|
Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 12:20:57 GMT -5
They did, they brought in Robinson, Hammill and Demps, and then they brought in Smrek, Orzol and Jardine. Two classes, 6 scholarships. GG, Daimrow... and then supplemented that with Franklin, Booth and TTA. But building like this usually comes with an end date. It's hard to retool with freshman on the fly but if you are going to do it, Feurbringer is a good start. If anything, Sheffield should be praised for his roster management in the last three years. Given each player normally has four years they can play and there are 12 scholarships, on average three scholarship players should join the team each year. As mentioned, indeed, the entering class of 2020 and 2021 each had three scholarship players join from high school. But in 2022 and 2023, it was only two players and one player from high school. Instead, for 2022 and 2023 we got transfers Franklin, Booth and TTA — all successes. Given that COVID was raging and impacting high school recruiting, Sheffield’s roster choices were amazingly good. Contrast that with what happened at Ohio State during that time. Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe.
|
|
|
Post by mistabeez on Dec 19, 2023 12:30:52 GMT -5
Speaking of which if Anthouli would've been at UW I wonder if they get a Booth or Franklin...as I was telling a friend of mine the other day I'm sure they will be busy in the portal getting someone who wants to come a contender; I'm glad the ones they've got from the portal have made an impact since Clark, Barnes, Boyer....
I'm hoping Landfair next though that's a reach especially with the other ranked contenders that I'm sure are talking to her as I'm typing this....
If anything, Sheffield should be praised for his roster management in the last three years. Given each player normally has four years they can play and there are 12 scholarships, on average three scholarship players should join the team each year. As mentioned, indeed, the entering class of 2020 and 2021 each had three scholarship players join from high school. But in 2022 and 2023, it was only two players and one player from high school. Instead, for 2022 and 2023 we got transfers Franklin, Booth and TTA — all successes. Given that COVID was raging and impacting high school recruiting, Sheffield’s roster choices were amazingly good. Contrast that with what happened at Ohio State during that time. Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe.
|
|
|
Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 19, 2023 12:36:02 GMT -5
If anything, Sheffield should be praised for his roster management in the last three years. Given each player normally has four years they can play and there are 12 scholarships, on average three scholarship players should join the team each year. As mentioned, indeed, the entering class of 2020 and 2021 each had three scholarship players join from high school. But in 2022 and 2023, it was only two players and one player from high school. Instead, for 2022 and 2023 we got transfers Franklin, Booth and TTA — all successes. Given that COVID was raging and impacting high school recruiting, Sheffield’s roster choices were amazingly good. Contrast that with what happened at Ohio State during that time. Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. True it was fortunate players of that quality were available in the portal, but some credit is due to Sheffield in getting them to come to Wisconsin. I don’t understand your comment about the 2024 and 2025 classes, since they feature several elite high school recruits.
|
|
|
Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 12:57:21 GMT -5
Speaking of which if Anthouli would've been at UW I wonder if they get a Booth or Franklin...as I was telling a friend of mine the other day I'm sure they will be busy in the portal getting someone who wants to come a contender; I'm glad the ones they've got from the portal have made an impact since Clark, Barnes, Boyer....
I'm hoping Landfair next though that's a reach especially with the other ranked contenders that I'm sure are talking to her as I'm typing this....
Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. Thinking they'd get both but we'll never know.
|
|
|
Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 12:59:46 GMT -5
Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. True it was fortunate players of that quality were available in the portal, but some credit is due to Sheffield in getting them to come to Wisconsin. I don’t understand your comment about the 2024 and 2025 classes, since they feature several elite high school recruits. I'm saying that the '24 & '25 classes are great and plentiful, so that leads me to believe it was just unusual circumstances related to COVID for the '22 & '23 classes.
|
|
|
Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 19, 2023 13:18:13 GMT -5
True it was fortunate players of that quality were available in the portal, but some credit is due to Sheffield in getting them to come to Wisconsin. I don’t understand your comment about the 2024 and 2025 classes, since they feature several elite high school recruits. I'm saying that the '24 & '25 classes are great and plentiful, so that leads me to believe it was just unusual circumstances related to COVID for the '22 & '23 classes. Okay. I think I misread the undertone when you wrote, “I'm going to ask Coach Sheffield at the clinic next summer why the low recruiting numbers for '22 & '23.” I thought that was a veiled criticism, but I guess not. I personally think they weren’t able to recruit at the high school level the way they wanted during COVID and so decided to take a pass for those classes, especially since front-row high school recruits require more years of commitment, and try their luck in the portal instead. It turns out that approach worked well.
|
|
|
Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 13:30:16 GMT -5
I'm saying that the '24 & '25 classes are great and plentiful, so that leads me to believe it was just unusual circumstances related to COVID for the '22 & '23 classes. Okay. I think I misread the undertone when you wrote, “I'm going to ask Coach Sheffield at the clinic next summer why the low recruiting numbers for '22 & '23.” I thought that was a veiled criticism, but I guess not. I personally think they weren’t able to recruit at the high school level the way they wanted during COVID and so decided to take a pass for those classes, especially since front-row high school recruits require more years of commitment, and try their luck in the portal instead. It turns out that approach worked well. I don't veil my criticisms... I'm just really curious and would love to know.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 14:10:34 GMT -5
Speaking of which if Anthouli would've been at UW I wonder if they get a Booth or Franklin...as I was telling a friend of mine the other day I'm sure they will be busy in the portal getting someone who wants to come a contender; I'm glad the ones they've got from the portal have made an impact since Clark, Barnes, Boyer....
I'm hoping Landfair next though that's a reach especially with the other ranked contenders that I'm sure are talking to her as I'm typing this....
Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. Is there a possibility that Kelly, Britt, and the rest of the coaching staff would take the risk of upsetting Carter by recruiting Taylor, considering the rumored beef between them?
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Dec 19, 2023 14:20:04 GMT -5
Speaking of which if Anthouli would've been at UW I wonder if they get a Booth or Franklin...as I was telling a friend of mine the other day I'm sure they will be busy in the portal getting someone who wants to come a contender; I'm glad the ones they've got from the portal have made an impact since Clark, Barnes, Boyer....
I'm hoping Landfair next though that's a reach especially with the other ranked contenders that I'm sure are talking to her as I'm typing this....
Is there a possibility that Kelly, Britt, and the rest of the coaching staff would take the risk of upsetting Carter by recruiting Taylor, considering the rumored beef between them? The going feeling I have is that the badgers won't be in for Landfair. My feeling is that we have other issues to address and Taylor isn't an OH2. Orzol might even start ahead of her given the solidity and energy she provides in the BR. I could be wrong, and it depends on what other capacity is in the squad, but rumor is she want's to play 6 ro and I don't Sheff goes for that based on what we've seen in Minnie. All the other stuff is rumor, but if Carter has insight they will know it.
|
|
|
Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 14:31:29 GMT -5
Speaking of which if Anthouli would've been at UW I wonder if they get a Booth or Franklin...as I was telling a friend of mine the other day I'm sure they will be busy in the portal getting someone who wants to come a contender; I'm glad the ones they've got from the portal have made an impact since Clark, Barnes, Boyer....
I'm hoping Landfair next though that's a reach especially with the other ranked contenders that I'm sure are talking to her as I'm typing this....
Is there a possibility that Kelly, Britt, and the rest of the coaching staff would take the risk of upsetting Carter by recruiting Taylor, considering the rumored beef between them? From what I understand, there isn't interest in Landfair.
|
|
|
Post by pull3 on Dec 19, 2023 14:34:09 GMT -5
May I have Hudson for Christmas please?
|
|
|
Post by 25or624 on Dec 19, 2023 14:34:27 GMT -5
Is there a possibility that Kelly, Britt, and the rest of the coaching staff would take the risk of upsetting Carter by recruiting Taylor, considering the rumored beef between them? The going feeling I have is that the badgers won't be in for Landfair. My feeling is that we have other issues to address and Taylor isn't an OH2. Orzol might even start ahead of her given the solidity and energy she provides in the BR. I could be wrong, and it depends on what other capacity is in the squad, but rumor is she want's to play 6 ro and I donk Sheff goes for that based on what we've seen in Minnie. All the other stuff is rumor, but if Carter has insight they will know it. There is a lot of Landfair-related talk across VT right now. Much of it seems to assume that 2023 Landfair was an aberration and 2022 Landfair is what her new team is going to get. I hope The Badgers are headed in a different direction.
|
|
|
Post by vbnerd on Dec 19, 2023 14:50:55 GMT -5
If anything, Sheffield should be praised for his roster management in the last three years. Given each player normally has four years they can play and there are 12 scholarships, on average three scholarship players should join the team each year. As mentioned, indeed, the entering class of 2020 and 2021 each had three scholarship players join from high school. But in 2022 and 2023, it was only two players and one player from high school. Instead, for 2022 and 2023 we got transfers Franklin, Booth and TTA — all successes. Given that COVID was raging and impacting high school recruiting, Sheffield’s roster choices were amazingly good. Contrast that with what happened at Ohio State during that time. Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. You said you wanted them to start with high school recruits and supplement with transfers - that's the part I was replying to. That's exactly what they did. If '22 and '23 had used those scholarships on freshman, they wouldn't have been able to go after the transfers, who to chidbdgerfan's point, have worked out really well! Idk that Sheffield is really that worried about where recruits come from. I think his goal was to deliver a national championship to the fans, and once he did that, then for the players that returned from that team, you want to give them the chance to do it again. Think about it, if you are Robinson or Smrek and you started on a NC winning team, as freshman, if your team isn't capable of contending, are you sticking around for 3-4 more years? You start recruiting high school players at 15/16 and in a case like Lauren Jardine she didn't end up to be the player that Sarah Franklin is. Robinson and Smrek may not get a shot at a second title with Jardine, but they do if you go get Franklin. And if you want to recover from Jardine with a high school recruit, there aren't many seniors around in December, you are going to have to target a player who is 2-3 years away, and then what of Robinson and Smrek? The point being that sometimes transfers or taking transfers is seen as disloyal, but if you are being loyal to your team maybe you need to bring in another piece or two to give them the chance to contend, that you promised them when you recruited them. Have some faith. Sit back and let Sheffield and friends do what they do and enjoy the show next year!
|
|
|
Post by maigrey on Dec 19, 2023 17:18:16 GMT -5
I mean, there is a question mark at the end . because she's asking us fans to join her 😁
|
|
|
Post by maigrey on Dec 19, 2023 17:19:01 GMT -5
Wow! Caroline Juravicious and Hayden kubick are officially in the portal. NGL, I would be super-excited to see Juravicious as a Badger. And not just because it would tick off Cook and the entire Husker fanbase... *Disclaimer* - this is purely wishful thinking, I know no details whatsoever about her being interested in Wisconsin. Watch her go to Texas... I don't know if I would want to see Anna or Devyn leave if CJ comes in.
|
|