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Post by robtearle on Aug 30, 2024 14:22:56 GMT -5
I think people need to adjust to the idea that we might not host Super Regionals. If they hadn't already, then I think maybe they came into this season with unreasonable expectations. Among the detriments we have: 1. We practiced this Spring with a setter not projected to start, and who so far hasn't earned even a look at a double sub situation (which would be perfectly reasonable considering our running the 6-2 the last two seasons and the fact that we have the personnel). It's possible that we're simply doing this to give Charlie every rep possible, but that's because... 2. We're working with a setter who hadn't formally practiced with the team before August. There are going to be growing pains. Speaking of pains... 3. We have two of our best hitters and one of our most important players hobbled with different stages of ankle injuries. In addition to not being at full strength for games, this means they can't practice hard either, denying valuable reps with the new setter. Speaking of practice... 4. We don't have a team which can play 6 on 6 in practice. This means players aren't going against full-strength defenses when they practice hitting or live offenses when they practice defense, denying them valuable feedback against top competition in practice. All this adds up to us getting up to speed more slowly as the season starts, which means more losses. 0-3 would suck, but 0-3 vs three top 6 teams in the country (well, top 5 after we get kicked out) is just not as devastating. They have male players (I assume from the UW club team) who practice with them. That means they can go 6-on-6 when they want to. |
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Post by neatwithatwist on Aug 30, 2024 16:21:19 GMT -5
I'll have to check the rotation from tuesday. I'm not sure why Sheffield would have left TSC in the front row with the setter for two rotations instead of Franklin. On it's face that doesn't seem like the best option. Charlie front row with TSC means Franklin is back row, ready to back-row attack; so three setting options. Charlie back row with Frank in front gives her three front row setting options. The rotation was set to give Charlie three options as often as possible? Add the fact that Charlie is a legal hitter during those rotations. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 31, 2024 0:22:09 GMT -5
I think people need to adjust to the idea that we might not host Super Regionals. If they hadn't already, then I think maybe they came into this season with unreasonable expectations. Among the detriments we have: 1. We practiced this Spring with a setter not projected to start, and who so far hasn't earned even a look at a double sub situation (which would be perfectly reasonable considering our running the 6-2 the last two seasons and the fact that we have the personnel). It's possible that we're simply doing this to give Charlie every rep possible, but that's because... 2. We're working with a setter who hadn't formally practiced with the team before August. There are going to be growing pains. Speaking of pains... 3. We have two of our best hitters and one of our most important players hobbled with different stages of ankle injuries. In addition to not being at full strength for games, this means they can't practice hard either, denying valuable reps with the new setter. Speaking of practice... 4. We don't have a team which can play 6 on 6 in practice. This means players aren't going against full-strength defenses when they practice hitting or live offenses when they practice defense, denying them valuable feedback against top competition in practice. All this adds up to us getting up to speed more slowly as the season starts, which means more losses. 0-3 would suck, but 0-3 vs three top 6 teams in the country (well, top 5 after we get kicked out) is just not as devastating. They have male players (I assume from the UW club team) who practice with them. That means they can go 6-on-6 when they want to. I actually had wondered about that. I'll step back halfway on my #4 - because male practice players have different types of strengths and weakness than women's D1-level players, the experience of 6v6 in practice does not replicate a game as well as a 6v6 would against other teammates also competing for a starting spot. But thanks for the correction/clarification. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 31, 2024 5:58:50 GMT -5
They have male players (I assume from the UW club team) who practice with them. That means they can go 6-on-6 when they want to. I actually had wondered about that. I'll step back halfway on my #4 - because male practice players have different types of strengths and weakness than women's D1-level players, the experience of 6v6 in practice does not replicate a game as well as a 6v6 would against other teammates also competing for a starting spot. But thanks for the correction/clarification. These are male club players on one of the best non division one college teams. I'm curious what you think the differences are. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 31, 2024 9:33:33 GMT -5
I actually had wondered about that. I'll step back halfway on my #4 - because male practice players have different types of strengths and weakness than women's D1-level players, the experience of 6v6 in practice does not replicate a game as well as a 6v6 would against other teammates also competing for a starting spot. But thanks for the correction/clarification. These are male club players on one of the best non division one college teams. I'm curious what you think the differences are. I'm not implying better/worse as much as saying that a high-level men's club player is going to play in a different way than a college women's player. Different strengths and weaknesses, maybe better in some areas than others. Maybe in certain areas it becomes an even more valuable experience - but it's going to be different than playing against women, and thus less like a game experience. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 31, 2024 12:05:12 GMT -5
These are male club players on one of the best non division one college teams. I'm curious what you think the differences are. I'm not implying better/worse as much as saying that a high-level men's club player is going to play in a different way than a college women's player. Different strengths and weaknesses, maybe better in some areas than others. Maybe in certain areas it becomes an even more valuable experience - but it's going to be different than playing against women, and thus less like a game experience. As someone who has been one of these 'college guys' in a high level women's gym, it's not really a difference. Coaches will usually just tell us to not max jump or not hit the ball as hard as we can when playing against the girls and that usually irons out the advantages that men have. Every once in a while we "accidentally  " do something they will likely never see in the ncaa, and coaches are quick to remind us not to. In my experience, I was told exactly what to emulate and how to play in order to prepare the starters for what they would be seeing in their next match. We're not going in there and playing our own personal style of volleyball against them, we're constantly changing depending on what the coach is asking for in that moment. I had to imitate aiko jones and Claire chausse in the same practice one time for example. |
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Post by gazelle1 on Aug 31, 2024 12:47:54 GMT -5
I'm not implying better/worse as much as saying that a high-level men's club player is going to play in a different way than a college women's player. Different strengths and weaknesses, maybe better in some areas than others. Maybe in certain areas it becomes an even more valuable experience - but it's going to be different than playing against women, and thus less like a game experience. As someone who has been one of these 'college guys' in a high level women's gym, it's not really a difference. Coaches will usually just tell us to not max jump or not hit the ball as hard as we can when playing against the girls and that usually irons out the advantages that men have. Every once in a while we "accidentally " do something they will likely never see in the ncaa, and coaches are quick to remind us not to. In my experience, I was told exactly what to emulate and how to play in order to prepare the starters for what they would be seeing in their next match. We're not going in there and playing our own personal style of volleyball against them, we're constantly changing depending on what the coach is asking for in that moment. I had to imitate aiko jones and Claire chausse in the same practice one time for example. Thanks for that input. That is interesting. I would have thought a coach would want the male assistants to jump as high as they can and hit as hard as they can so that when the female players went head-to-head with other female players it would seem easier by comparison. I suppose there are health/injury concerns that would factor in here. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 31, 2024 13:49:53 GMT -5
As someone who has been one of these 'college guys' in a high level women's gym, it's not really a difference. Coaches will usually just tell us to not max jump or not hit the ball as hard as we can when playing against the girls and that usually irons out the advantages that men have. Every once in a while we "accidentally " do something they will likely never see in the ncaa, and coaches are quick to remind us not to. In my experience, I was told exactly what to emulate and how to play in order to prepare the starters for what they would be seeing in their next match. We're not going in there and playing our own personal style of volleyball against them, we're constantly changing depending on what the coach is asking for in that moment. I had to imitate aiko jones and Claire chausse in the same practice one time for example. Thanks for that input. That is interesting. I would have thought a coach would want the male assistants to jump as high as they can and hit as hard as they can so that when the female players went head-to-head with other female players it would seem easier by comparison. I suppose there are health/injury concerns that would factor in here. There's some give and take forsure, and there are times we take full swings at them. When I had to imitate Kendall kipp, I was pretty much taking full swings and max jumping on blocks. We would still aim to make it pretty difficult on them, and i'd be aiming to hit right around .300 or so when I was on the pins, so we were definitely giving them similar competition to what they would be seeing from the very best If you were to come and watch a practice and all the male players decided to hit and jump as hard as they can, you would quickly understand why we don't do that lol |
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Post by Pepperjack on Aug 31, 2024 16:21:32 GMT -5
From a recent Milwaukee college grad. I hope this helps fans headed to the city for the Showcase this weekend!
Attractions:
- Harley Davidson Museum (celebrating the more than 100-year history of Harley-Davidson motorcycles)
- Milwaukee Art Museum
-Miller Brewery Tour
-Mitchell Park Horticultural Conservatory/ Domes
For Families:
-Betty Brin Children’s Museum
-Old World Wisconsin
Bars:
- Bryant’s (Milwaukee’s Oldest Cocktail Lounge, Instead of a menu, expert bartenders and servers will help you find a cocktail that you will love)
-Shakers Cigar Bar
- The Outsider
-Blu
Beer:
-Lakefront Brewery
Third Space
Mobcraft
Places to eat:
-Milwaukee Public Market
-Sobleman’s (amazing burgers and loaded bloody Mary’s)
-Onesto
-Mader’s (German)
-Kopp’s Frozen Custard
Enjoy your time in Milwaukee!
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Aug 31, 2024 16:55:06 GMT -5
From a recent Milwaukee college grad. I hope this helps fans headed to the city for the Showcase this weekend! Attractions: - Harley Davidson Museum (celebrating the more than 100-year history of Harley-Davidson motorcycles) - Milwaukee Art Museum -Miller Brewery Tour -Mitchell Park Horticultural Conservatory/ Domes For Families: -Betty Brin Children’s Museum -Old World Wisconsin Bars: - Bryant’s (Milwaukee’s Oldest Cocktail Lounge, Instead of a menu, expert bartenders and servers will help you find a cocktail that you will love) -Shakers Cigar Bar - The Outsider -Blu Beer: -Lakefront Brewery Third Space Mobcraft Places to eat: -Milwaukee Public Market -Sobleman’s (amazing burgers and loaded bloody Mary’s) -Onesto -Mader’s -Kopp’s Frozen Custard Enjoy your time in Milwaukee! Thank you! Just landed in Milwaukee and can’t wait for tomorrow! |
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 31, 2024 17:19:39 GMT -5
I’m at wizard brewing in the third ward after walking the 3rd ward art festival, which is on tomorrow too. Thinking about eating at the public market (which looks great) or Bravette La Boucherie which is next to Onestos, depending on how late and if I want to splurge.
I hope I can get to the art museum when it’s open, but the game times don’t cooperate!
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Post by 25or624 on Aug 31, 2024 18:48:18 GMT -5
I was most interested in: Sheffield was pleased with freshman setter Charlie Fuerbringer’s debut. “I really liked how Charlie approached the match and how she conducted herself,” he said. ...
"And then by the end we’re hitting right at people. We’re not reading the block. We’re hitting it right in the middle of the court. Whether that’s fatigue or mentally we were just in a different place there. I was frustrated with the way the last few points of the match were scored. When the match was on the line and balls getting blocked, we’re just watching balls hit the floor. That tells me it was a team that was frustrated for whatever means, or tired, rather than just being gritty." ...
One of Sheffield’s primary concerns is getting his team healthy. Outside hitters Sarah Franklin and Julia Orzol and opposite Anna Smrek have all been dealing with ankle injuries and Sheffield gave Franklin and Orzol three days off from practice to hopefully expedite their recovery. “We’ve got some players that, A, need to get healthy and, B, need to get in the practice gym,” he said. “We looked like we had some players who hadn’t been practicing, which is just a fact. We’ve got to get healthier so we can get some connectivity to our play.” |
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Post by tacojohn on Aug 31, 2024 20:44:21 GMT -5
I think the big concern is that with this loss it looks entirely possible that Wisconsin starts the season 0-3. If that happens, it would mean that for Wisconsin to have a hope of being a regional host for the NCAA tournament they will need to almost run the table in B1G conference play. I don't think anyone is going undefeated in B1G conference play this year. There are too many good teams in the conference. I think it is critical that Wisconsin win at least one of these next two matches against Texas and Stanford. The good news is that it is doable. Texas will be playing their first match of the season, and Stanford won't be as intimidating without Kipp and Baird. Hopefully Orzol will be back healthy this weekend. I get it. They have film to watch and wil make adjustments. Getting healthy via key as well. I expect them to win both games. Yes they have a new system and will play differently then last year. But they have a lot of talent on the floor, have 4 All-Americans, and have played in many big time matches. We can talk x's and o's all day long, but at the end of the day it's going to come down to attitude, grittiness and will to win when teams have somewhat equal talent. X's and o's didn't mean much last year in the final four. Texas was going to win, and no adjustments by WI or Nebraska were going to change it. It's on sheffield and the seniors to get the attitude and effort corrected. My opinion. Could be wrong and im not ripping on your take as it makes sense to me. Lots of new pieces involved this year. Big believer in attitude and effort and how it is the ultimate x factor over time. We'll see tomorrow! |
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 31, 2024 21:58:41 GMT -5
I was most interested in: Sheffield was pleased with freshman setter Charlie Fuerbringer’s debut. “I really liked how Charlie approached the match and how she conducted herself,” he said. ...
"And then by the end we’re hitting right at people. We’re not reading the block. We’re hitting it right in the middle of the court. Whether that’s fatigue or mentally we were just in a different place there. I was frustrated with the way the last few points of the match were scored. When the match was on the line and balls getting blocked, we’re just watching balls hit the floor. That tells me it was a team that was frustrated for whatever means, or tired, rather than just being gritty." ...
One of Sheffield’s primary concerns is getting his team healthy. Outside hitters Sarah Franklin and Julia Orzol and opposite Anna Smrek have all been dealing with ankle injuries and Sheffield gave Franklin and Orzol three days off from practice to hopefully expedite their recovery. “We’ve got some players that, A, need to get healthy and, B, need to get in the practice gym,” he said. “We looked like we had some players who hadn’t been practicing, which is just a fact. We’ve got to get healthier so we can get some connectivity to our play.”The grittiness to be locked and commit to covering hitters is an important part of badger success, and it often doesn’t happen from the get go. You often need to have a gritty blue collar personality back there. I think Schumacher could be that personality. GG can do that in defense. I will note that the last instagram footage that the program posted had Orzol hitting in practice at Fiserv today. The players may be rusty, but I’m hoping they are at least healthy. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 1, 2024 7:50:11 GMT -5
Six years ago today - Sept 1, 2018 - Hilley and Dana and Haggerty and Loberg beat #2 Texas at the Field House.
It was fun. Let's do it again.
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" do something they will likely never see in the ncaa, and coaches are quick to remind us not to.
