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Post by jwvolley on Dec 10, 2023 17:16:46 GMT -5
Anyway, who was the actual best player in the country? We know it was Jordan Thompson in 2019. I think oneal, miner, and Scott are the best 3 overall players, id probably say oneal is the best but that makes sense as she's 4 years older than miner and Scott lol I think Rodriguez, booth, Franklin, skinner, and rubin are in the next tier. Rubins elite passing and backcourt play even out the offensive edge the other two have imo Pukis > Miner
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 10, 2023 17:16:56 GMT -5
Have the people voting seen them play that much or more so looking at stats? Good question! I've kinda wondered that, too. At least we know that a lot of our VTers watch a lot of volleyball; in that sense, I put a lot of stock into what folks here are saying about NPOY, with the obvious grains of salt we take with our homers an their biases. EDIT: I took your question to mean whether the folks doing the official voting have seen them play or go off of stats primarily (AVCA or whoever it is making the actual call).
You are correct that is what I meant. My bet is some of the people here on VT have seen them play more and would be better than whoever is doing the official voting.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 10, 2023 17:17:06 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. You have to pick Franklin. She almost had a career ending injury and even so required three months of rehab to come back better than she was.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 10, 2023 17:26:05 GMT -5
I think oneal, miner, and Scott are the best 3 overall players, id probably say oneal is the best but that makes sense as she's 4 years older than miner and Scott lol I think Rodriguez, booth, Franklin, skinner, and rubin are in the next tier. Rubins elite passing and backcourt play even out the offensive edge the other two have imo Pukis > Miner oop I forgot about her and yea I might agree with that rn but also 23>20 lol
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Post by xlumie on Dec 10, 2023 17:28:22 GMT -5
oop I forgot about her and yea I might agree with that rn but also 23>20 lol Can Miner be considered the best if her team chokes every E8?
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Post by xlumie on Dec 10, 2023 17:28:57 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. You have to pick Franklin. She almost had a career ending injury and even so required three months of rehab to come back better than she was. Wait she lowkey has the backstory for it now that you mentioned it...
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Post by xlumie on Dec 10, 2023 17:29:41 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too. Isn't this Wisconsin & Penn State?
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Post by azvb on Dec 10, 2023 17:33:52 GMT -5
I can’t prove this, but I think the reason they announce the winner after the semis is so “they” (exactly who are “they”?) can see who played the best. If it’s between Franklin and Skinner, the team that wins will also get POY.
If BYU had beat Stanford in the semis, I truly believe RJP would have won POY.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 10, 2023 17:33:55 GMT -5
oop I forgot about her and yea I might agree with that rn but also 23>20 lol Can Miner be considered the best if her team chokes every E8? it was a post about who the actual best player in the country is, not npoy candidates. and your weak attempt at an insult is just odd
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 10, 2023 17:38:25 GMT -5
I think Stanford’s bps is 2.6, with the top 10 being in the 2.8/9 range, which isn’t a huge margin (I didn’t look beyond the top 10 because that was what was immediately available on the NCAA site). It would be interesting to see a match by match breakdown for blocks. The hitting percentage stats show that they feast against moderate to poor teams (quite a few over .400), and are not bad but not great against the better teams (.250 - .275 range). None of that is particularly surprising. But the eye test, to me, says the biggest issue is being motivated, aggressive and focused. www.ncaa.com/stats/volleyball-women/d1/current/team/49Stanford is closer than you think. I also know they block a higher % of opponent attacks than #9 Oregon. Hey, I see they beat Harvard (barely). That’s all that matters .
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Post by transformer on Dec 10, 2023 17:39:56 GMT -5
Franklin! Skinner has been gret int he tourney - but FRANKLIN - just so over all great!
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Dec 10, 2023 17:44:06 GMT -5
Ppl need to remember who the voters are... AVCA voters. And given that pool has consistently ranked Texas higher that VT, plus the higher stats, I think it's going to be Madi MF Skinner.
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Post by BallQueen on Dec 10, 2023 17:51:09 GMT -5
POY candidates in one semifinal and FOY candidates on the other. Both games should be exciting to see who shows out for their team. I like Franklin for POY.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 10, 2023 20:08:55 GMT -5
No way I've seen enough of these players this season for me to make any meaningful call between any of them : )
Have the people voting seen them play that much or more so looking at stats? well, you don't need an extra subscription to LHN to watch Wisconsin play...
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Post by maigrey on Dec 10, 2023 20:12:53 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. You have to pick Franklin. She almost had a career ending injury and even so required three months of rehab to come back better than she was. Wait she lowkey has the backstory for it now that you mentioned it... And just in case you might forget it, the media mentions this on every single match. I haven't heard the Asia had open heart surgery story in the tournament yet.
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