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Post by xlumie on Dec 10, 2023 20:56:17 GMT -5
Wait she lowkey has the backstory for it now that you mentioned it... And just in case you might forget it, the media mentions this on every single match. I haven't heard the Asia had open heart surgery story in the tournament yet. I feel like the stories come up in the semifinal & final matches. |
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Post by hookem24 on Dec 10, 2023 21:02:41 GMT -5
Wait she lowkey has the backstory for it now that you mentioned it... And just in case you might forget it, the media mentions this on every single match. I haven't heard the Asia had open heart surgery story in the tournament yet. They mentioned it in both sweet 16 and elite 8 matches. Not a ton of emphasis on it like usual but they did mention it |
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 10, 2023 22:11:29 GMT -5
Wait she lowkey has the backstory for it now that you mentioned it... And just in case you might forget it, the media mentions this on every single match. I haven't heard the Asia had open heart surgery story in the tournament yet. Yes, Franklin's story is on repeat. A heartwarming story, nonetheless. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 10, 2023 22:41:45 GMT -5
As a Wisconsin fan, I think it has to be Skinner. And I don't think it was that way before the tournament. But Skinner carried UT to the Final Four, and we all know postseason performance plays a huge part in the AVCA national awards. Heck, the post-season run may have boosted O'Neal from a 3rd team AA to a 1st team AA while we're at it. Based on the way the AVCA currently does it, you may be right. But I despise that the AVCA considers tournament performance. It effectively disqualifies anyone who doesn't make it to the Final Four. There's a reason college football and basketball and all four major pro sports consider the regular season only. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 10, 2023 22:47:10 GMT -5
I can’t prove this, but I think the reason they announce the winner after the semis is so “they” (exactly who are “they”?) can see who played the best. If it’s between Franklin and Skinner, the team that wins will also get POY. If BYU had beat Stanford in the semis, I truly believe RJP would have won POY. No. Plummer won because she played for Stanford. The vote is before the Final Four. And Jordan Thompson was the best player that year anyway. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 10, 2023 22:55:09 GMT -5
I can’t prove this, but I think the reason they announce the winner after the semis is so “they” (exactly who are “they”?) can see who played the best. If it’s between Franklin and Skinner, the team that wins will also get POY. If BYU had beat Stanford in the semis, I truly believe RJP would have won POY. No. Plummer won because she played for Stanford. ur right so undeserving |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 10, 2023 23:00:24 GMT -5
No. Plummer won because she played for Stanford. ur right so undeserving She's a great player, but she wasn't the best player in the country that year. Jordan Thompson was. She didn't win because of the AVCA's archaic criteria. The reality of the NPOY award is that it isn't for the National Player of the Year. It's actually National Player of the Year on a P5 Team that Made the Final Four. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 11, 2023 0:13:18 GMT -5
She's a great player, but she wasn't the best player in the country that year. Jordan Thompson was. She didn't win because of the AVCA's archaic criteria. The reality of the NPOY award is that it isn't for the National Player of the Year. It's actually National Player of the Year on a P5 Team that Made the Final Four. Are we talking about 2019, the year that Plummer wasn't even an All-American? I thought Yosi Pressley was the NPOY that year. |
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Post by xlumie on Dec 11, 2023 0:21:03 GMT -5
She's a great player, but she wasn't the best player in the country that year. Jordan Thompson was. She didn't win because of the AVCA's archaic criteria. The reality of the NPOY award is that it isn't for the National Player of the Year. It's actually National Player of the Year on a P5 Team that Made the Final Four. Are we talking about 2019, the year that Plummer wasn't even an All-American? I thought Yosi Pressley was the NPOY that year. 2018. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 11, 2023 0:25:27 GMT -5
She's a great player, but she wasn't the best player in the country that year. Jordan Thompson was. She didn't win because of the AVCA's archaic criteria. The reality of the NPOY award is that it isn't for the National Player of the Year. It's actually National Player of the Year on a P5 Team that Made the Final Four. Are we talking about 2019, the year that Plummer wasn't even an All-American? I thought Yosi Pressley was the NPOY that year. Thompson was the best player in the country in both 2018 and 2019. She didn't win NPOY either year because the AVCA only considers Final Four players with a couple of rare exceptions. 2019 was particularly egregious because she had lit it up with the national team the previous summer. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 11, 2023 0:29:14 GMT -5
Are we talking about 2019, the year that Plummer wasn't even an All-American? I thought Yosi Pressley was the NPOY that year. Thompson was the best player in the country in both 2018 and 2019. She didn't win NPOY either year because the AVCA only considers Final Four players with a couple of rare exceptions. 2019 was particularly inexplicable because she had lit it up with the national team the previous summer. You're making stuff up now. |
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Post by maigrey on Dec 11, 2023 1:01:22 GMT -5
And just in case you might forget it, the media mentions this on every single match. I haven't heard the Asia had open heart surgery story in the tournament yet. Yes, Franklin's story is on repeat. A heartwarming story, nonetheless. oh, I'm a 100% Franklin fan. I just mean that anybody who watches a badger game will hear the story and that, I'm sure, influences voting. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 1:11:04 GMT -5
As much as I love Sarah Franklin as firstly I'm a Badger Backer and I'm still replaying her one handed save 🤩. but her resume just isn't as good as Madi Skinners . This one sided poll result must be taking into account too many program haters, or player STANs to produce a fitting result.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 11, 2023 1:18:48 GMT -5
Thompson was the best player in the country in both 2018 and 2019. She didn't win NPOY either year because the AVCA only considers Final Four players with a couple of rare exceptions. 2019 was particularly inexplicable because she had lit it up with the national team the previous summer. You're making stuff up now. I had to go look - Thompson got a pretty good runout in 2019, hitting .290 in 241 attempts. Is that "lighting it up"? I don't know - Bergmann had a similar runout for Brazil in 2022 and got 2nd team AVCA, so take from that what you will. But if you use previous summer's national team success as your main qualifier, then Asjia O'Neal should win in a slam dunk in 2023 and there is no one close. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 11, 2023 1:30:27 GMT -5
You're making stuff up now. I had to go look - Thompson got a pretty good runout in 2019, hitting .290 in 241 attempts. Is that "lighting it up"? I don't know - Bergmann had a similar runout for Brazil in 2022 and got 2nd team AVCA, so take from that what you will. But if you use previous summer's national team success as your main qualifier, then Asjia O'Neal should win in a slam dunk in 2023 and there is no one close. Of course, National Team stats are also not relevant to the award. In 2018 Thompson had great stats but her team was 13-19 and didn't qualify for the Tournament. In 2019, Thompson's stats improved a bit more over 2018 and her team lost in the 2nd round to #14 Marquette. I think a stronger case can be made for 2019 as the season Thompson was "robbed" but there was also quite a bit of hype for Pressley as a future Olympian as well (which obviously didn't pan out). |
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