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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 19, 2023 17:28:26 GMT -5
I don't know if I would want to see Anna or Devyn leave if CJ comes in. I’m beginning to be more concerned about Julia, GG, and Saige. If a big time Libero comes in, there's some shuffling that’s going to happen. Someone who has proven to be a top L will help this team immensely next year, and that probably pushes Orzoł back to the leading OH2 candidate. Having a pair of 6-ro OH’s would allow for a lot of sub DS/SS possibilities.
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Post by lantern on Dec 19, 2023 17:34:25 GMT -5
I don't see Orzol as the solution at OH2, would like to see a bigger arm. Need a hammer at OH2 and any defensive help we can get. A big time Libero that can set and Orzol moves to DH is ideal scenario. With 5-1 next year coach will have more substitutions for serving and defense than he knows what to do with.
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Post by ndodge on Dec 19, 2023 17:35:08 GMT -5
I just know I’ll be at the office when we find out and I’ll be pillow-less so I’ll have to scream in silence. Hey, the work day is almost over!
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Post by blo743 on Dec 19, 2023 18:11:37 GMT -5
I don't see Orzol as the solution at OH2, would like to see a bigger arm. Need a hammer at OH2 and any defensive help we can get. A big time Libero that can set and Orzol moves to DH is ideal scenario. With 5-1 next year coach will have more substitutions for serving and defense than he knows what to do with. Maybe a jade demp’s type role where she comes in to ds and hit out of the back row
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Dec 19, 2023 18:42:42 GMT -5
I just know I’ll be at the office when we find out and I’ll be pillow-less so I’ll have to scream in silence. Hey, the work day is almost over! Lol, made it thru one work day
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 19, 2023 18:45:53 GMT -5
I don't see Orzol as the solution at OH2, would like to see a bigger arm. Need a hammer at OH2 and any defensive help we can get. A big time Libero that can set and Orzol moves to DH is ideal scenario. With 5-1 next year coach will have more substitutions for serving and defense than he knows what to do with. I think a move to a 5-1 is a move to ball control. Half of the solution will be Fuerbringer. The other half will be the subs saved by having 2 6-ro OHs who can both hit out of the BR. Those extra subs will allow the badgers to pass with 3 in all rotations if they want. In that scheme, suddenly Orzol becomes more likely as OH. I am one who thought she was a lot better in 2022 than in 2021, but the passing and setting let her down a lot so you didn't see it in her stats. She had to manage. Hitting 0.240 and passing would be more than we got from Temi this year. We'll see what happens though.
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Post by badgerguru on Dec 19, 2023 18:57:37 GMT -5
NGL, I would be super-excited to see Juravicious as a Badger. And not just because it would tick off Cook and the entire Husker fanbase... *Disclaimer* - this is purely wishful thinking, I know no details whatsoever about her being interested in Wisconsin. Watch her go to Texas... I don't know if I would want to see Anna or Devyn leave if CJ comes in. There could be a world with all three of them on the team, CJ comes to play for the badgers as OH2 for a year. Then we are still stuck with our original log jam on Opp/MB. After this 2024 season CJ is moved to RS, which I believe is a pretty big area to cover after this season. So perhaps 1 still transfers out, plus would make sense if that’s why Wrobel chose to leave instead of having her shot of the OH2 (which I feel like was her for the taking, keeping Orzol at lib for another season while we utilize our other DS’s). CJ could be good enough to also be 6-ro. I know I remember Cook saying that she is among the top of their team for simply being an ATHLETE. And that adds a possibility of her being a 6-ro Opp for her remaining 3 years with the badgers after spending the first on the left pin. Wishful thinking for sure, but I have fun with thinking about who could join our team or other teams for that matter.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 19, 2023 19:14:11 GMT -5
Juravicious is a RS and would likely sit behind Smrek at Wisconsin. She’s also from Cleveland, so I could see her going to Michigan or Ohio State (though I’m not familiar with the roster needs of those teams). Her and Wrobbel might both go to Ohio State. I hate me some Buckeyes but that could be fun. Her dad went to Penn State.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 19, 2023 19:16:36 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel?
If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin?
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Post by robtearle on Dec 19, 2023 19:22:30 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Great school. Great team. Great coaches. Great fan base.
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Post by badgerguru on Dec 19, 2023 19:24:07 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Great school. Great team. Great coaches. Great fan base. B1G Championship contenders. National Championship contenders.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 19, 2023 19:25:40 GMT -5
Orzol was an OH on the national championship team. With good setting there is no reason to believe she can’t perform at that position at a very high level. She’ll either be the libero again or back to OH. Sheffield clearly believes having her on the court as much as possible is in the teams best interest. I’d be shocked to see her only as a DS next year.
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 19:43:05 GMT -5
Two for one here. vbnerd, those two classes, 6 scholarships you mentioned were prior to '22-'23 class. And, chibdgrfan, what if those players, or players of that quality, weren't in the portal, or went in the portal and decided to go somewhere else? Then what? For me, seeing the '24 & '25 classes, '22 & '23 classes were a matter of circumstances around COVID and things just didn't work out. They did have Anthouli (sp? from Greece) who committed and backed out, class of '22 I believe. You said you wanted them to start with high school recruits and supplement with transfers - that's the part I was replying to. That's exactly what they did. If '22 and '23 had used those scholarships on freshman, they wouldn't have been able to go after the transfers, who to chidbdgerfan's point, have worked out really well! Idk that Sheffield is really that worried about where recruits come from. I think his goal was to deliver a national championship to the fans, and once he did that, then for the players that returned from that team, you want to give them the chance to do it again. Think about it, if you are Robinson or Smrek and you started on a NC winning team, as freshman, if your team isn't capable of contending, are you sticking around for 3-4 more years? You start recruiting high school players at 15/16 and in a case like Lauren Jardine she didn't end up to be the player that Sarah Franklin is. Robinson and Smrek may not get a shot at a second title with Jardine, but they do if you go get Franklin. And if you want to recover from Jardine with a high school recruit, there aren't many seniors around in December, you are going to have to target a player who is 2-3 years away, and then what of Robinson and Smrek? The point being that sometimes transfers or taking transfers is seen as disloyal, but if you are being loyal to your team maybe you need to bring in another piece or two to give them the chance to contend, that you promised them when you recruited them. Have some faith. Sit back and let Sheffield and friends do what they do and enjoy the show next year! Which recruits did they start with in '22 & '23 and fill in with transfers? '22 maybe? They had 2 and maybe knew 1 had back problems. '23 they had 1 recruit. You can't fill in around recruits if you don't have any recruits to fill in around. At that point, you're hoping the portal grants you a future NPOY and an All-American middle blocker and another middle blocker who is key to your team. What happens these last 2 years if the portal hadn't produced those players but 2nd tier or lower talent instead. What's this last season look like without Franklin, Booth, and Crawford? Are they a top 16 tourney team? Do they make it to the Elite 8 and beyond? Sheffield, Dildine, and White bet on the portal. What if they'd have lost that bet? Which is certainly a possibility.
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Post by wisfan2000 on Dec 19, 2023 20:23:27 GMT -5
Great school. Great team. Great coaches. Great fan base. B1G Championship contenders. National Championship contenders. Also, it's not as if the risk of being recruited over, whether through the portal or otherwise, doesn't exist elsewhere.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 19, 2023 20:26:49 GMT -5
You said you wanted them to start with high school recruits and supplement with transfers - that's the part I was replying to. That's exactly what they did. If '22 and '23 had used those scholarships on freshman, they wouldn't have been able to go after the transfers, who to chidbdgerfan's point, have worked out really well! Idk that Sheffield is really that worried about where recruits come from. I think his goal was to deliver a national championship to the fans, and once he did that, then for the players that returned from that team, you want to give them the chance to do it again. Think about it, if you are Robinson or Smrek and you started on a NC winning team, as freshman, if your team isn't capable of contending, are you sticking around for 3-4 more years? You start recruiting high school players at 15/16 and in a case like Lauren Jardine she didn't end up to be the player that Sarah Franklin is. Robinson and Smrek may not get a shot at a second title with Jardine, but they do if you go get Franklin. And if you want to recover from Jardine with a high school recruit, there aren't many seniors around in December, you are going to have to target a player who is 2-3 years away, and then what of Robinson and Smrek? The point being that sometimes transfers or taking transfers is seen as disloyal, but if you are being loyal to your team maybe you need to bring in another piece or two to give them the chance to contend, that you promised them when you recruited them. Have some faith. Sit back and let Sheffield and friends do what they do and enjoy the show next year! Which recruits did they start with in '22 & '23 and fill in with transfers? '22 maybe? They had 2 and maybe knew 1 had back problems. '23 they had 1 recruit. You can't fill in around recruits if you don't have any recruits to fill in around. At that point, you're hoping the portal grants you a future NPOY and an All-American middle blocker and another middle blocker who is key to your team. What happens these last 2 years if the portal hadn't produced those players but 2nd tier or lower talent instead. What's this last season look like without Franklin, Booth, and Crawford? Are they a top 16 tourney team? Do they make it to the Elite 8 and beyond? Sheffield, Dildine, and White bet on the portal. What if they'd have lost that bet? Which is certainly a possibility. But they didn’t. They had a lot of scholarships tied up and offers to others in the future. Demps and Jardine leaving opened up spots. They used the portal to fill those gaps. They could see how things were going with the portal and that talent was going to be available if they projected things out. Especially with the Covid year being granted and the logjam that was going to create with too many kids at programs and not enough scholarships to go around for those that were promised them. They’ve done a pretty masterful job of navigating this and lining up strong classes in the future while supplementing the roster along the way. Look at the decisions Ohio State was forced into last off season.
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