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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 11:52:23 GMT -5
Does anyone have Landfair's passing numbers for 2023 and 2022? Thanks.
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Post by 25or624 on Dec 16, 2023 12:04:21 GMT -5
Does anyone have Landfair's passing numbers for 2023 and 2022? Thanks. This was in the Transfer Portal thread, 2023 #:
Badgers fans do not really want Landfair, we need to improve passing. However, if Wucherer wanted to play in her home state, that is another matter.
they both passed between a 1.9-2.0 (1.91 for TayLa and 1.97 for wucherer) with the exact same error & overpass rate
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Dec 16, 2023 12:11:42 GMT -5
Because we already have 3 players who can compete for that spot. Orzol is a 3 year veteran of the program and was Big 10 freshman of the year as an outside; Wrobel was a top recruit in her class and has 3 years of eligibility; I don’t know much about Shadd-Ceres, but she must be a viable option given that she is on scholarship at Wisconsin. Give those in our gym the opportunity. It’s better for the program in the long run. I think the “long run” has merit, though I don’t think it makes sense to waste a scholarship altogether. Completely fair. I’ve said this previously, but I think if there is an extra scholarship, it would make the most sense to bring on a graduate setter just for depth. Fuehrbringer will be starting for sure, but after what happened with Northwestern last year and Florida this year, a 2-setter roster isn’t ideal in my book.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 16, 2023 12:12:18 GMT -5
If we have a scholarship available, why wouldn’t we use it? OH2 is the only unoccupied role right now, let’s get the best available to compete for it. Because we already have 3 players who can compete for that spot. Orzol is a 3 year veteran of the program and was Big 10 freshman of the year as an outside; Wrobel was a top recruit in her class and has 3 years of eligibility; I don’t know much about Shadd-Ceres, but she must be a viable option given that she is on scholarship at Wisconsin. Give those in our gym the opportunity. It’s better for the program in the long run. We will be trying to win a natty in 2024. Go for it. And 2025 isn't any worries either; we will be thin at the pin in 2025 even if Horner plays RS, so a two-year player at OH is perfectly fine. Is it Landfair? Depends on whether it's a fit on both sides, but I think the coaching staff should absolutely shoot her an e-mail and find out if she's interested. The thing is, Landfair would have to accept a different role. She could be a 3-rotation OH, or even an opposite in 2025 (I could see her being a great 6-rotation opposite). But we would have all the firepower if she came to Madison.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 16, 2023 12:16:40 GMT -5
I think the “long run” has merit, though I don’t think it makes sense to waste a scholarship altogether. Completely fair. I’ve said this previously, but I think if there is an extra scholarship, it would make the most sense to bring on a graduate setter just for depth. Fuehrbringer will be starting for sure, but after what happened with Northwestern last year and Florida this year, a 2-setter roster isn’t ideal in my book. Sheffield did say once he’d like to have three setters on the roster. I guess it’s a matter of picking your poison.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 16, 2023 12:17:52 GMT -5
Does anyone have Landfair's passing numbers for 2023 and 2022? Thanks. This was in the Transfer Portal thread, 2023 #:
Badgers fans do not really want Landfair, we need to improve passing. However, if Wucherer wanted to play in her home state, that is another matter.
they both passed between a 1.9-2.0 (1.91 for TayLa and 1.97 for wucherer) with the exact same error & overpass rate
Yeah, Wuch's passing definitely is not solid either. Landfair has identifiable issues, though, and was targeted a ton early, whereas Wuch just seems to not be comfortable as a passer in general. I didn't see enough Minnesota late in the year to see if Landfair figured out her issues with stepping to pass. TTA's passing her last year at NU was even worse, though - a 1.8 or maybe 1.9? (I'm sure it's in the 2023 thread but I'm not going to go check). Specifically, you put either of them at 3 rotations, then they're always passing in area 5 and we've shown we have good enough passers to squeeze them. And Landfair has shown she passes well if you serve directly at her, so serving her if she is squeezed to the edge of the court would be asking for a perfect pass if you miss by just a bit. I'd be comfortable with Landfair passing as a 3-rotation OH. (famous last words though)
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Dec 16, 2023 12:20:43 GMT -5
Because we already have 3 players who can compete for that spot. Orzol is a 3 year veteran of the program and was Big 10 freshman of the year as an outside; Wrobel was a top recruit in her class and has 3 years of eligibility; I don’t know much about Shadd-Ceres, but she must be a viable option given that she is on scholarship at Wisconsin. Give those in our gym the opportunity. It’s better for the program in the long run. We will be trying to win a natty in 2024. Go for it. And 2025 isn't any worries either; we will be thin at the pin in 2025 even if Horner plays RS, so a two-year player at OH is perfectly fine. Is it Landfair? Depends on whether it's a fit on both sides, but I think the coaching staff should absolutely shoot her an e-mail and find out if she's interested. The thing is, Landfair would have to accept a different role. She could be a 3-rotation OH, or even an opposite in 2025 (I could see her being a great 6-rotation opposite). But we would have all the firepower if she came to Madison. We would have firepower, yes, but you need more than firepower to win a championship. I think bringing in transfers now and again is perfectly fine, but we should also develop and play the players we recruit to begin with. Yes, we’ll have 3 OHs on the roster in 2025 without transfers, but the transfer portal will still be there after next season.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 16, 2023 12:24:17 GMT -5
If we have a scholarship available, why wouldn’t we use it? OH2 is the only unoccupied role right now, let’s get the best available to compete for it. Because we already have 3 players who can compete for that spot. Orzol is a 3 year veteran of the program and was Big 10 freshman of the year as an outside; Wrobel was a top recruit in her class and has 3 years of eligibility; I don’t know much about Shadd-Ceres, but she must be a viable option given that she is on scholarship at Wisconsin. Give those in our gym the opportunity. It’s better for the program in the long run. We don’t know what Ella’s status is. We don’t know how TSC will adapt to the college game. We don’t know if the smalls will be sufficient in the back row - there’s a good chance that Orzoł will be needed at libero again. If we have an available scholarship and a player is available who wants to be a Badger and buy into the team mentality and culture, then why not bring them on? Also: It’s not an either/or situation. The coaches work with and develop all players. Jordan Robbins came to Wisconsin from UCLA and said in an interview that it was so different because it wasn’t just the starters getting attention from the coaches. Barnes said on a podcast recently that Wisconsin was way different from her prior experiences because everyone, from the starters to the bench, was putting in extra time. I remember attending an open practice in 2016 and seeing Amber MacDonald - a walk-on, at the time a sophomore who would maybe see time as a serving sub in some matches - stay after practice with Gary and one of the managers to put in extra work. Gary just stood on a platform and hit balls and she dug them up to the manager, who was standing at the setter base position. They did several dozen reps. She wasn’t a starter, she wasn’t even first off the bench, but she wanted to get better, and the coaches were there for her.
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Post by 25or624 on Dec 16, 2023 12:24:51 GMT -5
We will be trying to win a natty in 2024. Go for it. And 2025 isn't any worries either; we will be thin at the pin in 2025 even if Horner plays RS, so a two-year player at OH is perfectly fine. Is it Landfair? Depends on whether it's a fit on both sides, but I think the coaching staff should absolutely shoot her an e-mail and find out if she's interested. The thing is, Landfair would have to accept a different role. She could be a 3-rotation OH, or even an opposite in 2025 (I could see her being a great 6-rotation opposite). But we would have all the firepower if she came to Madison. We would have firepower, yes, but you need more than firepower to win a championship. I think bringing in transfers now and again is perfectly fine, but we should also develop and play the players we recruit to begin with. Yes, we’ll have 3 OHs on the roster in 2025 without transfers, but the transfer portal will still be there after next season. We would have firepower, yes, but you need more than firepower to win a championship.
We're living through the aftermath of that; more balance please.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 16, 2023 12:25:00 GMT -5
I think the “long run” has merit, though I don’t think it makes sense to waste a scholarship altogether. Completely fair. I’ve said this previously, but I think if there is an extra scholarship, it would make the most sense to bring on a graduate setter just for depth. Fuehrbringer will be starting for sure, but after what happened with Northwestern last year and Florida this year, a 2-setter roster isn’t ideal in my book. Same. I completely expect Charlie to have the reigns from day 1, but having only Van Wie as the backup worries me.
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 12:25:36 GMT -5
This was in the Transfer Portal thread, 2023 #:
Badgers fans do not really want Landfair, we need to improve passing. However, if Wucherer wanted to play in her home state, that is another matter.
they both passed between a 1.9-2.0 (1.91 for TayLa and 1.97 for wucherer) with the exact same error & overpass rate
Yeah, Wuch's passing definitely is not solid either. Landfair has identifiable issues, though, and was targeted a ton early, whereas Wuch just seems to not be comfortable as a passer in general. I didn't see enough Minnesota late in the year to see if Landfair figured out her issues with stepping to pass. TTA's passing her last year at NU was even worse, though - a 1.8 or maybe 1.9? (I'm sure it's in the 2023 thread but I'm not going to go check). Specifically, you put either of them at 3 rotations, then they're always passing in area 5 and we've shown we have good enough passers to squeeze them. And Landfair has shown she passes well if you serve directly at her, so serving her if she is squeezed to the edge of the court would be asking for a perfect pass if you miss by just a bit. I'd be comfortable with Landfair passing as a 3-rotation OH. (famous last words though) I have scribbled in a notebook (the source must have been VT) that TTA passed 1.90 on 441 balls in 2021. She didn't have enough 'attempts' in 2022 to be significant.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 16, 2023 12:48:43 GMT -5
When you step back and think of what our front row might look like:
Franklin, Landfair, Booth, Robinson, and Smrek
Every single player is an All American. This would be the best in all of college volleyball.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Dec 16, 2023 12:50:24 GMT -5
Because we already have 3 players who can compete for that spot. Orzol is a 3 year veteran of the program and was Big 10 freshman of the year as an outside; Wrobel was a top recruit in her class and has 3 years of eligibility; I don’t know much about Shadd-Ceres, but she must be a viable option given that she is on scholarship at Wisconsin. Give those in our gym the opportunity. It’s better for the program in the long run. We don’t know what Ella’s status is. We don’t know how TSC will adapt to the college game. We don’t know if the smalls will be sufficient in the back row - there’s a good chance that Orzoł will be needed at libero again. If we have an available scholarship and a player is available who wants to be a Badger and buy into the team mentality and culture, then why not bring them on? Also: It’s not an either/or situation. The coaches work with and develop all players. Jordan Robbins came to Wisconsin from UCLA and said in an interview that it was so different because it wasn’t just the starters getting attention from the coaches. Barnes said on a podcast recently that Wisconsin was way different from her prior experiences because everyone, from the starters to the bench, was putting in extra time. I remember attending an open practice in 2016 and seeing Amber MacDonald - a walk-on, at the time a sophomore who would maybe see time as a serving sub in some matches - stay after practice with Gary and one of the managers to put in extra work. Gary just stood on a platform and hit balls and she dug them up to the manager, who was standing at the setter base position. They did several dozen reps. She wasn’t a starter, she wasn’t even first off the bench, but she wanted to get better, and the coaches were there for her. I definitely understand all of this: we don’t know what Wrobel’s status will be, and we’ve seen a lot of development from the long-term transfers we’ve had come in. There’s definitely an argument for an OH to come in and develop, just look at Franklin and Crawford. I do think that we’d be fine without a “major” OH transfer this next season though. A line-up of the following would be pretty menacing: OH: Franklin OH: Wrobel/Shadd-Ceres (DS: GG) MB: Robinson (SS: Crawford) MB: Booth RS: Smrek (DS: Schumacher/Damrow) S: Fuehrbringer L: Orzol
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 16, 2023 12:52:16 GMT -5
We would have firepower, yes, but you need more than firepower to win a championship. I think bringing in transfers now and again is perfectly fine, but we should also develop and play the players we recruit to begin with. Yes, we’ll have 3 OHs on the roster in 2025 without transfers, but the transfer portal will still be there after next season. We would have firepower, yes, but you need more than firepower to win a championship.
We're living through the aftermath of that; more balance please.
In that case I'd think you want either a libero or an established OH2 (all-around outside hitter) as a portal player, if anything. The "all the firepower" was meant to be a minor joke, but the reality is, Texas beat us in two areas: 1. They had enough firepower to overcome our block and floor defense. 2. They served us into the ground. Especially in a 5-1, there will be at least one rotation where Frank is back row and Charlie is front row and the reality of it is that in that case, whoever our OH2 is will be counted on to take out the trash in that rotation. We struggled in that rotation this year until TTA finally found her form. And championships are won and lost based on one weak rotation. If Orzol or Wrobel is OH2 next year, I will fear rotation 4 every time it comes up.
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Post by pull3 on Dec 16, 2023 13:10:27 GMT -5
more greed for the 23 year olds.... Live by the portal, die by the portal. Good luck in the 2026 class. Something tells me, you'll get another 3 or 4 "no's on your top picks" 🤔 Sheff would be doing so good if he would recruit badass freshman...... but here we are.
not sure any of your badass freshmen will turn out to be NPOY one day tbh.
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