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Post by tinboat on Dec 18, 2023 13:17:21 GMT -5
To say every team failed miserably because they didn't win the natty is a failure to understand sports. If Neb season was a complete failure, then every team Neb beat to get where they were also failed. Same with Wisc and every other team in the NCAA. 1 team success, everyone else failed. 18 successful players, 1,000s of complete failures. And that is the way it is every year. 2020 everyone failed miserably and had a horrendous year but Kentucky. 2021 was everyone but Wisconsin. 2017 everyone but Nebraska. This board (VT in general) is so very hateful it amazes me people like this live in the world. Not a world I want to be a part of. You can't even compliment a team and not get thrown over the fire. Logging out for good, this isn't someplace I need to spend my time.
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Post by utexrulz23 on Dec 18, 2023 13:17:34 GMT -5
Set 3 - loved that dig and save by Lexi/Harper. If they win that point, I think this match gets extended. - these rules need to be gone. Let them play and if you call it, call it consistently. All this and felt like home cooking. - was this 11-1 (or 12-1?) and a 6-0 to end the match? Wow. So wild. - no reason for JC to wait so long to use timeouts. Texas really outcoached Nebraska. You waited until you were down by 9?!? Sure the media timeout at 5 down, but this is the third set sir. Don’t give up on your team. - of all the things they explain as far as rules, they don’t really explain hitting percentage. Just an observation. - the crowd was out of this long before Texas had it in the bag. What’s the point of that many fans if you are giving up? - love the Asjia digs to extend her serves!!! - ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE ACE The same Cook who gets blasted for calling them too early? What was going to be said that hadn’t been said over and over again? “Hey, we need to pass”……. I probably would have called one sooner, but he knows his team, and he’s a pretty good coach. Coaches timeout didn’t decide this match. Yes. It was too late. Period. It’s momentum that has to be stopped. He can control that some. It reads like he gave up. I’m not saying he did but it felt that way. Also, outside of the (wrong IMO) adjustment in set 2, I just don’t feel like he adjusted. Sure, Texas served out of mind (23 aces in 6 sets is wild) but it felt like towards the end they accepted the inevitable.
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Post by vbdiva on Dec 18, 2023 13:20:25 GMT -5
ABC is invoicing Nebraska for all the TV revenue money they lost, showing live this embarrassment of a match —way to set the sport back 20 years, Huskers.
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Post by passmetherock on Dec 18, 2023 13:22:32 GMT -5
I really truly still cannot believe how much of a beat down this was. it might be one of the only final fours I never bother to go back and watch in the future bc like... why? Lol ALTHO, I can see how Texas fans would have this sh*t on repeat for the next several seasons lmao i rewatched this morning and in the first set before Texas got the yellow card, Skinner went over to the up official and said “Bekka Allick #5, yeah I think you should call her over because she said the “F“ word. I think you should just call her over and tell her to watch her mouth”. I think this was such a mature and classy way to handle the situation, and it honestly doesn’t surprise me the Nebraska players talk like this considering the shade thrown, and Bekka dropping the f bomb in the post match interview. But, Asija got hella warnings and everyone about had an egg when Elliot was trying to plead his case about the out of rotation. Such hypocrisy from the Nebraska fan base. The nastiness goes both ways.
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 18, 2023 13:23:49 GMT -5
I've seen some women's players do it and the result is never great. A&M's passers tried it some. If it's not an ace going backwards/out of bounds, the ball usually gets popped straight up and not to target Alright, I’m getting the sense that most people here are convinced that, for whatever reason, women can’t pass effectively overhand. Alright then, when Wisconsin and Nebraska go south with their passing, Shef and JC’s only answer is possibly make some subs, some lateral stack shifts, hide someone …. the usual adjustments. If that’s doesn’t work, they sit back, shrug their shoulders and say “Man, these guys are serving great … I’ve done all I can do.” That’s simplifying it of course but it seems everyone is okay with just that. And that’s really the first time I’m hearing “women can’t do that well, even great athletes” … that’s a stunner for me I would say "women can't pass effectively overhand" is a simplification. I can't pass effectively overhand. I've seen some female players pass well overhand when it's a very deep ball that would have tagged the endline, but it never seems to be a primary technique. My guess is that the coaches look at the stats for each passing type (overhand v midline v angle v whatever else) and train what statistically has the best results. My understanding is that is angle passing. Then, given that angle passing is what you've been training every day in the gym, it's probably not an effective strategy to suddenly be like "guys, forget all that, take several steps forward, and use a skill mostly used in emergencies as your primary technique." I find it more likely the players would be able to improve their angle passes to pull themselves out of the hole than that they would suddenly be able to be successful changing it up.
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Post by utexrulz23 on Dec 18, 2023 13:30:15 GMT -5
It could be really fun if teams would take a page out of Nebraska’s book and try to do large events at football stadiums or at least basketball/hockey arenas. Would be awesome to either make this about rivalry (Texas/Nebraska, Stanford/UCLA, Pittsburgh/Penn State, Louisville/Kentucky, etc) home and away in the same season. Or, choose venues that are true neutral but with huge marquee matchups and just do it as a series. Could be like our basketball conference/conference challenges.
Also, JC’s comments about volleyball not doing big tourneys at far off locales like basketball is interesting. His point about split semester is fair. But softball/baseball does this to a lesser extent (but a longer season). I think it could happen though.
This game can be grown so much!!!
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 18, 2023 13:35:39 GMT -5
The same Cook who gets blasted for calling them too early? What was going to be said that hadn’t been said over and over again? “Hey, we need to pass”……. I probably would have called one sooner, but he knows his team, and he’s a pretty good coach. Coaches timeout didn’t decide this match. Yes. It was too late. Period. It’s momentum that has to be stopped. He can control that some. It reads like he gave up. I’m not saying he did but it felt that way. Also, outside of the (wrong IMO) adjustment in set 2, I just don’t feel like he adjusted. Sure, Texas served out of mind (23 aces in 6 sets is wild) but it felt like towards the end they accepted the inevitable. Friendly reminder, you’re expressing your opinion.
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Post by scarletandcream on Dec 18, 2023 13:36:23 GMT -5
ABC is invoicing Nebraska for all the TV revenue money they lost, showing live this embarrassment of a match —way to set the sport back 20 years, Huskers. The same team that sold out an entire football stadium for volleyball set the spot back 20 years? Girl please.
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Post by knapplc on Dec 18, 2023 13:39:00 GMT -5
ABC is invoicing Nebraska for all the TV revenue money they lost, showing live this embarrassment of a match —way to set the sport back 20 years, Huskers. The same team that sold out an entire football stadium for volleyball set the spot back 20 years? Girl please. This person is looking for attention. Don't give it to them.
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Post by vbdiva on Dec 18, 2023 13:39:02 GMT -5
ABC is invoicing Nebraska for all the TV revenue money they lost, showing live this embarrassment of a match —way to set the sport back 20 years, Huskers. The same team that sold out an entire football stadium for volleyball set the spot back 20 years? Girl please. Stadium seling out in a state that has nothing to do, easy..... did not have anything to do with a movement... it was simply a ploy for people to leave their tv dinners and lounge chairs for a night
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Post by utexrulz23 on Dec 18, 2023 13:43:22 GMT -5
Yes. It was too late. Period. It’s momentum that has to be stopped. He can control that some. It reads like he gave up. I’m not saying he did but it felt that way. Also, outside of the (wrong IMO) adjustment in set 2, I just don’t feel like he adjusted. Sure, Texas served out of mind (23 aces in 6 sets is wild) but it felt like towards the end they accepted the inevitable. Friendly reminder, you’re expressing your opinion. Obviously. We all are. There’s tons of fundamental attribution error in fandom. I didn’t realize that needed to be expressed in every post.
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Post by bounce22 on Dec 18, 2023 13:43:39 GMT -5
Alright, I’m getting the sense that most people here are convinced that, for whatever reason, women can’t pass effectively overhand. Alright then, when Wisconsin and Nebraska go south with their passing, Shef and JC’s only answer is possibly make some subs, some lateral stack shifts, hide someone …. the usual adjustments. If that’s doesn’t work, they sit back, shrug their shoulders and say “Man, these guys are serving great … I’ve done all I can do.” That’s simplifying it of course but it seems everyone is okay with just that. And that’s really the first time I’m hearing “women can’t do that well, even great athletes” … that’s a stunner for me I would say "women can't pass effectively overhand" is a simplification. I can't pass effectively overhand. I've seen some female players pass well overhand when it's a very deep ball that would have tagged the endline, but it never seems to be a primary technique. My guess is that the coaches look at the stats for each passing type (overhand v midline v angle v whatever else) and train what statistically has the best results. My understanding is that is angle passing. Then, given that angle passing is what you've been training every day in the gym, it's probably not an effective strategy to suddenly be like "guys, forget all that, take several steps forward, and use a skill mostly used in emergencies as your primary technique." I find it more likely the players would be able to improve their angle passes to pull themselves out of the hole than that they would suddenly be able to be successful changing it up. Okay, thanks for the clarification. Agree that results are what matters ultimately (as long as the technique that gets those results doesn’t contribute to injury). So then, it’s really just as simple as the team didn’t pass well enough for an extended period of time even though we trained scientifically properly given our statistics. Which happens yes. So the breakdown for Wisconsin and Nebraska then is WHY did we pass so poorly when in mattered the most? It’s clearly not training then if everyone agrees they both train passing well. I assume that all programs would have brought in players (male or female) to replicate the serving (as close as possible) they would be playing against. So then, ultimately, it’s mainly mental? Then the best mental coach/team wins in these tough situations? Once again, I’m over-simplifying obviously but I still believe there is more room in the chamber for some adjustment bullets. The posters here that played high level would be the ones that can answer this I guess. I’d just want more ammo for moments like this if I was coaching. No stone unturned and then if you get beat your analysis is basically fault-free (obviously not but closer) post natch. All adjustments to the game (bic, combinations, etc) were probably borne from necessity - someone needed something to gain an advantage. Maybe we’ll start to see a bit of overhead passing in time to help get out of some tough spots … and maybe not.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 18, 2023 13:45:18 GMT -5
Friendly reminder, you’re expressing your opinion. Obviously. We all are. There’s tons of fundamental attribution error in fandom. I didn’t realize that needed to be expressed in every post. When you said it was “too late. Period.” That seemed like a statement of fact.
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Post by utexrulz23 on Dec 18, 2023 13:48:35 GMT -5
Obviously. We all are. There’s tons of fundamental attribution error in fandom. I didn’t realize that needed to be expressed in every post. When you said it was “too late. Period.” That seemed like a statement of fact. Okay. Fair. But still. I don’t think many coaches would hold on to TOs like that. It isn’t why they lost, but it still feels like sus coaching.
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 18, 2023 16:35:19 GMT -5
Someone riddle me this: when was the last time the national champion lost their first set of the tournament?
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