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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2024 23:37:46 GMT -5
Minnesota match #1 (Lydia Grote was 16 points won, 11 times serve lost) Points scored during the serve of server: Orzol: 11 points scored, 8 times serve lost GG: 7 point scored, 11 times serve lost Franklin: 11 points scored, 11 times serve lost CC: 1 point scored, 2 times serve lost Schumacher: 5 point scored, 11 times serve lost Charlie: 2 points scored, 9 times serve lost Devyn: 4 points scored, 5 times serve lost ----------- Sideout percents by server for the year (lower number the better) Charlie: 0.615 Orzol: 0.542 GG: 0.482 Franklin: 0.536 Schumacher: 0.646 CC: 0.621 Devyn: 0.638 Smrek: 0.714 Chan: 0.429 Carly: 0.529 Van Wie: 0500 Damrow: 0500 So we basically have 3 acceptable servers this year among players with real service reps in Orzol, GG, and Franklin? It's September. I am not ready to declare what we do or do not have. I'm sure others will be happy to do so, but I'm not playing that game.
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Post by wiguy94 on Sept 25, 2024 23:38:00 GMT -5
So we basically have 3 acceptable servers this year among players with real service reps in Orzol, GG, and Franklin? Yeah. It's problem. But Franklin has taken a step up. Maybe some others can too. What were CC's service numbers last year? I feel like she was pretty good.
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Post by wiguy94 on Sept 25, 2024 23:38:53 GMT -5
So we basically have 3 acceptable servers this year among players with real service reps in Orzol, GG, and Franklin? It's September. I am not ready to declare what we do or do not have. I'm sure others will be happy to do so, but I'm not playing that game. Well obviously I meant to this point.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 25, 2024 23:39:27 GMT -5
Yeah. It's problem. But Franklin has taken a step up. Maybe some others can too. What were CC's service numbers last year? I feel like she was pretty good. I leave that to Rob. But my sense is that, while she had some good runs at critical times, overall her numbers were only so so.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2024 23:39:54 GMT -5
Yeah. It's problem. But Franklin has taken a step up. Maybe some others can too. What were CC's service numbers last year? I feel like she was pretty good. 0.560 Playing with two grad setters, and three front row attackers at all times.
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Post by swaggyp on Sept 25, 2024 23:50:48 GMT -5
Minnesota match #1 (Lydia Grote was 16 points won, 11 times serve lost) Points scored during the serve of server: Orzol: 11 points scored, 8 times serve lost GG: 7 point scored, 11 times serve lost Franklin: 11 points scored, 11 times serve lost CC: 1 point scored, 2 times serve lost Schumacher: 5 point scored, 11 times serve lost Charlie: 2 points scored, 9 times serve lost Devyn: 4 points scored, 5 times serve lost ----------- Sideout percents by server for the year (lower number the better) Charlie: 0.615 Orzol: 0.542 GG: 0.482 Franklin: 0.536 Schumacher: 0.646 CC: 0.621 Devyn: 0.638 Smrek: 0.714 Chan: 0.429 Carly: 0.529 Van Wie: 0500 Damrow: 0500 So we basically have 3 acceptable servers this year among players with real service reps in Orzol, GG, and Franklin? IMO this is _at least_ as much to blame as the Libero play. I dont have the stats but eye test wise I feel like Bucky is playing out of system much, much more than opponents. Dev had at least one bad serve at a bad time, but she is at least putting good pressure on with her serves. Izzy and M.J. were such studs for this program in 100 ways but this was one.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 25, 2024 23:51:41 GMT -5
Yes, the middle attack is absent, but there were many times tonight in transition where GG couldn't even pass a simple dig to make it easier for Charlie. Not to mention, when on SR you're running marathons to throw balls to the pins, it's also hard to build middle connections. Those are the times when she's supposed to be able to just stand in her spot and deliver to the middles, which will then help with the chemistry during the chaos of transitions. I'm not sure how many good passes we had tonight where we were able to run the middle. My problem was after that, in the time when Charlie was in position to make a set, but made a risky choice she couldn't pull off, or missed a set behind her so a full swing couldn't be taken. (I could also blame booth for always immediately trying to put a slight overpass down and never ever succeeding.) Later in the season when Charlie has more experience, we win those points and the match. But right now she has barely had a month with these hitters in these situations and it's not there yet. I agree GG was not good this match, but Lola was passing a lot worse than her the two or three matches coming in to the match, according to Avid's data, and I didn't see anyone passing well against that serving tonight. It's tempting to point fingers because we like individuals to hold responsible, but I don't think she was the only or even the critical weak link. That is too easy. The badgers had opportunities to win regardless and they did not take them. I have been pro Lola since before the season began. I have argued over the spring and summer that she would play an outsized role this year. But they don't win the NC if they depend on perfect passing. Whether Schumacher takes the L role will not determine if they can win in Dec. They need to pass better, but they also need to take care of situations that present themselves better. They are not doing that right now at the required level. Sure, I don't disagree that Charlie gets too adventurous right now for her own good and her location and tempo are still pretty off a lot. She led Smrek at least twice right into the antenna tonight, and that last set to Booth was a bad set. That definitely played a part, maybe even a large part, in Smrek's and Booth's struggles tonight and this season in general (more Smrek than Booth, who I can't recall even putting down a single overpass this year so far). The thing with GG is, when she struggles, she completely breaks down mentally. We've seen this over and over again. It was evident tonight. She started hitting serves out (5 tonight) and she was unable to dig anything remotely hard hit right at her. Even her bump set calling card was off. Yeah, putting in Lola might not have changed the passing if the past few games' Lola make an appearance, but she at least doesn't break down in all aspects of her game. And we least have an unknown ceiling with Lola, while we know what GG's ceiling is. If we were already going to experiment with the middles trying to find the best combo, why can't Lola at least ride out her rough patches that all freshman have? Not to mention, GG was really struggling, why not pull her to give her some mental reset the way he does with Charlie sometimes? It's not like Lola could have done much worse. Edit: Charlie also has a habit of taking first touches when other players are right there that force us into bump sets or OOS situations. That need to be drilled out of her, first touches are anyone else but her while second touches are only hers.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 0:06:14 GMT -5
BTW. Does anyone remember what happened the last season the badgers lost the first B1G match away to the gophers?
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 26, 2024 0:10:50 GMT -5
BTW. Does anyone remember what happened the last season the badgers lost the first B1G match away to the gophers? We lost in the EE in the Field House as GG forgot how to pass? I'm not sure that type of finish can be thought of as a good thing for this seniors-laden team with the NPOY on it.
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Post by swaggyp on Sept 26, 2024 0:10:56 GMT -5
Edit: Charlie also has a habit of taking first touches when other players are right there that force us into bump sets or OOS situations. That need to be drilled out of her, first touches are anyone else but her while second touches are only hers. I wonder if this is maybe an overcorrection. I’ve noticed it too but I also noticed earlier in the year (the Dark Times) she was not digging balls that the littles seemed to expect her to dig. At that time my theory was (I’m not saying my theory was correct, just my theory at that time) was that Charlie believed she could set a good second ball out of that play if the back row could get the ball up, but that the back row didn’t have experience with that kind of setter yet. I don’t have a firm Take on this yet.
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 26, 2024 0:21:03 GMT -5
Punzel is online already. Read these excerpts and weep.
But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way.
“When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at.
“We had them out of system almost the entire match,” Sheffield said. “I think they passed 1.4, 1.5. When you have your opponent passing 1.4 or 1.5, you’ve got to win that match.”
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
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Post by honeybadger88 on Sept 26, 2024 0:27:55 GMT -5
My problem was after that, in the time when Charlie was in position to make a set, but made a risky choice she couldn't pull off, or missed a set behind her so a full swing couldn't be taken. (I could also blame booth for always immediately trying to put a slight overpass down and never ever succeeding.) Later in the season when Charlie has more experience, we win those points and the match. But right now she has barely had a month with these hitters in these situations and it's not there yet. I agree GG was not good this match, but Lola was passing a lot worse than her the two or three matches coming in to the match, according to Avid's data, and I didn't see anyone passing well against that serving tonight. It's tempting to point fingers because we like individuals to hold responsible, but I don't think she was the only or even the critical weak link. That is too easy. The badgers had opportunities to win regardless and they did not take them. I have been pro Lola since before the season began. I have argued over the spring and summer that she would play an outsized role this year. But they don't win the NC if they depend on perfect passing. Whether Schumacher takes the L role will not determine if they can win in Dec. They need to pass better, but they also need to take care of situations that present themselves better. They are not doing that right now at the required level. Sure, I don't disagree that Charlie gets too adventurous right now for her own good and her location and tempo are still pretty off a lot. She led Smrek at least twice right into the antenna tonight, and that last set to Booth was a bad set. That definitely played a part, maybe even a large part, in Smrek's and Booth's struggles tonight and this season in general (more Smrek than Booth, who I can't recall even putting down a single overpass this year so far). The thing with GG is, when she struggles, she completely breaks down mentally. We've seen this over and over again. It was evident tonight. She started hitting serves out (5 tonight) and she was unable to dig anything remotely hard hit right at her. Even her bump set calling card was off. Yeah, putting in Lola might not have changed the passing if the past few games' Lola make an appearance, but she at least doesn't break down in all aspects of her game. And we least have an unknown ceiling with Lola, while we know what GG's ceiling is. If we were already going to experiment with the middles trying to find the best combo, why can't Lola at least ride out her rough patches that all freshman have? Not to mention, GG was really struggling, why not pull her to give her some mental reset the way he does with Charlie sometimes? It's not like Lola could have done much worse. Edit: Charlie also has a habit of taking first touches when other players are right there that force us into bump sets or OOS situations. That need to be drilled out of her, first touches are anyone else but her while second touches are only hers. We can't expect Charlie to be final season Hilley good in her first season. Hitter chemistry develops over years of connection not within a few matches and practices. Seems like Lola is more composed than GG. I think with the way the team is playing and if there is no consistency and improvement from the team from the passing, serving, hitting, setting and blocking plus forms of some players like Carter and such, then the team at best's ceiling is Sweet 16 and that's not even guaranteed.
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Post by babyhusker on Sept 26, 2024 6:42:02 GMT -5
It seems like Sheffield is looking at the middle situation like it’s either CC or Devyn and Booth is a given. Except…Booth is comparatively underperforming? Especially on the block. Is there a chance he sits her?
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 7:53:19 GMT -5
I dunno, I kind of think coach overestimates his abilities.
If we still have subs left I think it was 16-16 in the 5th set, Devyn absolutely should not be serving in that spot. She has proven to in the past get overhyped and serve it long.
And if the Badgers are to realize our potential this year, Gúlce cannot be the libero. What previously was confined to bouts of really bad serve receive play has spread to her passing.
Saige or Lola needs to gain the experience these next several games OR move Orzol to libero and give Shadd-Ceres the experience now so she is able to help when it really matters in the postseason.
Because this is the GG for worse and for better, there isn't some magical switch that can be flipped.
I suppose with a more efficient offense ( major Charlie progression) and a block that doesn't flat out disappear at times we may be able to absorb GG's poor play later in the season. But what should be blatantly obvious at this point is the fact we will not be beating the Penn States, Nebraskas, or Minnesotss this season with her wearing that shirt or can we advance deep in the postseason.
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Post by pepperjack on Sept 26, 2024 7:53:40 GMT -5
It seems like Sheffield is looking at the middle situation like it’s either CC or Devyn and Booth is a given. Except…Booth is comparatively underperforming? Especially on the block. Is there a chance he sits her? Booth has been regressing and it worries me. There hasn’t been any injury announcements, I wonder if something is going on in her personal life? How and why could she be so stagnant? I would have never predicted this outcome for her. I truly hope whatever she’s going through (physical, mental, emotional) can be improved, because it’s noticeable from the hour we see her on the screen once or twice a week.
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