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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 16:18:53 GMT -5
Fairly par for the course with the NCAA What is the NCAA supposed to do? They need help from Congress. That help is not anywhere close to being forthcoming. Their hands are tied. The NCAA has been beaten like a rented mule in the courts time and time again. Not sure what anyone is expecting from them as an organization at this point.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 13, 2023 16:18:54 GMT -5
You act surprised. This is the way it was always going to be. The NCAA has very little authority to enforce much of anything regarding the transfer of players or how they'll be paid through NIL. Nor the amounts. Every time they try even a little it gets swatted down. I personally don't care if kids transfer multiple times, other than it's probably not ideal for their education (or those poor compliance people!). The chaos I'm referring to is this two-week period where there aren't any rules which will then be followed by no rules. Or the old rules in place. Or something different. That's chaos. Happy I'm (recently) out of the college sports biz!
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 16:29:08 GMT -5
You act surprised. This is the way it was always going to be. The NCAA has very little authority to enforce much of anything regarding the transfer of players or how they'll be paid through NIL. Nor the amounts. Every time they try even a little it gets swatted down. I personally don't care if kids transfer multiple times, other than it's probably not ideal for their education (or those poor compliance people!). The chaos I'm referring to is this two-week period where there aren't any rules which will then be followed by no rules. Or the old rules in place. Or something different. That's chaos. Happy I'm (recently) out of the college sports biz! That makes more sense. I just never felt like the NCAA was going to be able to successfully enforce the one transfer rule. The moment an athlete filed a lawsuit or even threatened to file a lawsuit it would be over. But it is a bummer in terms of graduating. No doubt about that.
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Post by n00b on Dec 13, 2023 16:31:04 GMT -5
How many SAs would this affect, practically? They already can transfer once as an undergrad, and a second time as a grad transfer. And that's on top of the 'coaching change' and 'loss of scholarship' exceptions. Those are NOT exceptions to the one-time transfer rule. They are exceptions to being required to enter the portal in specific windows. In fact, the NCAA put out a document explicitly stating that neither of those situations would qualify a student athlete for a second transfer waiver.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 13, 2023 16:38:58 GMT -5
Fairly par for the course with the NCAA What is the NCAA supposed to do? They need help from Congress. That help is not anywhere close to being forthcoming. Their hands are tied. The NCAA has been beaten like a rented mule in the courts time and time again. Not sure what anyone is expecting from them as an organization at this point. Make sure a legal team reviews their policies for potential issues/challenges before they deploy them? Understand that what their role is (and enforcement ain't it)? Have the athletes best interests in mind? Literally any of these could have helped mitigate their current issues.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 16:41:22 GMT -5
What is the NCAA supposed to do? They need help from Congress. That help is not anywhere close to being forthcoming. Their hands are tied. The NCAA has been beaten like a rented mule in the courts time and time again. Not sure what anyone is expecting from them as an organization at this point. Make sure a legal team reviews their policies for potential issues/challenges before they deploy them? Understand that what their role is (and enforcement ain't it)? Have the athletes best interests in mind? Literally any of these could have helped mitigate their current issues. Without enforcement, rules are meaningless. Who is supposed to be the enforcement arm, in your opinion?
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 13, 2023 16:45:35 GMT -5
Make sure a legal team reviews their policies for potential issues/challenges before they deploy them? Understand that what their role is (and enforcement ain't it)? Have the athletes best interests in mind? Literally any of these could have helped mitigate their current issues. Without enforcement, rules are meaningless. Who is supposed to be the enforcement arm, in your opinion? I mean, knowing what they really can enforce. They have lost nearly every legal challenge to their rules that has ever occurred. Overseeing behavior of the schools is their purview, because the schools agree to their oversight. Policing athlete movement is where they lose their validity.
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Post by vbkahuna on Dec 13, 2023 16:48:23 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, did this judge happen to graduate from or have a bumper sticker on his new BMW from Wisconsin, Texas, or Penn State???
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 16:51:41 GMT -5
Without enforcement, rules are meaningless. Who is supposed to be the enforcement arm, in your opinion? I mean, knowing what they really can enforce. They have lost nearly every legal challenge to their rules that has ever occurred. Overseeing behavior of the schools is their purview, because the schools agree to their oversight. Policing athlete movement is where they lose their validity. Player movement. Player compensation. Also, media rights compensation. The heart of competitive equity. The heart of fan and coaching complaints regarding collegiate athletics right now. I still don't understand your complaint about the NCAA. The very things they can't enforce are the very things that need the most enforcement. If they're not able to enforce those things, what's the complaint about what they should be doing that they're not? What about enforcing the behavior of the schools under their purview are they missing on, in your opinion?
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 16:53:34 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, did this judge happen to graduate from or have a bumper sticker on his new BMW from Wisconsin, Texas, or Penn State??? Hahahahaha! Oh you summer child. Like volleyball is even on the radar of this ruling.
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Post by n00b on Dec 13, 2023 16:56:16 GMT -5
What is the NCAA supposed to do? They need help from Congress. That help is not anywhere close to being forthcoming. Their hands are tied. The NCAA has been beaten like a rented mule in the courts time and time again. Not sure what anyone is expecting from them as an organization at this point. Make sure a legal team reviews their policies for potential issues/challenges before they deploy them? Understand that what their role is (and enforcement ain't it)? Have the athletes best interests in mind? Literally any of these could have helped mitigate their current issues. I mean, enforcement kinda is their role. The purpose of the organization is for universities to come together and set parameters for intercollegiate athletic competition. So they create the rules, then obviously have to enforce the rules. And certainly it is reasonable for there to be SOME transfer limitations. I don't think a basketball player should be allowed to play for one team in the fall and a different team in the spring. I think it's reasonable to have a deadline to notify your current team that you're leaving. Limiting to 1 transfer per 4 years? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. But I don't think it would be a dramatic change to the landscape. Most athletes don't even use their one transfer.
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Post by vbkahuna on Dec 13, 2023 16:56:40 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, did this judge happen to graduate from or have a bumper sticker on his new BMW from Wisconsin, Texas, or Penn State??? Hahahahaha! Oh you summer child. Like volleyball is even on the radar of this ruling. Oh, wait a sec...you don't think I was IMPLYING anything like...heaven forbid...
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 13, 2023 16:59:07 GMT -5
The fact that the NCAA didn't bother to appeal the TRO suggests to me that they have a different perspective on this. It's quite possible that an appeal of the TRO may have resulted in a temporary stay, and it would certainly be worth a try. Having what is esssentially free agency at all levels creates instability which is probably uncomfortable for even the power conferences. Maybe they are hoping that the chaos and instability will drive Congress to act sooner rather than later.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 17:10:23 GMT -5
Make sure a legal team reviews their policies for potential issues/challenges before they deploy them? Understand that what their role is (and enforcement ain't it)? Have the athletes best interests in mind? Literally any of these could have helped mitigate their current issues. I mean, enforcement kinda is their role. The purpose of the organization is for universities to come together and set parameters for intercollegiate athletic competition. So they create the rules, then obviously have to enforce the rules. And certainly it is reasonable for there to be SOME transfer limitations. I don't think a basketball player should be allowed to play for one team in the fall and a different team in the spring. I think it's reasonable to have a deadline to notify your current team that you're leaving. Limiting to 1 transfer per 4 years? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. But I don't think it would be a dramatic change to the landscape. Most athletes don't even use their one transfer. The problem with their enforcement role is they've never had subpoena powers. Universities figured out if they just didn't cooperate with the investigation it became very problematic for the NCAA to prove anything in a court of law, which is where judgements would end up when schools played hardball. The whole system has hair all over it. In many ways the house of cards is fortunate it's stayed upright this long. The massive increase in revenues from all sources has helped incentivize the system to survive, while also exacerbating its paradoxes and conflicts of interest to explosive levels.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 17:11:30 GMT -5
The fact that the NCAA didn't bother to appeal the TRO suggests to me that they have a different perspective on this. It's quite possible that an appeal of the TRO may have resulted in a temporary stay, and it would certainly be worth a try. Having what is esssentially free agency at all levels creates instability which is probably uncomfortable for even the power conferences. Maybe they are hoping that the chaos and instability will drive Congress to act sooner rather than later. This is me holding my breath.
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