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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 21, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -5
Here’s the thing. As I’ve said before. My belief is there is no such thing as transgender. It’s a made up term. It implies you can change sex at will which is ludicrous. So I choose not to participate in that what I believe is insanity. That is my right. Ahhh, so you don’t understand the concept of sex vs gender. Enough said. Transgender people have always existed and have been accepted and celebrated in other cultures. It is nothing less than colonialism to blame for transphobia. I'm sure you are aware that sex and gender were once synonymous. It wasn't until the 1940s and 50s that Madison Bentley and John Money led the effort to corrupt the language to make sex and gender distinctly different. Corruption of the language is a common tool of the Left used to advance their various agendas. Colonialism? Really? You're really pulling all the cards out, aren't you? Frankly, your narcissism is nauseating. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:17:52 GMT -5
Where did the direct name call come in. I also explained my point of view weather your agree with it or not. I didn’t call someone a name with no explanation. That’s what I was referring to earlier with that statement. Nice try though "Just because INSANE people want to change that and pretend they are this different thing is on them." Don't act innocent Boofus. Oh I don’t claim to be innocent at all. Was that directed at you specifically no. Did I not explain why I think the way I do. You don’t have to agree with my explaination but I’m not just throwing things out their without justification |
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Post by TayRey on Dec 21, 2023 15:21:17 GMT -5
Ahhh, so you don’t understand the concept of sex vs gender. Enough said. Transgender people have always existed and have been accepted and celebrated in other cultures. It is nothing less than colonialism to blame for transphobia. I'm sure you are aware that sex and gender were once synonymous. It wasn't until the 1940s and 50s that Madison Bentley and John Money led the effort to corrupt the language to make sex and gender distinctly different. Corruption of the language is a common tool of the Left used to advance their various agendas. Colonialism? Really? You're really pulling all the cards out, aren't you? Frankly, your narcissism is nauseating. Yes. Colonialism lmfao. www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/Now why do we think that other cultures that aren’t WHITE centric were erased because their ways of existing were different than WHITE people… oh yeah! C O L O N I A L I S M The lack of education of other cultures other than your own just shows your inadequate comprehension and xenophobia. So who is really being narcissistic? Slowly focusing on their own experience, ignoring all facts of human existence and history. Trying to site medical practices and beliefs is also asinine because medicine is constantly evolving and discovering new things. People in the mid century also believed that women could drink while pregnant and be fine. And to this day research and development and education is STILL white centric. 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:22:31 GMT -5
Again, you completely fail to make any type of relevant point that is congruent to the discussion. This isn’t about wanting everyone to think the same or be the same. You aren’t simply expressing your disdain for people who think different than you, but rather people who ARE different than you. Transphobic people aren’t just asking to be heard or understood as an argument, they are truly arguing the validity of an existence of an identity group. Does that ideology, combined with this idea that people should be divided into less boxes, not sound similar to some of the biggest atrocities our world has experienced? Here’s the thing. As I’ve said before. My belief is there is no such thing as transgender. It’s a made up term. It implies you can change sex at will which is ludicrous. So I choose not to participate in that what I believe is insanity. That is my right. If you want to believe in it that’s your right. Differing thoughts that you say your for. I don’t have to believe in something to think people have the right to believe in whatever they want This is all that you have done through this thread. Make a wild claim, have it tested and challenged by logic, data, stats, and facts, and then all of a sudden it's just "your belief" and is safe from being called out. There is a reason that the term has changed from transsexual to transgender, which represents your idea of changing sex. Of course, you would have to be able to understand the difference between sex and gender but it seems like you have limited capability to do so for whatever reason. It is surely your right to think what you believe and act accordingly (within the law, rules, policies, etc). It's like if you don't believe in gay rights, then sure, don't get a gay marriage. The problem occurs is when you take those beliefs (in your case, beliefs that are not based in actual logic) and try to exclude, eradicate, expel others with them. |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 15:26:54 GMT -5
Reading the comments on volleytalk and groups like this as a fellow trans athlete are beyond devastating. I consider myself a grown a** woman (who has a fantastic therapist) but this constant rhetoric and commentary on trans people eats away at you. People speak so freely with hate and disdain but then say it is not personal but you cannot attack a person’s equality, character, or identity without it being personal. It’s not only personal to the specific person but to trans people at large, especially trans women. When your identity and validity as a person is constantly attacked and ridiculed you turn into a shell of a person. And I don’t want to hear any BS about “it’s about fairness” or “you shouldn’t let what others say or think affect you”. There are ALREADY rules in governing bodies all the way up to the IOC for how trans athletes can compete and even so- there are SO FEW of us trans athletes. And even the few that do compete there is NO EVIDENCE of some massive influx of trans athletes. We do not transition for sports. We transition TO STAY ALIVE. If you think this will be an avenue to men to win, then your issue is with predatory men, NOT TRANS WOMEN. Do yall really think that in this transphobic, misogynistic, sexist, patriarchy that faking being a woman is a legit way MEN are wanting fame? This journey is TREACHEROUS every single moment that trans people are alive. We have NO safe places. All we want to do is play the sport that we love. To escape reality and just exist on the court. No one is transitioning just to win sports, we face discrimination in every aspect of our life. We have less access to education, safety, job security, access to healthcare, and struggle to even have relationships and friendships. All bc of this hateful rhetoric and because people feel the need to demean people and other people. Imagine living in a world where every where you look you are being told you will never amount to anything, never have a career, never have happiness, never have love, never have equality, where society denies your validity. Why would anyone CHOOSE that? And unless you are trans you have NO idea what it is like. Not to mention transphobia is immensely rooted in racism as well. You see athletes like Serena Williams who constantly were accused of “being a man.” Intersex athletes like Castor Semenya who were disqualified for a NATURAL OCCURRING difference. Meanwhile athletes like Michael Phelps who ALSO have naturally occurring advantages (his body does not produce the normal amount of lactic acid) are lauded. People always rag on “more bone density, more lung capacity, taller height” but don’t even acknowledge the biodiversity within each assigned sex at birth. There are a MULTITUDE of cis women who are stronger, taller, faster etc than me. Does this mean women who are taller than others should not be able to compete? Additionally, the immense muscle mass that trans women lose after hormone replacement therapy (HRT) greatly affects athletic ability. I am a shell of an athlete of what I used to be. And guess what? All that extra “bone density, height and weight” combined with LESS MUSCLE = more stress being put on the body. Lastly, this issue also affects cis women. There are news articles about cis women who are harassed for people assuming they are trans, with some even being physically attacked or killed. How is this protecting women? How is this furthering our “safety”? How do you explain to your child that because they are so good, or because they look a certain way, that people want to do tests on them or even PHYSICALLY EXAMINE THEM to prove they belong? Finally, even if you disagree with their belonging in sports- the least you can do is gender them correctly. You may not think they should compete but you don’t have to dehumanize them and attack their identity at the same time. I hope that this athlete is being looked after and loved on. I hope that she knows that there is nothing wrong with her. I hope she knows she deserves love, happiness, equality, and equity. I hope she knows she has community and she belongs. We’ve lost too many people to the cruelty of the world. Please think about that whenever you speak. ✌🏽 I appreciate your insight. I don’t personally think it’s hate. Yes, you can claim that you are a grown a$$ woman… (go ahead you can have that… ) but there are actual biological grown a$$ women who have been through the motions of being a little girl and growing into the body of a biological woman. You CAN’T say that you have been through the same motions like biological women. You can’t say that you’ve gone through the emotions of having menstrual cycles like majority of these biological women. You have an entirely different journey, so you comparing yourself to a biological women is invalid. You can claim yourself as a trans-woman or a woman as you please, but you’re not a biological woman. You’ve been modified and transitioned into one and that’s just the facts. I’ll respect you as a woman but that doesn’t justify why transgender women should be accepted to receive scholarships over biological women. I’ll help you protest for a trans-woman category and support you as a trans-woman or a woman, but don’t force anyone to think that transgender women are the equivalent to biological women. That won’t fly with everyone and that’s something you need to understand. PS I am a gay individual. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:26:59 GMT -5
Here’s the thing. As I’ve said before. My belief is there is no such thing as transgender. It’s a made up term. It implies you can change sex at will which is ludicrous. So I choose not to participate in that what I believe is insanity. That is my right. If you want to believe in it that’s your right. Differing thoughts that you say your for. I don’t have to believe in something to think people have the right to believe in whatever they want This is all that you have done through this thread. Make a wild claim, have it tested and challenged by logic, data, stats, and facts, and then all of a sudden it's just "your belief" and is safe from being called out. There is a reason that the term has changed from transsexual to transgender, which represents your idea of changing sex. Of course, you would have to be able to understand the difference between sex and gender but it seems like you have limited capability to do so for whatever reason. It is surely your right to think what you believe and act accordingly (within the law, rules, policies, etc). It's like if you don't believe in gay rights, then sure, don't get a gay marriage. The problem occurs is when you take those beliefs (in your case, beliefs that are not based in actual logic) and try to exclude, eradicate, expel others with them. . I’m not trying to exclude anyone. I’m just not playing into peoples delusions. Instead of helping these people who need help we tell them there is nothing wrong and feed the delusion. I won’t be part of that |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:28:24 GMT -5
"Just becaus e INSANE people want to change that and pretend they are this different thing is on them." Don't act innocent Boofus. Oh I don’t claim to be innocent at all. Was that directed at you specifically no. Did I not explain why I think the way I do. You don’t have to agree with my explaination but I’m not just throwing things out their without justification So just because it wasn't directed at me means I can't call it out? Not gonna cut it. And you absolutely have been throwing things out without justification. The majority of your posts have been just that. You have failed multiple times to provide any data, sources, or logic to back up your claims and have continued to spew nonsense on the basis that it is your belief. Belief without reasoning is how we have found ourselves in some of the most discriminatory events in US history. And then combine that with your comments about minorities vs. the majority? It's quite dangerous. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 21, 2023 15:29:06 GMT -5
I'm sure you are aware that sex and gender were once synonymous.; This is completely backward. "Gender" meant "kind" or "type" or "grouping" and was not much used except by linguists. "Sex" (as a noun) meant male/female/other. (And yes, the concept of non-binary sex is ancient.) It was mainly feminist scholars in the 60s and 70s who started using "gender" as a concept for things that had previously been subsumed by the word "sex". They wanted to separate out the cultural aspects of what it meant to be female from the physical aspects. This annoyed many linguists, who felt that their word had been co-opted, except being linguists they knew that happens to words, so they kind of had to just lump it. |
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Post by TayRey on Dec 21, 2023 15:33:33 GMT -5
Reading the comments on volleytalk and groups like this as a fellow trans athlete are beyond devastating. I consider myself a grown a** woman (who has a fantastic therapist) but this constant rhetoric and commentary on trans people eats away at you. People speak so freely with hate and disdain but then say it is not personal but you cannot attack a person’s equality, character, or identity without it being personal. It’s not only personal to the specific person but to trans people at large, especially trans women. When your identity and validity as a person is constantly attacked and ridiculed you turn into a shell of a person. And I don’t want to hear any BS about “it’s about fairness” or “you shouldn’t let what others say or think affect you”. There are ALREADY rules in governing bodies all the way up to the IOC for how trans athletes can compete and even so- there are SO FEW of us trans athletes. And even the few that do compete there is NO EVIDENCE of some massive influx of trans athletes. We do not transition for sports. We transition TO STAY ALIVE. If you think this will be an avenue to men to win, then your issue is with predatory men, NOT TRANS WOMEN. Do yall really think that in this transphobic, misogynistic, sexist, patriarchy that faking being a woman is a legit way MEN are wanting fame? This journey is TREACHEROUS every single moment that trans people are alive. We have NO safe places. All we want to do is play the sport that we love. To escape reality and just exist on the court. No one is transitioning just to win sports, we face discrimination in every aspect of our life. We have less access to education, safety, job security, access to healthcare, and struggle to even have relationships and friendships. All bc of this hateful rhetoric and because people feel the need to demean people and other people. Imagine living in a world where every where you look you are being told you will never amount to anything, never have a career, never have happiness, never have love, never have equality, where society denies your validity. Why would anyone CHOOSE that? And unless you are trans you have NO idea what it is like. Not to mention transphobia is immensely rooted in racism as well. You see athletes like Serena Williams who constantly were accused of “being a man.” Intersex athletes like Castor Semenya who were disqualified for a NATURAL OCCURRING difference. Meanwhile athletes like Michael Phelps who ALSO have naturally occurring advantages (his body does not produce the normal amount of lactic acid) are lauded. People always rag on “more bone density, more lung capacity, taller height” but don’t even acknowledge the biodiversity within each assigned sex at birth. There are a MULTITUDE of cis women who are stronger, taller, faster etc than me. Does this mean women who are taller than others should not be able to compete? Additionally, the immense muscle mass that trans women lose after hormone replacement therapy (HRT) greatly affects athletic ability. I am a shell of an athlete of what I used to be. And guess what? All that extra “bone density, height and weight” combined with LESS MUSCLE = more stress being put on the body. Lastly, this issue also affects cis women. There are news articles about cis women who are harassed for people assuming they are trans, with some even being physically attacked or killed. How is this protecting women? How is this furthering our “safety”? How do you explain to your child that because they are so good, or because they look a certain way, that people want to do tests on them or even PHYSICALLY EXAMINE THEM to prove they belong? Finally, even if you disagree with their belonging in sports- the least you can do is gender them correctly. You may not think they should compete but you don’t have to dehumanize them and attack their identity at the same time. I hope that this athlete is being looked after and loved on. I hope that she knows that there is nothing wrong with her. I hope she knows she deserves love, happiness, equality, and equity. I hope she knows she has community and she belongs. We’ve lost too many people to the cruelty of the world. Please think about that whenever you speak. ✌🏽 I appreciate your insight. I don’t personally think it’s hate. Yes, you can claim that you are a grown a$$ woman… (go ahead you can have that… ) but there are actual biological grown a$$ women who have been through the motions of being a little girl and growing into the body of a biological woman. You CAN’T say that you have been through the same motions like biological women. You can’t say that you’ve gone through the emotions of having menstrual cycles like majority of these biological women. You have an entirely different journey, so you comparing yourself to a biological women is invalid. You can claim yourself as a trans-woman or a woman as you please, but you’re not a biological woman. You’ve been modified and transitioned into one and that’s just the facts. I’ll respect you as a woman but that doesn’t justify why transgender women should be accepted to receive scholarships over biological women. I’ll help you protest for a trans-woman category and support you as a trans-woman or a woman, but don’t force anyone to think that transgender women are the equivalent to biological women. That won’t fly with everyone and that’s something you need to understand. PS I am a gay individual. “Ps I’m a gay individual” That doesn’t mean your opinion means any more to me than anyone else. No one is saying our journeys are the same. No woman’s journey is the same. Every one has a different background and journey. What would you say about intersex people? People love to talk about menstrual cycles as if that’s the hallmark of being a woman. There are plenty of women who never have one or don’t have one anymore due to natural causes. Are these women not women? What about women that have an abnormal puberty and don’t develop despite being “biologically female”? Biology is not as straight forward as people think it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:34:46 GMT -5
Oh I don’t claim to be innocent at all. Was that directed at you specifically no. Did I not explain why I think the way I do. You don’t have to agree with my explaination but I’m not just throwing things out their without justification So just because it wasn't directed at me means I can't call it out? Not gonna cut it. And you absolutely have been throwing things out without justification. The majority of your posts have been just that. You have failed multiple times to provide any data, sources, or logic to back up your claims and have continued to spew nonsense on the basis that it is your belief. Belief without reasoning is how we have found ourselves in some of the most discriminatory events in US history. And then combine that with your comments about minorities vs. the majority? It's quite dangerous. I’m not doing that cause it’s worthless. Anyone can find things that support their view. Everyone cherry-picks what sites are trustworthy and which are not based on their ideals. It doesn’t work because whatever you say someone will find something somewhere that supports their view |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:35:04 GMT -5
This is all that you have done through this thread. Make a wild claim, have it tested and challenged by logic, data, stats, and facts, and then all of a sudden it's just "your belief" and is safe from being called out. There is a reason that the term has changed from transsexual to transgender, which represents your idea of changing sex. Of course, you would have to be able to understand the difference between sex and gender but it seems like you have limited capability to do so for whatever reason. It is surely your right to think what you believe and act accordingly (within the law, rules, policies, etc). It's like if you don't believe in gay rights, then sure, don't get a gay marriage. The problem occurs is when you take those beliefs (in your case, beliefs that are not based in actual logic) and try to exclude, eradicate, expel others with them. . I’m not trying to exclude anyone. I’m just not playing into peoples delusions. Instead of helping these people who need help we tell them there is nothing wrong and feed the delusion. I won’t be part of that As someone who supports the mental health of trans and non-binary individuals on a daily basis, I am going to call out yet another one of your beliefs that is not rooted in reason or fact. |
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Post by TayRey on Dec 21, 2023 15:35:26 GMT -5
Reading the comments on volleytalk and groups like this as a fellow trans athlete are beyond devastating. I consider myself a grown a** woman (who has a fantastic therapist) but this constant rhetoric and commentary on trans people eats away at you. People speak so freely with hate and disdain but then say it is not personal but you cannot attack a person’s equality, character, or identity without it being personal. It’s not only personal to the specific person but to trans people at large, especially trans women. When your identity and validity as a person is constantly attacked and ridiculed you turn into a shell of a person. And I don’t want to hear any BS about “it’s about fairness” or “you shouldn’t let what others say or think affect you”. There are ALREADY rules in governing bodies all the way up to the IOC for how trans athletes can compete and even so- there are SO FEW of us trans athletes. And even the few that do compete there is NO EVIDENCE of some massive influx of trans athletes. We do not transition for sports. We transition TO STAY ALIVE. If you think this will be an avenue to men to win, then your issue is with predatory men, NOT TRANS WOMEN. Do yall really think that in this transphobic, misogynistic, sexist, patriarchy that faking being a woman is a legit way MEN are wanting fame? This journey is TREACHEROUS every single moment that trans people are alive. We have NO safe places. All we want to do is play the sport that we love. To escape reality and just exist on the court. No one is transitioning just to win sports, we face discrimination in every aspect of our life. We have less access to education, safety, job security, access to healthcare, and struggle to even have relationships and friendships. All bc of this hateful rhetoric and because people feel the need to demean people and other people. Imagine living in a world where every where you look you are being told you will never amount to anything, never have a career, never have happiness, never have love, never have equality, where society denies your validity. Why would anyone CHOOSE that? And unless you are trans you have NO idea what it is like. Not to mention transphobia is immensely rooted in racism as well. You see athletes like Serena Williams who constantly were accused of “being a man.” Intersex athletes like Castor Semenya who were disqualified for a NATURAL OCCURRING difference. Meanwhile athletes like Michael Phelps who ALSO have naturally occurring advantages (his body does not produce the normal amount of lactic acid) are lauded. People always rag on “more bone density, more lung capacity, taller height” but don’t even acknowledge the biodiversity within each assigned sex at birth. There are a MULTITUDE of cis women who are stronger, taller, faster etc than me. Does this mean women who are taller than others should not be able to compete? Additionally, the immense muscle mass that trans women lose after hormone replacement therapy (HRT) greatly affects athletic ability. I am a shell of an athlete of what I used to be. And guess what? All that extra “bone density, height and weight” combined with LESS MUSCLE = more stress being put on the body. Lastly, this issue also affects cis women. There are news articles about cis women who are harassed for people assuming they are trans, with some even being physically attacked or killed. How is this protecting women? How is this furthering our “safety”? How do you explain to your child that because they are so good, or because they look a certain way, that people want to do tests on them or even PHYSICALLY EXAMINE THEM to prove they belong? Finally, even if you disagree with their belonging in sports- the least you can do is gender them correctly. You may not think they should compete but you don’t have to dehumanize them and attack their identity at the same time. I hope that this athlete is being looked after and loved on. I hope that she knows that there is nothing wrong with her. I hope she knows she deserves love, happiness, equality, and equity. I hope she knows she has community and she belongs. We’ve lost too many people to the cruelty of the world. Please think about that whenever you speak. ✌🏽 I appreciate your insight. I don’t personally think it’s hate. Yes, you can claim that you are a grown a$$ woman… (go ahead you can have that… ) but there are actual biological grown a$$ women who have been through the motions of being a little girl and growing into the body of a biological woman. You CAN’T say that you have been through the same motions like biological women. You can’t say that you’ve gone through the emotions of having menstrual cycles like majority of these biological women. You have an entirely different journey, so you comparing yourself to a biological women is invalid. You can claim yourself as a trans-woman or a woman as you please, but you’re not a biological woman. You’ve been modified and transitioned into one and that’s just the facts. I’ll respect you as a woman but that doesn’t justify why transgender women should be accepted to receive scholarships over biological women. I’ll help you protest for a trans-woman category and support you as a trans-woman or a woman, but don’t force anyone to think that transgender women are the equivalent to biological women. That won’t fly with everyone and that’s something you need to understand. PS I am a gay individual. ALSO, you are NOT allowed to comment on what is hate and isn’t hate when you’re not experiencing it. You are not a trans woman, you have NOOOOOO idea what this experience is like and how TERRIBLE of an experience it is. Misgendering and debating our SANITY and validity to EXIST is hate. 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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:37:15 GMT -5
. I’m not trying to exclude anyone. I’m just not playing into peoples delusions. Instead of helping these people who need help we tell them there is nothing wrong and feed the delusion. I won’t be part of that As someone who supports the mental health of trans and non-binary individuals on a daily basis, I am going to call out yet another one of your beliefs that is not rooted in reason or fact. Stop it. I support the mental health of any indiduals. But that doesn’t mean I have to believe in this trans , non binary crap. Like I said. I believe they arnt being helped and being encourages to support their delusions |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:37:41 GMT -5
So just because it wasn't directed at me means I can't call it out? Not gonna cut it. And you absolutely have been throwing things out without justification. The majority of your posts have been just that. You have failed multiple times to provide any data, sources, or logic to back up your claims and have continued to spew nonsense on the basis that it is your belief. Belief without reasoning is how we have found ourselves in some of the most discriminatory events in US history. And then combine that with your comments about minorities vs. the majority? It's quite dangerous. I’m not doing that cause it’s worthless. Anyone can find things that support their view. Everyone cherry-picks what sites are trustworthy and which are not based on their ideals. It doesn’t work because whatever you say someone will find something somewhere that supports their view Or because you won't find many sources that back your ridiculous claims. |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 15:39:17 GMT -5
I appreciate your insight. I don’t personally think it’s hate. Yes, you can claim that you are a grown a$$ woman… (go ahead you can have that… ) but there are actual biological grown a$$ women who have been through the motions of being a little girl and growing into the body of a biological woman. You CAN’T say that you have been through the same motions like biological women. You can’t say that you’ve gone through the emotions of having menstrual cycles like majority of these biological women. You have an entirely different journey, so you comparing yourself to a biological women is invalid. You can claim yourself as a trans-woman or a woman as you please, but you’re not a biological woman. You’ve been modified and transitioned into one and that’s just the facts. I’ll respect you as a woman but that doesn’t justify why transgender women should be accepted to receive scholarships over biological women. I’ll help you protest for a trans-woman category and support you as a trans-woman or a woman, but don’t force anyone to think that transgender women are the equivalent to biological women. That won’t fly with everyone and that’s something you need to understand. PS I am a gay individual. ALSO, you are NOT allowed to comment on what is hate and isn’t hate when you’re not experiencing it. You are not a trans woman, you have NOOOOOO idea what this experience is like and how TERRIBLE of an experience it is. Misgendering and debating our SANITY and validity to EXIST is hate. Point blank period, full stop. I’m pretty sure that everyone who is against this agenda knows when there is hate or not. I’m against this subject but I clearly don’t hate. You don’t speak for all transgender people. I know other transgender people who are against your beliefs on this subject so don’t act like you are speaking for all transgenders either.. thank you. |
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