Power conference money is changing things. I’m far from a Robyn apologist. She needs to managed her emotions better and be better with the club coaches recruiting, but as a coach, by far no one even touches her in the big west His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs One suite 16 (2011 was a final four caliber team and I will and everyone else will die on that hill) And one elite right Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons Would of had IMO a final four season in 2019 if Jolie didn’t get injured And had made it past the first after that minus 2022 (which imo was our worst tournament appearance) Robyn is fine. Shut up So would Dave Shoji, if Nikki Taylor did not get hurt. That was a Final Four Team, with Nikki Taylor playing. So you could say, it is a wash.
|
|
|
Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 20:08:56 GMT -5
Laura Beeman is getting there, sooner, then later. She will get the Wahine Basketball program, to where it was under the Leadership of Vince Goo, if not, beyond it. Need to remember, Laura Beeman took over a program that was in basically total disarray. Had to start from scratch. Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons "Easier to get better than to maintain" - Robyn hasn't even maintained THAT'S THE POINT!!! The program is going downhill and and she can't even get any meaningful transfers in the off-season. A 13 player roster? Someone's not doing their job! "Dave Shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career." & "His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs" - His team were nationally ranked even in the twilight of his career and in Dave's last 8 years Dave's teams went to the Final Four (2009), made the Regional Semifinal (2011), made the Regional Final (2015) and got bounced in the 2nd round 5 times. In Robyn's last 7 years we've been ranked once and GOT BOUNCED IN THE 1ST ROUND 4 OF THE 6 TIMES SHE MADE IT TO THE TOURNAMENT! And you call that "maintaining"? Get a grip... Regarding Dave leaving the cupboard bare, It's been all Robyns recruits the last few years so you can't blame Dave for "leaving the cupboard bare" anymore for Robyn's inablity to get our team ranked and past the 1st round...
|
|
|
Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 26, 2024 20:09:35 GMT -5
Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. Let’s remember 2013. We returned everyone pretty much minus Jane and lost three big west matches His best season was 2015 which was marvelous, but besides that since 2012 he never made it past the second round. The game is different, teams like PITT, are the premiere teams now. That wasn’t the case back in the day . Power conference money is changing things. I’m far from a Robyn apologist. She needs to managed her emotions better and be better with the club coaches recruiting, but as a coach, by far no one even touches her in the big west His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs One suite 16 (2011 was a final four caliber team and I will and everyone else will die on that hill) And one elite right Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons Would of had IMO a final four season in 2019 if Jolie didn’t get injured And had made it past the first after that minus 2022 (which imo was our worst tournament appearance) Robyn is fine. Shut up So would Dave Shoji, if Nikki Taylor did not get hurt. That was a Final Four Team, with Nikki Taylor playing. So you could say, it is a wash. That 2016 team maybe would have gotten to the elite right MAYBE, but I still think Minnesota would of beaten them
|
|
|
Post by koavball on Aug 26, 2024 20:09:58 GMT -5
They don’t know %*$#. Goo had his team competitive in the ncaa tournament when they got in, they would sometimes even be ranked during some seasons. Beeman can’t even come close to that..The disrespect for Vince Goo in this thread by the same negative clowns is insane! Beeman is an upgrade over the previous coach who was a parks and rec office lady? Do you not know how to f*@king read? Go back and read my comment about Vince Goo you numbskull. AGAIN, the point is that Beeman has ELEVATED the program since she took over and Robyn has the program in decline. FACT! Sorry if you can't handle the truth. Nothing you have posted is “fact”. Especially the bs about Beeman having “lower resources” than Robyn. Wahine volleyball in Shoji’s last years was already in decline and the NIL/portal era since covid is definitely effecting all non p4 teams in volleyball even more (even teams like ucla are struggling to keep up) you OLD !!!!###$$$!!!ing dimwit. Robyn is still managing to have her team be competitive in the ncaa tournament and her team makes money! Beeman has been on the job 5-6 years longer with more resources and salary and can’t even come close to that.
|
|
|
Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 26, 2024 20:11:08 GMT -5
Again easier to get better than to maintain. Dave shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career. His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs Robyn dealt with the cubbord bare her first two seasons "Easier to get better than to maintain" - Robyn hasn't even maintained THAT'S THE POINT!!! The program is going downhill and and she can't even get any meaningful transfers in the off-season. A 13 player roster? Someone's not doing their job! "Dave Shoji was getting ousted in the second round towards the end of his career." & "His final 7 seasons were 5 second round drop outs" - His team were nationally ranked even in the twilight of his career and in Dave's last 8 years Dave's teams went to the Final Four (2009), made the Regional Semifinal (2011), made the Regional Final (2015) and got bounced in the 2nd round 5 times. In Robyn's last 7 years we've been ranked once and GOT BOUNCED IN THE 1ST ROUND 4 OF THE 6 TIMES SHE MADE IT TO THE TOURNAMENT! And you call that "maintaining"? Get a grip... 3/6 numb nut 2017-2018 first round 2019 suite 16 2021 second round 2022 First 2023 second The game has also changed numb nut USC, ucla, etc are not what they used to be either..
|
|
|
Post by wahinefan on Aug 26, 2024 20:14:39 GMT -5
The one player, on this Wahine Team, that I feel sorry for is Kate Lang. You would think Robyn Ah Mow would surround Kate Lang with players that would make her shine. But instead, Robyn has surrounded Kate Lang with players, that would cause Kate to need track shoes, instead of volleyball shoes, to track down erratic and errant passes.
|
|
|
Post by hapaguy on Aug 26, 2024 20:29:43 GMT -5
Do you not know how to f*@king read? Go back and read my comment about Vince Goo you numbskull. AGAIN, the point is that Beeman has ELEVATED the program since she took over and Robyn has the program in decline. FACT! Sorry if you can't handle the truth. Nothing you have posted is “fact”. Especially the bs about Beeman having “lower resources” than Robyn. Wahine volleyball in Shoji’s last years was already in decline and the NIL/portal era since covid is definitely effecting all non p4 teams in volleyball even more (even teams like ucla are struggling to keep up) you OLD !!!!###$$$!!!ing dimwit. Robyn is still managing to have her team be competitive in the ncaa tournament and her team makes money! Beeman has been on the job 5-6 years longer with more resources and salary and can’t even come close to that. LOL people revere you on here but you are so dumb! When Beeman took over the UH Wahine Basketball program it hadn't been to the postseason in over 9 years! Since Beeman took over she's taken her team to the postseason 8 of her 12 years and to the NCAA tournament 3 times! BEEMAN HAS ELEVATED HER TEAM SINCE SHE TOOK OVER - THOSE ARE FACTS! And what has Robyn done since she took over? We were perenially nationally ranked - every year except the injury plagued year of 1992 and since Robyn took over we've been ranked what? ONCE?! Again, NOT ELEVATING THE PROGRAM BUT A DECLINE OF THE PROGRAM. In all the years that Dave has made it to the tournament they were only bounced 2 TIMES in the 1st Round (84 & 97). Robyn has been bounced in the 1st Round 3 of the 6 times she's made it to the tournament! Hardly a "maintaining" or "elevating" of the program in FACT its a DECLINE. And now she only has a 13 player roster? She couldn't even recruit a single transfer player of note during the offseason! Total fail...
|
|