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Post by 25or624 on Jun 5, 2024 18:47:59 GMT -5
I mean, to be fair, we should still have Demps and Wrobel, that's two OHs right there. When Wrobel left, it was obviously too late for any additional recruiting in '22 and '23. When Demps left last year, it was the same thing. And while Demps leaving could have been predicted, Wrobel left because she was constantly set back by injuries, that's not really predictable. If anything, it's next year's recruiting (2025) where we don't have enough OHs, because even with Wrobel, we would still only have 3 OHs. Whether that's because we went after targets that were too big is another debate. Whether they should still have Demps or Wrobel has nothing to do with their recruiting classes of '22 or '23. You can never have enough talent and for some reason either Badgers didn't want more in '22 & '23, or they couldn't get more. Either way is a problem. I give them more of a pass on '22 because they had Anthouli from Greece and she backed out. Can't get more is worrying me right now. Did they bet the farm on Landfair and then give up on the first portal?
Are they still looking now?
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jun 5, 2024 19:08:14 GMT -5
I mean, to be fair, we should still have Demps and Wrobel, that's two OHs right there. When Wrobel left, it was obviously too late for any additional recruiting in '22 and '23. When Demps left last year, it was the same thing. And while Demps leaving could have been predicted, Wrobel left because she was constantly set back by injuries, that's not really predictable. If anything, it's next year's recruiting (2025) where we don't have enough OHs, because even with Wrobel, we would still only have 3 OHs. Whether that's because we went after targets that were too big is another debate. Whether they should still have Demps or Wrobel has nothing to do with their recruiting classes of '22 or '23. You can never have enough talent and for some reason either Badgers didn't want more in '22 & '23, or they couldn't get more. Either way is a problem. I give them more of a pass on '22 because they had Anthouli from Greece and she backed out. There’s still plenty of time to fill the 2025 roster. The pressing need now is a fourth OH for the 2024 roster, which is championship caliber. |
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Post by taxidea on Jun 5, 2024 19:20:32 GMT -5
I'm sure it won't be missed by the people here, but Carlini and Rettke both named to the 12-woman, Olympic roster!  Exactly!! |
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Jun 5, 2024 19:59:09 GMT -5
I mean, to be fair, we should still have Demps and Wrobel, that's two OHs right there. When Wrobel left, it was obviously too late for any additional recruiting in '22 and '23. When Demps left last year, it was the same thing. And while Demps leaving could have been predicted, Wrobel left because she was constantly set back by injuries, that's not really predictable. If anything, it's next year's recruiting (2025) where we don't have enough OHs, because even with Wrobel, we would still only have 3 OHs. Whether that's because we went after targets that were too big is another debate. Whether they should still have Demps or Wrobel has nothing to do with their recruiting classes of '22 or '23. You can never have enough talent and for some reason either Badgers didn't want more in '22 & '23, or they couldn't get more. Either way is a problem. I give them more of a pass on '22 because they had Anthouli from Greece and she backed out.  Whether they still have Demps or Wrobel have everything to do with the recruiting classes of '22 and '23 lol? Those are two scholarship players, where tf else do you think the scholarships would be coming from while we still had them to recruit for '22 and '23 lol?? In fact, Wrobel WAS a '22 class player, and a top 10 one at that too, so there's your '22. Demps was supposed to take up a pin scholarship for '22, and then she let, and we went out and tried to do the best with the scholarship that we could by getting TTA. And again, for '23, we didn't think we would need a pin hitter, because Wrobel is supposed to be here, and she also left, and now we're stuck here, and now suddenly we have a scholarship open. Unless you're suggesting we should have stripped Wrobel of her scholarship last year and went out and recruit for the class of '23 lmao. There's a thing called a scholarship limit, and to try to somehow say we should stockpile talent as if we can just ignore those limits is crazy. |
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Post by honeybadger88 on Jun 5, 2024 20:16:55 GMT -5
Probably the UW hasn't shown interest yet. I hope they get in her ear and offer her a spot to be a part of a championship contending team. |
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Jun 5, 2024 21:34:53 GMT -5
Whether they should still have Demps or Wrobel has nothing to do with their recruiting classes of '22 or '23. You can never have enough talent and for some reason either Badgers didn't want more in '22 & '23, or they couldn't get more. Either way is a problem. I give them more of a pass on '22 because they had Anthouli from Greece and she backed out. Whether they still have Demps or Wrobel have everything to do with the recruiting classes of '22 and '23 lol? Those are two scholarship players, where tf else do you think the scholarships would be coming from while we still had them to recruit for '22 and '23 lol?? In fact, Wrobel WAS a '22 class player, and a top 10 one at that too, so there's your '22. Demps was supposed to take up a pin scholarship for '22, and then she let, and we went out and tried to do the best with the scholarship that we could by getting TTA. And again, for '23, we didn't think we would need a pin hitter, because Wrobel is supposed to be here, and she also left, and now we're stuck here, and now suddenly we have a scholarship open. Unless you're suggesting we should have stripped Wrobel of her scholarship last year and went out and recruit for the class of '23 lmao. There's a thing called a scholarship limit, and to try to somehow say we should stockpile talent as if we can just ignore those limits is crazy. 1st of all f@*$ your "LOLs" and your "LMAOs" and your condescending response. It's an honest question... If the answer is scholarship limits, if you know that's the case, then just answer with that. How did other top schools have 3, 4, 5 top player recruiting classes then with better players than Wrobel and Demps already on their rosters? They had schollie limits too. One could say then the Badgers had poor scholarship management. I'll buy that. Fine. But to say top programs had 3, 4, 5 top recruits, with having schollie limits, and the Badgers could get 1 with worse players and schollie limits doesn't pass the smell test. Other schools have no problem stockpiling talent WITH schollie limits, so why can't the Badgers... (I'm not asking for an answer from you.) |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 5, 2024 21:46:35 GMT -5
I'm really happy for Carlini.
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Post by mnbadger on Jun 5, 2024 21:56:53 GMT -5
I'm sure it won't be missed by the people here, but Carlini and Rettke both named to the 12-woman, Olympic roster! Yay!!! Are they the first Badgers to be on the women’s team for the Olympics? I THINK so, but don't have a long enough history or the energy to look it up. haha |
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Post by SportyBucky on Jun 5, 2024 21:59:41 GMT -5
Yay!!! Are they the first Badgers to be on the women’s team for the Olympics? I THINK so, but don't have a long enough history or the energy to look it up. haha They are the first |
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 5, 2024 22:04:02 GMT -5
I THINK so, but don't have a long enough history or the energy to look it up. haha They are the first Carlini gets her shot and moves on, leaving 2028 wide open for Charlie; i like it. |
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Jun 5, 2024 22:15:51 GMT -5
Whether they still have Demps or Wrobel have everything to do with the recruiting classes of '22 and '23 lol? Those are two scholarship players, where tf else do you think the scholarships would be coming from while we still had them to recruit for '22 and '23 lol?? In fact, Wrobel WAS a '22 class player, and a top 10 one at that too, so there's your '22. Demps was supposed to take up a pin scholarship for '22, and then she let, and we went out and tried to do the best with the scholarship that we could by getting TTA. And again, for '23, we didn't think we would need a pin hitter, because Wrobel is supposed to be here, and she also left, and now we're stuck here, and now suddenly we have a scholarship open. Unless you're suggesting we should have stripped Wrobel of her scholarship last year and went out and recruit for the class of '23 lmao. There's a thing called a scholarship limit, and to try to somehow say we should stockpile talent as if we can just ignore those limits is crazy. 1st of all f@*$ your "LOLs" and your "LMAOs" and your condescending response. It's an honest question... If the answer is scholarship limits, if you know that's the case, then just answer with that. How did other top schools have 3, 4, 5 top player recruiting classes then with better players than Wrobel and Demps already on their rosters? They had schollie limits too. One could say then the Badgers had poor scholarship management. I'll buy that. Fine. But to say top programs had 3, 4, 5 top recruits, with having schollie limits, and the Badgers could get 1 with worse players and schollie limits doesn't pass the smell test. Other schools have no problem stockpiling talent WITH schollie limits, so why can't the Badgers... (I'm not asking for an answer from you.) Every single time this past year+, you've find ways to complain about how we only got Saige for the class of '23. Like you've been incessant about it, and MANY people have responded to you, but now you try to claim it's an honest question? LOL, do we need to pull out the receipts of your old posts literally complaining about the same thing since the fall of last season? Texas and Nebraska have NIL programs we can NOT match; Texas two seasons ago literally had 13-14 scholarship-worthy players on their roster that they managed through their NIL. As for the other schools: Stanford: Their recruiting thread is literally very worried about their extremely thin middle position because they're not getting enough recruits there Minnesota: There was literally a point earlier this offseason where Minnesota had ONE starting middle on their roster. Pitt: Quick, how many players are in their 2025 class? Oh wait, ONLY two? Wow, and look at Wisconsin, with 5, jesus, why is Pitt failing to get the recruits? Recruiting comes in ebbs and flows. Some classes will have many people, and some classes won't. But apparently you need every class to have 3-4 top recruits every time. Maybe switch to following Nebraska/Texas to get that recruiting rush? Honestly we would have been fine this season had Wrobel not been injured and thus stayed, and/or we get an OH transfer. Finally, bad scholarship management? I mean, what's the ultimate point of all of this? To wow you with multiple high recruits? Or is it to go deep in the tourney and hopefully win titles? Because if it's the former, then yeah, it's bad scholarship management. But if it's the latter, then no, Wisconsin has been very successful in that task, second only to Texas recently probably. Yes, 2025 will most likely be a step back, but EVERY school (outside of again, Nebraska and Texas) will every now and then. Hell, Stanford hasn't been back to the Final 4 since the transcendent Plummer class. You seem to have some connections to the program if your claim is to believed, so why don't you go and ask Sheff and staff themselves since you're so burning to get this question answered that you've posted it sooo many times? |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 5, 2024 23:00:03 GMT -5
1st of all f@*$ your "LOLs" and your "LMAOs" and your condescending response. It's an honest question... If the answer is scholarship limits, if you know that's the case, then just answer with that. How did other top schools have 3, 4, 5 top player recruiting classes then with better players than Wrobel and Demps already on their rosters? They had schollie limits too. One could say then the Badgers had poor scholarship management. I'll buy that. Fine. But to say top programs had 3, 4, 5 top recruits, with having schollie limits, and the Badgers could get 1 with worse players and schollie limits doesn't pass the smell test. Other schools have no problem stockpiling talent WITH schollie limits, so why can't the Badgers... (I'm not asking for an answer from you.) Yes, next year, will most likely be a step back, but EVERY school (outside of again, Nebraska and Texas) will every now and then. Also, I actually think we'll be pretty good next year. Franklin, Robinson, Smrek, and Booth is just an incredible lineup, and I think Orzol will benefit from having Charlie setting in a 5-1 (and being an aggressive front row attacker in her own right from what I've seen). I'm not even including CC who is excellent, and I'm actually really interested in seeing Serafinowska as well. The backrow is, as usual for recent years, the real question, but GG, Schumacher, Damrow and Chan are a pretty good stable of BR players. One of them will come good as L and another will be the RS DS. We only really have to worry about keeping Orzol healthy because I think Shadd Ceres will take time, though I have very high hopes for her in the long run. As you say, if Wrobel had stayed we would have been fine, and then Landfair didn't come for what I'm told were technical issues on the academic side. What can you do? I am not that keen on stocking a bench with quality players that never see the court. It's criminal how some programs have wrecked talent on the bench. |
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 5, 2024 23:08:05 GMT -5
As someone reminded people in a MN thread, Alex committed to Oregon in 7th grade, so less likely Cook was competing for a 7th grader, but you never know. Maybe Thibault also going from Oregon to MN had a sizable impact ? Couple that with apparent late interest by The Badgers and taking her to a Mallards game, and it all makes sense. There's a 15 minute interview with Alex Acevedo up on The Gopher Thread. I listened because I was hoping she would talk about "Why Minnesota" and she did.
She touched on all the schools she visited and said she had a great time with the Badger girls. That said, it sounds like Keegan Cook was the front runner from her first day in the portal. He sent her a document outlining his core beliefs and the pillars of his program. She read it the evening she received it and said "This sounds like what I'm looking for".
Her visit to Minnesota reinforced her initial feelings, even though she only met a few of the local players. She also really likes associate head coach Kristen Kelsay and said she's really looking forward to working with her.
So, as they say, "When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras". Keegan Cook got the commitment because she felt that his program has what she wants and he is the guy she wants to play for.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Jun 5, 2024 23:08:48 GMT -5
Yes, next year, will most likely be a step back, but EVERY school (outside of again, Nebraska and Texas) will every now and then. Also, I actually think we'll be pretty good next year. Franklin, Robinson, Smrek, and Booth is just an incredible lineup, and I think Orzol will benefit from having Charlie setting in a 5-1 (and being an aggressive front row attacker in her own right from what I've seen). I'm not even including CC who is excellent, and I'm actually really interested in seeing Serafinowska as well. The backrow is, as usual for recent years, the real question, but GG, Schumacher, Damrow and Chan are a pretty good stable of BR players. One of them will come good as L and another will be the RS DS. We only really have to worry about keeping Orzol healthy because I think Shadd Ceres will take time, though I have very high hopes for her in the long run. As you say, if Wrobel had stayed we would have been fine, and then Landfair didn't come for what I'm told were technical issues on the academic side. What can you do? I am not that keen on stocking a bench with quality players that never see the court. It's criminal how some programs have wrecked talent on the bench. Oh, by next year, I meant 2025 when we lose every single front row hitter outside of Booth lol. For this upcoming year (fall 2024), yeah I agree, we should be a top contender for the title again. We will have an AA-hitter at every position besides OH2, and Charlie has AA-potential. If the libero's passing can just be merely good we can beat anyone. |
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Post by pull3 on Jun 5, 2024 23:25:36 GMT -5
Carlini gets her shot and moves on, leaving 2028 wide open for Charlie; i like it.
Charlie is too young. Carlini, Rettke, Booth and Frank in 2028!
If only Smrek wasn't Canadian......... Olympic Badgers team LOL.
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Whether they still have Demps or Wrobel have everything to do with the recruiting classes of '22 and '23 lol? Those are two scholarship players, where tf else do you think the scholarships would be coming from while we still had them to recruit for '22 and '23 lol?? In fact, Wrobel WAS a '22 class player, and a top 10 one at that too, so there's your '22. Demps was supposed to take up a pin scholarship for '22, and then she let, and we went out and tried to do the best with the scholarship that we could by getting TTA. And again, for '23, we didn't think we would need a pin hitter, because Wrobel is supposed to be here, and she also left, and now we're stuck here, and now suddenly we have a scholarship open. Unless you're suggesting we should have stripped Wrobel of her scholarship last year and went out and recruit for the class of '23 lmao. There's a thing called a scholarship limit, and to try to somehow say we should stockpile talent as if we can just ignore those limits is crazy. 
