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Post by gogophers on Dec 10, 2023 15:56:22 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too.
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Post by exit237a on Dec 10, 2023 16:01:45 GMT -5
No way I've seen enough of these players this season for me to make any meaningful call between any of them : )
Have the people voting seen them play that much or more so looking at stats?
Good question! I've kinda wondered that, too. At least we know that a lot of our VTers watch a lot of volleyball; in that sense, I put a lot of stock into what folks here are saying about NPOY, with the obvious grains of salt we take with our homers and their biases.
EDIT: I took your question to mean whether the folks doing the official voting have seen them play or go off of stats primarily (AVCA or whoever it is making the actual call).
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Post by hookem24 on Dec 10, 2023 16:05:01 GMT -5
i don’t know if this is a hot take but i genuinely think it’s madi skinner. making it to the final 4 just gives her an actual chance to win this award, but even if we weren’t in this spot i actually think she is the best player in the country. insane to watch i believe the npoy is actually decided (voted on) before the final four matches are played (so not depending on texas plays in the final four)...i think she has a good chance yes — what i meant by that is that the winner usually comes from a final 4 team, since they vote after the elite 8. if we didn’t make it to the final 4 i don’t think she wins NPOY, but now that we’ve made it (no matter how we play against wisconsin) i believe she’s the front runner.
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Post by volleystan on Dec 10, 2023 16:05:06 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. She was great but I don’t think people would consider Stanford one of the best blocking teams in the country.
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Post by hookem24 on Dec 10, 2023 16:06:39 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. check out @/volley.dork on instagram — he has a post showing their in system/OOS efficiencies! it’s from nov 28
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 10, 2023 16:08:51 GMT -5
As a Wisconsin fan, I think it has to be Skinner. And I don't think it was that way before the tournament. But Skinner carried UT to the Final Four, and we all know postseason performance plays a huge part in the AVCA national awards. Heck, the post-season run may have boosted O'Neal from a 3rd team AA to a 1st team AA while we're at it. if you didn't think Asjia was 1st team AA anyway... leading the nation in blocks/set + name recognition will do it lol that's fair
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 10, 2023 16:09:36 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. Stanford doesn’t rank among the top 10 teams in terms of blocks per set. Their middles account for the vast majority of the blocking they do have, and Baird and Rubin had about 60 blocks each, about half of Kipp’s total (110).
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 10, 2023 16:21:54 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. Stanford doesn’t rank among the top 10 teams in terms of blocks per set. Their middles account for the vast majority of the blocking they do have, and Baird and Rubin had about 60 blocks each, about half of Kipp’s total (110). Stanford is #17 in BPS in the country and like #5 or 6 among P5 teams. Kipp is a ridiculous pin blocker and potentially accounts for a lot of their value just on her own, but Baird and Rubin are above average for their positions too. I don't think you can say Stanford wasn't a tough block to play against, esp. because Stanford's block weaknesses come from middles being slow to read and close, and a high number of Skinner's kills came OOS where that wouldn't be a factor. Also, Stanford plays a lot of short rallies with how efficient their offense is (and how terminal their serves are). It's not far-fetched at all to say it's one of the best blocks in the country.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 10, 2023 16:26:10 GMT -5
why is beason on this list I'm crying Because she's the best player on the best* team. The problem is that she's not even a guaranteed 1st team AA - I'd say if Nebraska had gone out in the Elite Eight she wouldn't be. The fact that her hitting percentage is lower than two OH's that we're comparing her to says she's not really in the conversation. *as judged by performance so far.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 10, 2023 16:28:51 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. skinner is hitting over .300 in transition on the year and well over .400 in the tournament. Sarah is around .284 on the year, and .291 in the tournament, but the game against Oregon for them hasn’t been coded yet
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 10, 2023 16:29:08 GMT -5
Stanford doesn’t rank among the top 10 teams in terms of blocks per set. Their middles account for the vast majority of the blocking they do have, and Baird and Rubin had about 60 blocks each, about half of Kipp’s total (110). I don't think you can say Stanford wasn't a tough block to play against, esp. because Stanford's block weaknesses come from middles being slow to read and close, and a high number of Skinner's kills came OOS where that wouldn't be a factor.Don't underestimate Francis lol (jk jk)
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 10, 2023 16:30:49 GMT -5
why is beason on this list I'm crying Because she's the best player on the best* team. The problem is that she's not even a guaranteed 1st team AA - I'd say if Nebraska had gone out in the Elite Eight she wouldn't be. The fact that her hitting percentage is lower than two OH's that we're comparing her to says she's not really in the conversation. *as judged by performance so far. Beason is absolutely guaranteed getting 1st team AA She's also not getting POY.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 10, 2023 16:59:11 GMT -5
Stanford doesn’t rank among the top 10 teams in terms of blocks per set. Their middles account for the vast majority of the blocking they do have, and Baird and Rubin had about 60 blocks each, about half of Kipp’s total (110). Stanford is #17 in BPS in the country and like #5 or 6 among P5 teams. Kipp is a ridiculous pin blocker and potentially accounts for a lot of their value just on her own, but Baird and Rubin are above average for their positions too. I don't think you can say Stanford wasn't a tough block to play against, esp. because Stanford's block weaknesses come from middles being slow to read and close, and a high number of Skinner's kills came OOS where that wouldn't be a factor. Also, Stanford plays a lot of short rallies with how efficient their offense is (and how terminal their serves are). It's not far-fetched at all to say it's one of the best blocks in the country. I think Stanford’s bps is 2.6, with the top 10 being in the 2.8/9 range, which isn’t a huge margin (I didn’t look beyond the top 10 because that was what was immediately available on the NCAA site). It would be interesting to see a match by match breakdown for blocks. The hitting percentage stats show that they feast against moderate to poor teams (quite a few over .400), and are not bad but not great against the better teams (.250 - .275 range). None of that is particularly surprising. But the eye test, to me, says the biggest issue is being motivated, aggressive and focused.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 10, 2023 17:08:59 GMT -5
Stanford is #17 in BPS in the country and like #5 or 6 among P5 teams. Kipp is a ridiculous pin blocker and potentially accounts for a lot of their value just on her own, but Baird and Rubin are above average for their positions too. I don't think you can say Stanford wasn't a tough block to play against, esp. because Stanford's block weaknesses come from middles being slow to read and close, and a high number of Skinner's kills came OOS where that wouldn't be a factor. Also, Stanford plays a lot of short rallies with how efficient their offense is (and how terminal their serves are). It's not far-fetched at all to say it's one of the best blocks in the country. I think Stanford’s bps is 2.6, with the top 10 being in the 2.8/9 range, which isn’t a huge margin (I didn’t look beyond the top 10 because that was what was immediately available on the NCAA site). It would be interesting to see a match by match breakdown for blocks. The hitting percentage stats show that they feast against moderate to poor teams (quite a few over .400), and are not bad but not great against the better teams (.250 - .275 range). None of that is particularly surprising. But the eye test, to me, says the biggest issue is being motivated, aggressive and focused. www.ncaa.com/stats/volleyball-women/d1/current/team/49Stanford is closer than you think. I also know they block a higher % of opponent attacks than #9 Oregon.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 10, 2023 17:09:20 GMT -5
Anyway, who was the actual best player in the country? We know it was Jordan Thompson in 2019. I think oneal, miner, and Scott are the best 3 overall players, id probably say oneal is the best but that makes sense as she's 4 years older than miner and Scott lol I think Rodriguez, booth, Franklin, skinner, and rubin are in the next tier. Rubins elite passing and backcourt play even out the offensive edge the other two have imo
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