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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:34:32 GMT -5
This is Holiday. He’s a troll, y’all. That one is on par with WF on the Hawaii threads. It's just easier to 🚫 these people so you don't have to deal with the drama they create. great...if you can't handle a discussion by all means weasel out of it. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:35:14 GMT -5
read the entire thing ...thanks for asking.....and no...at the office You have a tv in your “office”—don’t lie! *I’ll take that as a “No, I didn’t bother reading it”. sorry...no tele but I am watching the new julia Roberts Netflix film |
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Post by staticb on Dec 13, 2023 22:35:32 GMT -5
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 13, 2023 22:37:22 GMT -5
You can’t figure out something as polarizing as this. It’s polarizing because the right wing politicians have found an issue that effects a very very small amount of people and whipped up their far right base and has blown it up as a huge wedge issue because that’s what politicians are good at doing. So trying to have a civilized conversation about it has become difficult because a lot of people have already chosen “sides”. All that being said I have coached hs girls for almost 20 years and have a daughter and a son and it’s an issue I personally struggle with how it should be properly handled in the best interest of all involved. It’s never an issue I've personally had to deal with that has involved varsity athletes. That’s not to say I haven’t been thru this with kids, just not at the varsity level. The thought that prevails to me a lot after seeing it a bit more close up is that no one would go thru all the heartache and controversy and negative attention that’s involved with these issues just to get attention. They are very convicted in their beliefs of who they are and how they identify and I choose to believe them. How that translates to sports, specifically girls sports, is a whole other issue and conversation. I think this is a solid perspective. This article is trash and the right-wing echo chamber like to pick on issues to get their base all upset to distract people. I also take trans athletes at their word and believe they are sincere in how they identify. Will there be the occasional moronic frat guy that gets everyone all up in arms for attention? of course there will be, those people can't help themselves - and I would hope that the collective response would be public humiliation and castigation. With that said, I don't think it's wrong for people who do have fairness concerns to voice those concerns when it comes to the application of gender in sports, and we should be able to disassociate the toxic rhetoric the right has turned this into from those who seek to have meaningful conversations about fairness in sports. Do I know what is "fair" in sports competition? I'd like to think in principle that I do, but in reality, I probably don't. I don't think that it's particularly fair that the average height for U.S. women is 5'4" but then players like Smrek or Rettke get to waltz on the court and pretend like everything is fair simply because everyone on the court happens to have a vagina. It's not fair, but that doesn't mean it's not ok. I don't have the answer to the more complex question of which genders should be allowed to play which sports, but I do think those conversations should be had, and I don't begrudge people for genuinely disagreeing. Regardless of the outcome, there will be people who will be upset and don't get their way. There will be disgruntled athletes and their cheerleader parents who will feel like their daughters can't succeed because biological men are stacking the deck, there will be trans people who won't get to play the sport they want to just because they feel differently inside than what their body parts say outside. Both of those scenarios are 'ok' outcomes in my book - the world sometimes sucks, not everyone gets their way. |
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Post by mibadger on Dec 13, 2023 22:39:13 GMT -5
I'm sure there are plenty of people who could have a nuance and intelligent conversation about this. I am also 100% sure you aren't one of them. It would have never gotten to that because honestly you progressives are not capable of having a direct discussion without coming completely unglued? Look how this thread creator was treated? Shall we look down over the comments and see how respectful you all were toward someone asking a perfectly valid question? Shall we? The thread creator that posted a transphobic article full of hate to start the conversation. They got exactly what they wanted. They were not interested in an open conversation. If they were they would have started the conversation in a far different way. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 22:40:26 GMT -5
I heard that after reading that article that the entire men’s Superlega is transitioning so they can wear spanx and whoop up on little girls in juniors as transgender and transgenerational athletes. were you playing bridge with the old ladies when this discussion was had? I think you tried to insult me, but I can’t tell. Oh well, I am beside myself mourning the death of NCAA Women’s Volleyball because men are pretending to be women to sexually overpower their teammates and opponents! At least that’s what your posts say. |
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Post by staticb on Dec 13, 2023 22:43:21 GMT -5
If 1% of the population identifies as transgender, then statistically there's 30-50 people in D1 women's volleyball who do now. They could be playing for your school.
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Post by JT on Dec 13, 2023 22:45:04 GMT -5
Nice color coding but the difference is these woman were born women. Lets say the best male player in the world decided to transition and competes against the above mentioned? You are saying that's perfectly fair....right? Sorry. No cool colors.  Do we *know* that Anna (or any other allegedly cis-gender female player) has zero crossover genetic material from a Y chromosome, or from a translocation in a previous generation from the Y to a numbered chromosome? How “pure” do the genetics need to be, and at what point in the athlete’s life/career should we insist that a full genetic mapping be performed? No matter what you may believe, or were taught, there is much more to “gender” (and to visible phenotype) than “XX” vs “XY.” |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:49:56 GMT -5
were you playing bridge with the old ladies when this discussion was had? I think you tried to insult me, but I can’t tell. Oh well, I am beside myself mourning the death of NCAA Women’s Volleyball because men are pretending to be women to sexually overpower their teammates and opponents! At least that’s what your posts say. I am genuinely sorry you feel that way and time will tell how this will go. |
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Post by eazy on Dec 13, 2023 22:50:23 GMT -5
But why is gender at birth the only characteristic that is used? It's not fair for a 6'9 player to play again a 6'0 player. They were born with a physiological advantage that isn't FAIR.Lets say you decided to transition and had to compete against Anna Smrek? You're saying that would be unfair to Anna, because she cannot possibly compete with you? according to your mentality then a genetic male should be able to overpower a woman sexually...right? Because they really don't have that big of advantage according to you? Is that what your saying? I'm sorry... what?! I said that the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'females at birth' who are not athletically gifted is exponentially larger than the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'males at birth' who transition at a young age and are athletically gifted. How did you make the leap to "overpower a woman sexually"? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:53:41 GMT -5
It would have never gotten to that because honestly you progressives are not capable of having a direct discussion without coming completely unglued? Look how this thread creator was treated? Shall we look down over the comments and see how respectful you all were toward someone asking a perfectly valid question? Shall we? The thread creator that posted a transphobic article full of hate to start the conversation. They got exactly what they wanted. They were not interested in an open conversation. If they were they would have started the conversation in a far different way. You have no idea what their intentions were but bullying anyone with a different thought who doesn't agree with your line of thinking is completely unfair. What are you all so scared of exactly? If you confident in your own opinion what is with the complete meltdowns? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:55:51 GMT -5
according to your mentality then a genetic male should be able to overpower a woman sexually...right? Because they really don't have that big of advantage according to you? Is that what your saying? I'm sorry... what?! I said that the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'females at birth' who are not athletically gifted is exponentially larger than the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'males at birth' who transition at a young age and are athletically gifted. How did you make the leap to "overpower a woman sexually"? According to you,... trans players have no physical advantage...right? If that holds to be true then men attacking women would have no advantage? Same stupid reasoning that you are using frankly because of course a genetic male born a genetic male has a physical advantage and isn't that the entire point that ruins your argument? |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 13, 2023 22:58:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry... what?! I said that the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'females at birth' who are not athletically gifted is exponentially larger than the differences between 'females at birth' who are athletically gifted and 'males at birth' who transition at a young age and are athletically gifted. How did you make the leap to "overpower a woman sexually"? According to you,... trans players have no physical advantage...right? If that holds to be true then men attacking women would have no advantage? Same stupid reasoning that you are using frankly because of course a genetic male born a genetic male has a physical advantage and isn't that the entire point that ruins your argument? Your ignorance is showing. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 13, 2023 22:58:23 GMT -5
Every time Holiday posts something, this is what I think of.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 13, 2023 22:59:23 GMT -5
The thread creator that posted a transphobic article full of hate to start the conversation. They got exactly what they wanted. They were not interested in an open conversation. If they were they would have started the conversation in a far different way. You have no idea what their intentions were but bullying anyone with a different thought who doesn't agree with your line of thinking is completely unfair. What are you all so scared of exactly? If you confident in your own opinion what is with the complete meltdowns? Says that poster that trolls and bullies. I’m fine with a conversation and different view points. I’m not fine with how this was first presented and linked to start this thread. |
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