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Post by kamikaze49 on Sept 12, 2024 19:31:54 GMT -5
Yeah I was thinking about that as well, we should bring in a few quality transfers that can help us next year. Could well be, as Biondi is a MB too, and Purser seems fairly mobile & athletic. At 6’-3”, she reportedly has a standing reach of 8’. Add an average vertical jump and she’s likely at or over 10’-0”. As a jr., she’s also apt to grow and add to her vertical with training. Great potential. Probably makes better sense to try and reach 15 scholarship players: 4 MBs, 3 Opps & 3 OHs, 3 S, 2 Libs/DSs. Too many players affects training & reputations. You can have additional walk-on DSs. |
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Post by Timeless on Sept 12, 2024 19:33:38 GMT -5
lol being 6'1 and touching over 10 ft for a 26 recruit where they are naturally going to develop is very good. it's not like she's was Demirtas' height 6'8 or w/e and touched barely 10ft.
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Post by thor on Sept 12, 2024 19:35:28 GMT -5
UH volleyball has a huge fan base and an active alumni association. I can't see how 6 additional scholarships and 1 additional assistant coach can't be covered by donations and fundraising.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Sept 12, 2024 19:50:33 GMT -5
I can't find it, but UH AD already said that they would have the funds whatever the NCAA new rules allow. Below is a list of expenditures for D1. UH is #70. sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances |
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Post by brooselee on Sept 12, 2024 19:52:36 GMT -5
UH volleyball has a huge fan base and an active alumni association. I can't see how 6 additional scholarships and 1 additional assistant coach can't be covered by donations and fundraising. Sure UH have a large fan base and generous donors but I don’t think these donors are millionaire or super rich folks. 6 additional scholarships is a lot of money. That is at least $100,000 additional money they need to find. Money is needed for the operation of the program and to fund other important part of making this program a success. Having a large roster of scholarship players does not equal success. |
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Post by goblin on Sept 12, 2024 19:54:52 GMT -5
Just announced by UH AD that 4 football programs are leaving the MWC for the PAC 2 in 2 years. Hopefully our football program and the remainder of the MWC will land on their
feet and survive. I do hate when this happens. I only mention this because football is the feeder program that financially supports our other athletic programs.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Sept 12, 2024 20:00:45 GMT -5
Just announced by UH AD that 4 football programs are leaving the MWC for the PAC 2 in 2 years. Hopefully our football program and the remainder of the MWC will land on their feet and survive. I do hate when this happens. I only mention this because football is the feeder program that financially supports our other athletic programs. Some BYU pundits on a fan board want Hawai'i to be in the Big 12. Entertaining thought. www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=33703730#:~:text=The%20Big%2012%20approaches%20Hawaii,rights%20for%20all%20those%20games. |
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Post by 808empath on Sept 12, 2024 20:09:08 GMT -5
I can't find it, but UH AD already said that they would have the funds whatever the NCAA new rules allow. Below is a list of expenditures for D1. UH is #70. sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/financesI found this in the 18 scholarship thread in the men's side. HawaiiMongoose posted it. Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. There was an article about this in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on July 30th and right now the plan for Hawaii is to opt in, with the intent of increasing the scholarship count to the House limit in all of the sports that make money. That includes men's volleyball: UH’s football, men’s basketball, women’s and men’s volleyball, and baseball programs are considered profitable sports when factoring all revenue streams. With a full ride valued at about $40,000, UH would be able to cover the additional 62.8 scholarships for those sports.Charlie Wade has already started preparing for the 18-player roster limit. It's the reason a couple of UH players were cut loose from the team during the 2024 season. At the time there was confusion as to why the players were let go but he explains in the article that it was in anticipation of opting in to the House settlement: UH men’s volleyball coach Charlie Wade anticipated the NCAA moving toward a hard roster limit. Through the 2023 season, the Warriors’ roster averaged 20 players, with as many as 24. Last year, Wade reduced the roster to 18 — the proposed limit for the 2025 season.
“There are schools with way more than that (this coming season),” Wade said. “I’ve got guys calling me all summer saying, ‘Hey, I want to transfer (to UH).’”
But with the expected roster reduction and the talented incoming recruiting class, Wade told them: “I’m not loading up my roster if I’m going to have to cut you (in a year).” Wade added: “And they never heard of this. I said, it’s coming, and it’s coming quicker than you would think, and as early as this summer. And here we are.”
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For a sport like men’s volleyball, Wade said the proposed 18-player limit would deprive opportunities to some developing players.
“Eighteen is a whole different world for the teams that always loaded up with 20 something,” Wade said. “And part of their success is sheer numbers. The old adage ‘nobody ever beats you from your bench,’ where you can just stockpile guys because you’ve got the logo people like, how many of those guys — 19 through 24 — will never walk into your gym? It’s just not going to happen. It’ll be interesting.”
www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/ [article is behind a paywall] |
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Post by goblin on Sept 12, 2024 20:31:01 GMT -5
UH volleyball has a huge fan base and an active alumni association. I can't see how 6 additional scholarships and 1 additional assistant coach can't be covered by donations and fundraising. Sure UH have a large fan base and generous donors but I don’t think these donors are millionaire or super rich folks. 6 additional scholarships is a lot of money. That is at least $100,000 additional money they need to find. Money is needed for the operation of the program and to fund other important part of making this program a success. Having a large roster of scholarship players does not equal success. I came up with $137K for 6 scholarships based on today's resident tuition rates. Each year, our school here in Hawaii raises over $500K to cover scholarships for the economically disadvantaged and equipment purchases during a span of 6 weeks. We've done this for several years now with a small subgroup of donors. So your cost argument is bogus, it can easily be done. As for your other argument, I'd rather have the luxury of picking up quality transfers out of the portal (like a RS who can play D) or extending an offer to a diamond in the rough like Igeide who went largely unrecruited by big schools then not having the scholarships available to make our team better and more competitive.
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2024 20:33:27 GMT -5
I can't find it, but UH AD already said that they would have the funds whatever the NCAA new rules allow. No UH Manoa plan has been drafted and approved for Athletic Department funding for a post House Settlement landscape. That settlement hasn't even been finalized. I've found no public statement committing the University or State to any level of unspecified plus-ups. Bottom line: UH Manoa doesn't have an approved and funded plan, and the Athletic Department hasn't announced a University or State open-ended funding commitment to any of the Athletic Depart portfolio of programs. Here are applicable stories and links — none announcing an approved UH Manoa commitment to a plan or funding: www.khon2.com/sports/craig-angelos-reflects-on-first-year-as-uh-manoa-ad/ June 2024 — Angelos: “I was around other Mountain West and Big West athletic directors recently as well as Lead 1, which features athletic directors from the 133 (FBS) schools. There’s a comfort level of being around those in the same boat as you, because you’re speaking the same language and facing the same challenges. There’s real strength that comes through that. There’s also anxiety because it’s just a shifting landscape. The ($2.8 billion House v. NCAA settlement), we’re all getting hit, all the schools and conferences are getting hit. The Power Four schools are going to see a requirement of distributing 22% of their revenues with their players. In our league, the Mountain West, it’s not required, it’s more permissive legislation. The Power Four leagues, it’s required, though. Between the House settlement, losing out on revenues, the revenue share program, going away from scholarship limits as part of the settlements and going towards roster limits. You’re seeing the Power Four, and even the Power Two between the Big Ten and the SEC launching out even further than the ACC and Big 12, you’re seeing a huge, huge divide. It’s getting there, but it’s getting more wide. Everyone’s trying to look at, ‘Where’s our program? Where are we? Where do we want to go?’ What do we want our program to look like at the University of Hawaii? What do the people want it to be? It’s not my program, it’s the people’s program of Hawaii. We’re kind of at a crossroads where there’s more and more separation, conference realignment that’s still out there. We’ve got House settlement, we’ve got the NIL collectives, transfer portal and all that, it needs to be funded the right way. There’s a lot of discussion. I always stress that in the midst of this chaos, more so than in my 30 years of being in college athletics, the game is still the same. The team element, the student-athlete experience is still the same. Even when I played, once the team is brought together, it’s about going to practice, playing the game, travel, camaraderie, overcoming challenges, achieving triumph. Those elements are still there. It’s just that the teams are changing every year. The coaches and players can leave after a year. Once that gets cleared up, we start back up in the middle of the summer and start that climb. At the end of the season, it blows back up again and we start that climb. The game is still the same. It’s a great experience for the fans, great experience for the student-athletes. But there’s a lot of chaos in between. ------------ www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/July 2024 - Tsai opinion piece. He speculates that UH Manoa could cover additional scholarships, but it's his opinion and quotes no one from the Athletic Department, the University, or the State as committing to a plan and budget. Coaches Wade and Hill shared their opinions with Tsai on how they might be impacted and would adjust, and Wade offered he is taking the possibility of roster caps and additional scholarships into his planning. But no where in the opinion piece is their reference to a UH Manoa plan and funding commitment. ---------- www.khon2.com/sports/uh-ad-issues-statement/Sept. 12, 2024 - UH AD statement on MWC and PAC news and UH Manoa commitment to football and a new stadium. IMO, an attempt to calm down the doom and gloom talk before it can snowball. Angelos — "With every great challenge comes great opportunity. I want to assure everyone that the University of Hawai‘i is committed to having a strong and thriving football program and will continue to position ourselves to become the best that we can be. We will work tirelessly to enhance our football program, including building a new football stadium, upgrading our practice facilities, strengthening our fundraising efforts, and improving our operating budget for recruiting, nutrition and other needed areas. There is a very proud history at UH and every day, we honor it and work to build upon its legacy. While we can’t control everything, we will continue to strive toward being a program that our entire state can be proud of. We will prevail!" |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Sept 12, 2024 20:48:55 GMT -5
I can't find it, but UH AD already said that they would have the funds whatever the NCAA new rules allow. No UH Manoa plan has been drafted and approved for Athletic Department funding for a post House Settlement landscape. That settlement hasn't even been finalized. I've found no public statement committing the University or State to any level of unspecified plus-ups. Bottom line: UH Manoa doesn't have an approved and funded plan, and the Athletic Department hasn't announced a University or State open-ended funding commitment to any of the Athletic Depart portfolio of programs. Here are applicable stories and links — none announcing an approved UH Manoa commitment to a plan or funding: www.khon2.com/sports/craig-angelos-reflects-on-first-year-as-uh-manoa-ad/ June 2024 — Angelos: “I was around other Mountain West and Big West athletic directors recently as well as Lead 1, which features athletic directors from the 133 (FBS) schools. There’s a comfort level of being around those in the same boat as you, because you’re speaking the same language and facing the same challenges. There’s real strength that comes through that. There’s also anxiety because it’s just a shifting landscape. The ($2.8 billion House v. NCAA settlement), we’re all getting hit, all the schools and conferences are getting hit. The Power Four schools are going to see a requirement of distributing 22% of their revenues with their players. In our league, the Mountain West, it’s not required, it’s more permissive legislation. The Power Four leagues, it’s required, though. Between the House settlement, losing out on revenues, the revenue share program, going away from scholarship limits as part of the settlements and going towards roster limits. You’re seeing the Power Four, and even the Power Two between the Big Ten and the SEC launching out even further than the ACC and Big 12, you’re seeing a huge, huge divide. It’s getting there, but it’s getting more wide. Everyone’s trying to look at, ‘Where’s our program? Where are we? Where do we want to go?’ What do we want our program to look like at the University of Hawaii? What do the people want it to be? It’s not my program, it’s the people’s program of Hawaii. We’re kind of at a crossroads where there’s more and more separation, conference realignment that’s still out there. We’ve got House settlement, we’ve got the NIL collectives, transfer portal and all that, it needs to be funded the right way. There’s a lot of discussion. I always stress that in the midst of this chaos, more so than in my 30 years of being in college athletics, the game is still the same. The team element, the student-athlete experience is still the same. Even when I played, once the team is brought together, it’s about going to practice, playing the game, travel, camaraderie, overcoming challenges, achieving triumph. Those elements are still there. It’s just that the teams are changing every year. The coaches and players can leave after a year. Once that gets cleared up, we start back up in the middle of the summer and start that climb. At the end of the season, it blows back up again and we start that climb. The game is still the same. It’s a great experience for the fans, great experience for the student-athletes. But there’s a lot of chaos in between. ------------ www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/July 2024 - Tsai opinion piece. He speculates that UH Manoa could cover additional scholarships, but it's his opinion and quotes no one from the Athletic Department, the University, or the State as committing to a plan and budget. Coaches Wade and Hill shared their opinions with Tsai on how they might be impacted and would adjust, and Wade offered he is taking the possibility of roster caps and additional scholarships into his planning. But no where in the opinion piece is their reference to a UH Manoa plan and funding commitment. ---------- www.khon2.com/sports/uh-ad-issues-statement/Sept. 12, 2024 - UH AD statement on MWC and PAC news and UH Manoa commitment to football and a new stadium. IMO, an attempt to calm down the doom and gloom talk before it can snowball. Angelos — "With every great challenge comes great opportunity. I want to assure everyone that the University of Hawai‘i is committed to having a strong and thriving football program and will continue to position ourselves to become the best that we can be. We will work tirelessly to enhance our football program, including building a new football stadium, upgrading our practice facilities, strengthening our fundraising efforts, and improving our operating budget for recruiting, nutrition and other needed areas. There is a very proud history at UH and every day, we honor it and work to build upon its legacy. While we can’t control everything, we will continue to strive toward being a program that our entire state can be proud of. We will prevail!" Ī'm speaking of the volleyball programs. Both sides said they will oblige by the NCAA rules. So, if they only can have up to 18 on the roster, all of them have to be on scholarships. The problem will be that there will be no walk-ons anymore. See below. www.ncsasports.org/blog/ncaa-scholarship-roster-limits-2024I guess we will have to wait and see when this becomes reality. There are other pockets of funding to get to the goal if the programs wanted. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2024 21:02:14 GMT -5
No UH Manoa plan has been drafted and approved for Athletic Department funding for a post House Settlement landscape. That settlement hasn't even been finalized. I've found no public statement committing the University or State to any level of unspecified plus-ups. Bottom line: UH Manoa doesn't have an approved and funded plan, and the Athletic Department hasn't announced a University or State open-ended funding commitment to any of the Athletic Depart portfolio of programs. Here are applicable stories and links — none announcing an approved UH Manoa commitment to a plan or funding: www.khon2.com/sports/craig-angelos-reflects-on-first-year-as-uh-manoa-ad/ June 2024 — Angelos: “I was around other Mountain West and Big West athletic directors recently as well as Lead 1, which features athletic directors from the 133 (FBS) schools. There’s a comfort level of being around those in the same boat as you, because you’re speaking the same language and facing the same challenges. There’s real strength that comes through that. There’s also anxiety because it’s just a shifting landscape. The ($2.8 billion House v. NCAA settlement), we’re all getting hit, all the schools and conferences are getting hit. The Power Four schools are going to see a requirement of distributing 22% of their revenues with their players. In our league, the Mountain West, it’s not required, it’s more permissive legislation. The Power Four leagues, it’s required, though. Between the House settlement, losing out on revenues, the revenue share program, going away from scholarship limits as part of the settlements and going towards roster limits. You’re seeing the Power Four, and even the Power Two between the Big Ten and the SEC launching out even further than the ACC and Big 12, you’re seeing a huge, huge divide. It’s getting there, but it’s getting more wide. Everyone’s trying to look at, ‘Where’s our program? Where are we? Where do we want to go?’ What do we want our program to look like at the University of Hawaii? What do the people want it to be? It’s not my program, it’s the people’s program of Hawaii. We’re kind of at a crossroads where there’s more and more separation, conference realignment that’s still out there. We’ve got House settlement, we’ve got the NIL collectives, transfer portal and all that, it needs to be funded the right way. There’s a lot of discussion. I always stress that in the midst of this chaos, more so than in my 30 years of being in college athletics, the game is still the same. The team element, the student-athlete experience is still the same. Even when I played, once the team is brought together, it’s about going to practice, playing the game, travel, camaraderie, overcoming challenges, achieving triumph. Those elements are still there. It’s just that the teams are changing every year. The coaches and players can leave after a year. Once that gets cleared up, we start back up in the middle of the summer and start that climb. At the end of the season, it blows back up again and we start that climb. The game is still the same. It’s a great experience for the fans, great experience for the student-athletes. But there’s a lot of chaos in between. ------------ www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/July 2024 - Tsai opinion piece. He speculates that UH Manoa could cover additional scholarships, but it's his opinion and quotes no one from the Athletic Department, the University, or the State as committing to a plan and budget. Coaches Wade and Hill shared their opinions with Tsai on how they might be impacted and would adjust, and Wade offered he is taking the possibility of roster caps and additional scholarships into his planning. But no where in the opinion piece is their reference to a UH Manoa plan and funding commitment. ---------- www.khon2.com/sports/uh-ad-issues-statement/Sept. 12, 2024 - UH AD statement on MWC and PAC news and UH Manoa commitment to football and a new stadium. IMO, an attempt to calm down the doom and gloom talk before it can snowball. Angelos — "With every great challenge comes great opportunity. I want to assure everyone that the University of Hawai‘i is committed to having a strong and thriving football program and will continue to position ourselves to become the best that we can be. We will work tirelessly to enhance our football program, including building a new football stadium, upgrading our practice facilities, strengthening our fundraising efforts, and improving our operating budget for recruiting, nutrition and other needed areas. There is a very proud history at UH and every day, we honor it and work to build upon its legacy. While we can’t control everything, we will continue to strive toward being a program that our entire state can be proud of. We will prevail!" Ī'm speaking of the volleyball programs. Both sides said they will oblige by the NCAA rules. So, if they only can have up to 18 on the roster, all of them have to be on scholarships. The problem will be that there will be no walk-ons anymore. The House Settlement under review doesn't require the non-P4 to elect roster caps and the addition of scholarships up to the cap. If non-P4 elect to have roster caps, then they can add scholarships. It's generally thought that non-P4 will have the option to tier their programs and implement roster caps and additional scholarships for just their revenue programs, with revenue sharing for those programs. But the House Settlement isn't yet finalized, so what the final version of will/won't allow isn't yet known. So WRT UH Manoa revenue programs, it is all speculation what the Athletic Department will eventually propose and attempt to fund with the approval and support of the University and the State. |
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Post by goblin on Sept 12, 2024 21:24:20 GMT -5
Sounds like these NCAA rules don't happen until 2025-2026 so there's a one year reprieve before they kick in. With the cap at 18 for both mens and womens programs it will be interesting to see how the new rules affect the recruiting landscape.
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2024 21:49:10 GMT -5
Sounds like these NCAA rules don't happen until 2025-2026 so there's a one year reprieve before they kick in. With the cap at 18 for both mens and womens programs it will be interesting to see how the new rules affect the recruiting landscape.
Under the current House Settlement not yet finalized, for non-P4, they can elect out of roster caps and the funding of additional scholarships. So, a better question is what will the NCAA rules be after if the House settlement is finalized (there's a chance it could still go to trial). Another better question is what will the non-P4 conferences do in response across their whole portfolio of programs. Would they allow a different implementation election for each school in the conference, and for each program in the conference? Or will there be some attempt to ensure some sort of uniformity within the conference and within each sponsored sport? Don't make the assumption UH Manoa has the answers at this point, or that any BWC/MWC school is further out ahead of this than UH Manoa. As for the PAC expansion announced yesterday, it potentially upsets any planning UH Manoa had. If Hawaii doesn't have a football program future that can project positive revenue streams, it will impact every Hawaii athletic program. Not in a good way. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Sept 12, 2024 21:54:02 GMT -5
Sounds like these NCAA rules don't happen until 2025-2026 so there's a one year reprieve before they kick in. With the cap at 18 for both mens and womens programs it will be interesting to see how the new rules affect the recruiting landscape.
I think the men's team will be a new thing because they will have an expansion of 13.5 full scholarships to give instead of 4.5 scholies to be broken up into halves. On the women's side, the smalls will be on full ride since for now, when it is adopted, the walk-on players are not a thing. |
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