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Post by 25or624 on Dec 12, 2023 18:57:56 GMT -5
As I said in the texas thread, which certain posters had a huge problem with, the transfer portal is both good and bad It gives others an oppurtunity to play else where, strengthen your team etc But I know for sure, it can cause morale issues and cause others to want to leave, especially for top ranked players who may get regulated to the bench It makes them feel like their coach does not trust/believe in them, and schools hoard talent. Nebraska, texas and wisconsin have all used transfers to help bolster their team. Their coaches are doing a good job at doing that and winning. Im just curious to see the after effects of this I think most "transfer defenders" [count me in] would say reasonable disagreement about the merits is just fine. I tend to agree with most of your assessment. Your post is a long way away from baseless, frankly defamatory, allegations.
Wisconsin may be an interesting case study next year. They'll return Sarah, CC and Carter, but are bringing in 6 freshman as well. In addition, we have no idea what to expect from Ella Wrobel and Saige Damrow.
We now return to the pre-match jitters.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 12, 2023 19:01:54 GMT -5
As I said in the texas thread, which certain posters had a huge problem with, the transfer portal is both good and bad It gives others an oppurtunity to play else where, strengthen your team etc But I know for sure, it can cause morale issues and cause others to want to leave, especially for top ranked players who may get regulated to the bench It makes them feel like their coach does not trust/believe in them, and schools hoard talent. Nebraska, texas and wisconsin have all used transfers to help bolster their team. Their coaches are doing a good job at doing that and winning. Im just curious to see the after effects of this I think most "transfer defenders" [count me in] would say reasonable disagreement about the merits is just fine. I tend to agree with most of your assessment. Your post is a long way away from baseless, frankly defamatory, allegations.
Wisconsin may be an interesting case study next year. They'll return Sarah, CC and Carter, but are bringing in 6 freshman as well. In addition, we have no idea what to expect from Ella Wrobel and Saige Damrow.
We now return to the pre-match jitters. In my opinion, out of the three, Wisconsin needs the portal for a pin the most. Correct me if im wrong, they have only one pin coming in next year? that girl from canada who is a bit undersized? I would totally get sheff going after a grad transfer pin, to ease the gap My "problem" is with having hords and hords of top talent riding the bench, max prep AA, top ten senior aces, JNT players etc, who keep riding the bench because coaches keep going after the biggest, shiniest player in the portal. I say problem cause thats how I personally feel about it. Its not "right or wrong" but just my opinion
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 12, 2023 19:27:01 GMT -5
Bringing this over from the bad thread… At most there’s 3 transfers on the court at any given time, and sometimes there’s only 2 when GG serves for TTA. Franklin is 6ro, the MB’s are both transfers, so there’s the 2 positions where there’s always a transfer. Our S/Opp combos for the 6-2 aren’t transfers, so there’s the ceiling of 4 transfers max. I can’t think of any combos where there’s 4 on the floor though. The transfer conversation is so dumb. It’s just a way for others to discount the accomplishments that Wisc and other teams with prominent transfers have. Oh you won but you have transfers so…….. Cmon. Rules are the same for everyone. Wisconsin transfers CC - transferred from Kansas. No idea why. TTA - Graduated from Northwestern. Wanted to spend her last year playing for a team that could compete for a title while getting her first year of grad school paid for. Her list of schools was probably very small. She choose a good academic school that also was very close to her old school and she had some familiarity with they B1G play. Franklin - Coach retired. Her level of play had improved since entering college and instead of waiting to see what might happen at MSU she took the opportunity to go to a place to compete for titles. She’s said that the Fieldhouse was her favorite place to play even when she was at MSU. Booth - Coach retires. Enters portal amid that uncertainty and reaches out to Wisconsin which has been reported was her second choice. Seems pretty reasonable. I have zero problem with any transfers on any team. I’m happy the athletes have the opportunity to play where they want and aren’t locked into a decision for 4 or 5 years they made when they were 17 or 18 years old and still living at home. TTA is the ONLY one and done that I can recall, and I’m quite fine with bringing in players that are going to be here for several years and will contribute to the Badger VB Culture. One year rentals is playing with fire with that culture, and I don’t see that happening very often. TBH, I don’t *want* to see many senior/grad transfers. I’d be shocked if there was a transfer coming in this off season. I’m not really sure where we’d slot someone, unless there was something we don’t know about Saige and Ella’s injuries heading into next year. We seem to be well stacked for 2024, but 2025 could be a year to grab some transfers as sophomores or juniors.
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Post by vollectator on Dec 12, 2023 19:31:51 GMT -5
Nebraska has had about 5 over 10 years, and doesn't belong in that group. that's my opening and closing statement.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 12, 2023 19:34:05 GMT -5
Elements of your three fanbases feel the need to constantly engage in back and forths about how your teams and coaches have used the portal, transfers, etc. Thought it might be nice for everyone on VolleyTalk for you to have your own thread where this ongoing debate can be centralized. Interested fans from teams other than these three are also welcome to post about how these three teams have used the portal here.
Y'all could duke it out here to your hearts' content in your own special thread. You fans of three teams arguing in the other general threads designated for all teams' 2024 transfers and related tea is getting old for fans of any other team. Frankly, I don't know how it hasn't gotten old for fans of your own teams, too at this point. Not to mention, all three of your teams have advanced to this year's Final Four- it's baffling to me (outside the tournament looking in) why anybody would spend this exciting time not relishing your current team's success and high possibility of winning the national championship.
Have a blast!
Title of thread should be : For people that like to throw shade and discount Nebraska, Texas, and Wisconsins accomplishments by constantly bringing up that they have transfer players. It’s not our 3 fan bases that try to discount them. It’s other fan bases that are somehow mad for other programs using the same transfer portal available to everyone. Nah, it should be titled "transferU, Don't hate us because people actually want to play for our teams." 😁
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Post by maigrey on Dec 12, 2023 19:36:24 GMT -5
Bringing this over from the bad thread… The transfer conversation is so dumb. It’s just a way for others to discount the accomplishments that Wisc and other teams with prominent transfers have. Oh you won but you have transfers so…….. Cmon. Rules are the same for everyone. Wisconsin transfers CC - transferred from Kansas. No idea why. TTA - Graduated from Northwestern. Wanted to spend her last year playing for a team that could compete for a title while getting her first year of grad school paid for. Her list of schools was probably very small. She choose a good academic school that also was very close to her old school and she had some familiarity with they B1G play. Franklin - Coach retired. Her level of play had improved since entering college and instead of waiting to see what might happen at MSU she took the opportunity to go to a place to compete for titles. She’s said that the Fieldhouse was her favorite place to play even when she was at MSU. Booth - Coach retires. Enters portal amid that uncertainty and reaches out to Wisconsin which has been reported was her second choice. Seems pretty reasonable. I have zero problem with any transfers on any team. I’m happy the athletes have the opportunity to play where they want and aren’t locked into a decision for 4 or 5 years they made when they were 17 or 18 years old and still living at home. TTA is the ONLY one and done that I can recall, and I’m quite fine with bringing in players that are going to be here for several years and will contribute to the Badger VB Culture. One year rentals is playing with fire with that culture, and I don’t see that happening very often. TBH, I don’t *want* to see many senior/grad transfers. I’d be shocked if there was a transfer coming in this off season. I’m not really sure where we’d slot someone, unless there was something we don’t know about Saige and Ella’s injuries heading into next year. We seem to be well stacked for 2024, but 2025 could be a year to grab some transfers as sophomores or juniors. I remember that Kelly said that he really only looked for transfers that had two or more years to play. I might have dreamed that, though.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 12, 2023 19:37:22 GMT -5
Nebraska has had about 5 over 10 years, and doesn't belong in that group. that's my opening and closing statement. Hord, Sun, Caffey, Beason, Holman, Malloy, Robinson, 7 but transfers before the portal were not as big, and to be quite honest, nebraska never really needed transfers with the way they recruit (Which also could be an issue of its own) which is why they have had some transfer out (all schools have tbh) But I think its silly to think cook wont use the portal. He definitely will just as any coach will We will see to what extent.
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 12, 2023 19:38:33 GMT -5
In my opinion, out of the three, Wisconsin needs the portal for a pin the most. Correct me if im wrong, they have only one pin coming in next year? that girl from canada who is a bit undersized? I think we’re going to be OK, as one of CC, Booth, Anna, and Devyn is going to have to sit or change positions. Could one of those end up at OH2 with Frank as OH1? Is TSC ready to step in to fill TTA’s shoes next year? We’ve got some depth coming in as freshmen, so I’m pretty sure we’re going to be OK, even if one of the 4 sees the writing on the wall for the 2024 5-1 and decides it’s time to go pro. I can’t see any immediate need for a transfer in 2024, but 2025 is another story after we lose a TON of talent.
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Post by nevollfan on Dec 12, 2023 20:09:04 GMT -5
As I said in the texas thread, which certain posters had a huge problem with, the transfer portal is both good and bad It gives others an oppurtunity to play else where, strengthen your team etc But I know for sure, it can cause morale issues and cause others to want to leave, especially for top ranked players who may get regulated to the bench It makes them feel like their coach does not trust/believe in them, and schools hoard talent. Nebraska, texas and wisconsin have all used transfers to help bolster their team. Their coaches are doing a good job at doing that and winning. Im just curious to see the after effects of this All top rated girls go to Nebraska expecting to play or start by their second year at least. Most give two years due diligence working their butts off. If not, some will move on to start or play significantly elsewhere. The others give it a third year and maybe a fourth year. But they want to play or start by the second year, to say I gave it my best shot and it did not work out. The year 2020 put a monkey wrench in the scholarship total equation. The class of 2020 get the remnants of that non-transparent time all over the world.
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Post by pull3 on Dec 12, 2023 21:00:43 GMT -5
Thanks for leading me to the transfer thread.
My argument is, no one would bother Rutgers if they had a dozen transfers. The real issue is not the transfers, but jealousy of the schools' success. You would think a giant like Nebraska wouldn’t be jealous, but think again. lol
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Post by vb on Dec 12, 2023 21:07:15 GMT -5
I’m wondering why no one is addressing NIL money available to Wisconsin and Nebraska student athletes. That seems to be the real Jealousy issue
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Post by pull3 on Dec 12, 2023 21:18:48 GMT -5
I’m wondering why no one is addressing NIL money available to Wisconsin and Nebraska student athletes. That seems to be the real Jealousy issue
Well they aren't football players
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 12, 2023 21:19:24 GMT -5
I’m wondering why no one is addressing NIL money available to Wisconsin and Nebraska student athletes. That seems to be the real Jealousy issue Which is what? Does anyone actually know or are you trolling?
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Post by mnwis20 on Dec 12, 2023 21:21:34 GMT -5
In my opinion, out of the three, Wisconsin needs the portal for a pin the most. Correct me if im wrong, they have only one pin coming in next year? that girl from canada who is a bit undersized? I think we’re going to be OK, as one of CC, Booth, Anna, and Devyn is going to have to sit or change positions. Could one of those end up at OH2 with Frank as OH1? Is TSC ready to step in to fill TTA’s shoes next year? We’ve got some depth coming in as freshmen, so I’m pretty sure we’re going to be OK, even if one of the 4 sees the writing on the wall for the 2024 5-1 and decides it’s time to go pro. I can’t see any immediate need for a transfer in 2024, but 2025 is another story after we lose a TON of talent. I have no idea on this but just wondering, do we try to bring in a senior/grad setter next year to provide some depth with Charlie? I also don’t think it’ll happen but with our stacked middle and opposite positions next year, I wonder if we’d be successful running a 6-2 one more season with Charlie and another setter. We are big and physical with a lot of weapons across the front and I wonder if Hammill stayed one more year or we got another setter if that would give the CC/Booth/Smrek/Devyn group one more year together to continue building what we have now.
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Post by wyredneck on Dec 12, 2023 21:24:40 GMT -5
For me, it's just one more in a long list of reasons to cheer for or against another team. It could be the school's colors, or the coach's smirk, or the rude student section, or the player who glares through the net ... or my belief that the school used the system (legally) to wrangle a team of wringers. It doesn't need to make sense to anybody but me, which is why I hadn't yet posted on this subject.
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