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Post by wisfan2000 on Dec 19, 2023 20:27:06 GMT -5
Orzol was an OH on the national championship team. With good setting there is no reason to believe she can’t perform at that position at a very high level. She’ll either be the libero again or back to OH. Sheffield clearly believes having her on the court as much as possible is in the teams best interest. I’d be shocked to see her only as a DS next year. I was about to make a similar point. I understand fans wanting a more explosive or terminal OH than Julia, but it seems like there is an erasure of the fact that she was an OH on the championship team. I don't know, maybe there was a feeling last year that she was not developing at that position and had hit her ceiling? But I am really intrigued by this idea that with elite setting she could be recincarnated at the OH position.
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Post by wisfan2000 on Dec 19, 2023 20:31:01 GMT -5
Orzol was an OH on the national championship team. With good setting there is no reason to believe she can’t perform at that position at a very high level. She’ll either be the libero again or back to OH. Sheffield clearly believes having her on the court as much as possible is in the teams best interest. I’d be shocked to see her only as a DS next year. I was about to make a similar point. I understand fans wanting a more explosive or terminal OH than Julia, but it seems like there is an erasure of the fact that she was an OH on the championship team. I don't know, maybe there was a feeling last year that she was not developing at that position and had hit her ceiling? But I am really intrigued by this idea that with elite setting she could be recincarnated at the OH position. I can't remember where it comes from to try to find it and dredge it up (maybe it was in the Punzel book), but pretty sure there was a Sheffield quote about Julia to the effect of "We don't win that 2021 national championship without her."
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 19, 2023 20:52:35 GMT -5
I can't remember where it comes from to try to find it and dredge it up (maybe it was in the Punzel book), but pretty sure there was a Sheffield quote about Julia to the effect of "We don't win that 2021 national championship without her." That sounds about right. I had that thought early in 2021, that she was going to be THE difference maker that would bring us a title. I still think she can be, and this year wearing the L jersey should help her passing and overall game if she goes back to OH. I remember Julia being targeted a good bit in the 2021 tourney, and having some occasional shanks, and she seems to be the one that’s getting targeted the least now. The one thing that we really lost out on in 2023 vs going with TYA was Oz’s blocking. She was pretty solid at blocking for her height, while TTA really didn’t help much there. I hope that she’s able regain that early 2021 form and take back the OH2 position, assuming the L situation gets sorted out quickly.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 19, 2023 21:01:33 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Great school. Great team. Great coaches. Great fan base. and the coaches coach every player, not just the starters.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 19, 2023 21:22:27 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Wrobel's problem in 2022 was that two HS recruits were ahead of her - Demps and Orzol. This year, Orzol, a NC winner., was ahead of her, or she was hurt. Are you suggesting Franklin, the current NPOY, not be accepted into the program so that Wrobel could avoid sitting on the bench one year and maybe get on the team the next? There was a clear path to her being in the team ahead of TTA. She just couldn't take advantage. UW preserved a year of eligibility for her in the process. I will miss the prospect of watching her play. I know it's hard to keep an affinity for a program with changing personnel. It's hard for me to adjust as well. But I think it's also crazy that we have asked student athletes to just live with decisions they made as teenagers and before anyone would understand how context worked out. We don't ask that of students who aren't athletes. That imbalance of power has persisted too long. It will take fans, including me, some time to get used to.
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Dec 19, 2023 21:31:08 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Who is following Wrobel to the portal. Puh-lenty of reasons for a HS prospect to come to Wisconsin. There's what, 11 of them coming in the next 2 years? Some at, at least some of, their own $$$.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 19, 2023 21:39:44 GMT -5
Did the TTA acquisition really cause these exodus starting with Wrobel? If am a HS prospect, why would I come to Wisconsin? Wrobel's problem in 2022 was that two HS recruits were ahead of her - Demps and Orzol. This year, Orzol, a NC winner., was ahead of her, or she was hurt. Are you suggesting Franklin, the current NPOY, not be accepted into the program so that Wrobel could avoid sitting on the bench one year and maybe get on the team the next? There was a clear path to her being in the team ahead of TTA. She just couldn't take advantage. UW preserved a year of eligibility for her in the process. I will miss the prospect of watching her play. I know it's hard to keep an affinity for a program with changing personnel. It's hard for me to adjust as well. But I think it's also crazy that we have asked student athletes to just live with decisions they made as teenagers and before anyone would understand how context worked out. We don't ask that of students who aren't athletes. That imbalance of power has persisted too long. It will take fans, including me, some time to get used to. I still think the decisions are made too soon. But I'm glad the pressure doesn't start officially until after their sophomore year. It's insane to me how early decisions used to be for a lot of these girls.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 19, 2023 21:43:31 GMT -5
Wrobel's problem in 2022 was that two HS recruits were ahead of her - Demps and Orzol. This year, Orzol, a NC winner., was ahead of her, or she was hurt. Are you suggesting Franklin, the current NPOY, not be accepted into the program so that Wrobel could avoid sitting on the bench one year and maybe get on the team the next? There was a clear path to her being in the team ahead of TTA. She just couldn't take advantage. UW preserved a year of eligibility for her in the process. I will miss the prospect of watching her play. I know it's hard to keep an affinity for a program with changing personnel. It's hard for me to adjust as well. But I think it's also crazy that we have asked student athletes to just live with decisions they made as teenagers and before anyone would understand how context worked out. We don't ask that of students who aren't athletes. That imbalance of power has persisted too long. It will take fans, including me, some time to get used to. I still think the decisions are made too soon. But I'm glad the pressure doesn't start officially until after their sophomore year. It's insane to me how early decisions used to be for a lot of these girls. Well, the pandemic made everything hard, and who could have predicted the timing of that? It's had a large hand in reinforcing the transfer trend. Interesting to see if it will play out the same in the long-term, or if transfers will slow.
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Post by vbdiva on Dec 19, 2023 21:48:31 GMT -5
Landfair announcement in t-minus 48 hours. TMZ reports.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Dec 19, 2023 21:49:01 GMT -5
Landfair announcement in t-minus 48 hours. TMZ reports. To WHOM is the question
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Dec 19, 2023 21:50:16 GMT -5
Landfair announcement in t-minus 48 hours. TMZ reports. To WHOM is the question Diva posted it on the Wisconsin thread and not the Minnesota thread, so that probably says something 😕
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Post by vbdiva on Dec 19, 2023 21:52:51 GMT -5
Diva posted it on the Wisconsin thread and not the Minnesota thread, so that probably says something 😕 no, no.... means nothing.... I usually just spend most of my time on Badger Nation things -- someone sent me a text decision made.... that's all
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Dec 19, 2023 22:01:17 GMT -5
Diva posted it on the Wisconsin thread and not the Minnesota thread, so that probably says something 😕 no, no.... means nothing.... I usually just spend most of my time on Badger Nation things -- someone sent me a text decision made.... that's all Ah good to know! 😮💨
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Post by skolgophers on Dec 19, 2023 22:02:49 GMT -5
Landfair announcement in t-minus 48 hours. TMZ reports. If she was going to Wisconsin, one would think she would do it on Christmas Day just to really say “!!!!###$$$!!! you” to MN
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 19, 2023 22:13:53 GMT -5
You said you wanted them to start with high school recruits and supplement with transfers - that's the part I was replying to. That's exactly what they did. If '22 and '23 had used those scholarships on freshman, they wouldn't have been able to go after the transfers, who to chidbdgerfan's point, have worked out really well! Idk that Sheffield is really that worried about where recruits come from. I think his goal was to deliver a national championship to the fans, and once he did that, then for the players that returned from that team, you want to give them the chance to do it again. Think about it, if you are Robinson or Smrek and you started on a NC winning team, as freshman, if your team isn't capable of contending, are you sticking around for 3-4 more years? You start recruiting high school players at 15/16 and in a case like Lauren Jardine she didn't end up to be the player that Sarah Franklin is. Robinson and Smrek may not get a shot at a second title with Jardine, but they do if you go get Franklin. And if you want to recover from Jardine with a high school recruit, there aren't many seniors around in December, you are going to have to target a player who is 2-3 years away, and then what of Robinson and Smrek? The point being that sometimes transfers or taking transfers is seen as disloyal, but if you are being loyal to your team maybe you need to bring in another piece or two to give them the chance to contend, that you promised them when you recruited them. Have some faith. Sit back and let Sheffield and friends do what they do and enjoy the show next year! Which recruits did they start with in '22 & '23 and fill in with transfers? '22 maybe? They had 2 and maybe knew 1 had back problems. '23 they had 1 recruit. You can't fill in around recruits if you don't have any recruits to fill in around. At that point, you're hoping the portal grants you a future NPOY and an All-American middle blocker and another middle blocker who is key to your team. What happens these last 2 years if the portal hadn't produced those players but 2nd tier or lower talent instead. What's this last season look like without Franklin, Booth, and Crawford? Are they a top 16 tourney team? Do they make it to the Elite 8 and beyond? Sheffield, Dildine, and White bet on the portal. What if they'd have lost that bet? Which is certainly a possibility. Now I think you are being intentionally obtuse but I'll explain this one more time. The '22 and '23 classes were to build around Ashburn, Robinson, Hammill, Smrek and Orzol. Smrek and Robinson were middles, they liked them on the right, so they go new middles to allow them to play RS - no uncommitted senior could have allowed them to make that move. They were able to upgrade to Franklin and then TTA was an opportunity in I think someone said February of this year - there's no unsigned senior this spring who was going to be an upgrade from Orzol. Barnes graduated so they were able to plan to bring in a very talented freshman in GG and arguably she was the weakest of the group, so imagine if they went after freshman for all of these positions? Even freshman recruited 2+ years out is a risk (see Jardine and Wrobel). This team was a legit contender for another national championship. It was great work by the staff. The hard part is what comes next, but they are off to a strong start.
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