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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 28, 2023 14:25:07 GMT -5
If portal closes on Jan 1 I feel like she needs to announce her decision by today or tomorrow to allow the other moving pieces a bit of time to react to her decision. This article plus some other posts on here make me think she has a soft commitment to Wisconsin and they are giving her time to make a final decision. I’d think decision by end of day tomorrow would make sense being it’s last business day before holiday weekend. Classes don’t start in Madison until Jan 23rd I think so she has some time to get that figured out if she is coming here. Isn't the Jan 1 date just the deadline for entering the portal? I don't think decisions have to be made by that date. As to her deciding today/tomorrow for others to react, is that really something she even needs to be concerned with? The Jan 1 date matters because it fixes information (namely who is in the portal for the winter), so everyone’s bargaining position changes from then on; basically this has become an auction that ends on Jan 1. It’s not a matter of TL trying to be “concerned” of other players, but she might be.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 28, 2023 15:11:13 GMT -5
While I still think TL is the most likely transfer OH, there are a couple of other OHs in the portal that could be candidates. Since Booth once said that Sheffield told her she should be sure before accepting the offer, I find it likely that Sheffield told TL the same, and TL is doing so. Meanwhile, other pairings are being considered by players and teams, some of them contingent on what TL decides. If portal closes on Jan 1 I feel like she needs to announce her decision by today or tomorrow to allow the other moving pieces a bit of time to react to her decision. This article plus some other posts on here make me think she has a soft commitment to Wisconsin and they are giving her time to make a final decision. I’d think decision by end of day tomorrow would make sense being it’s last business day before holiday weekend. Classes don’t start in Madison until Jan 23rd I think so she has some time to get that figured out if she is coming here. IDK, I feel like she needs to decide on the timeframe that’s right for her. Sheff in the past has been open with people about who else he’s recruiting or has offered for a given position, and about what timeframes he’s working under, and then let the player take it from there given that information. TL doesn’t owe anyone anything.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 28, 2023 16:32:36 GMT -5
If portal closes on Jan 1 I feel like she needs to announce her decision by today or tomorrow to allow the other moving pieces a bit of time to react to her decision. This article plus some other posts on here make me think she has a soft commitment to Wisconsin and they are giving her time to make a final decision. I’d think decision by end of day tomorrow would make sense being it’s last business day before holiday weekend. Classes don’t start in Madison until Jan 23rd I think so she has some time to get that figured out if she is coming here. IDK, I feel like she needs to decide on the timeframe that’s right for her. Sheff in the past has been open with people about who else he’s recruiting or has offered for a given position, and about what timeframes he’s working under, and then let the player take it from there given that information. TL doesn’t owe anyone anything. She absolutely should do what’s best for her. But as been pointed out before, the elite Vb world is pretty small and a lot of these girls know each other and communicate. I don’t think her coming here necessarily changes anything but if she went to say Nebraska, it might shake a transfer or two from there. Of course they could always do the spring portal if it’s obvious after the spring practices how it’s going to shake out.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 28, 2023 17:13:30 GMT -5
Re Ella Wrobel's departure, from the article: ❝[...] “Ella is a great player, a great teammate and she was all the way in,” Sheffield said. “Unfortunately, she hasn’t been able to train the way that she has wanted to for two years. She’s a great competitor but there’s a lot of things she hasn’t been able to do during practices and during the off-seasons. It had her falling further and further behind others. ❝“She wasn’t forced out or asked to leave, but I think playing time in its current form right now would’ve been difficult. I think we were more likely to have Orzol stepping into that outside hitter position next year than Ella. I think she’s probably going to go somewhere where there’s a better pathway to playing.”❞ It appears that- 1. Wrobel was given an honest assessment of where she stood- and decided to transfer, and 2. That assessment put her behind a future portal acquisition, but also (surprisingly?) Julia Orzol. I think this tells you that, outside TL coming in or one of the freshman knocking their socks off, Orzol is the plan on the left side with Franklin. Still not convinced Robinson doesn’t get a look there if they think the need Orzol at Libero to solidify the back row passing. I hate to say this: you do know how passing formations work, right? They maneuver people around so that it's always the OH's and the L as your three passers. You CAN have an outside hitter who doesn't pass, but this involves passing with 2 in at least one rotation (which is not solid), and either passing with 2 or having the DS for the opposite pass the other two rotations. The best way to solidify passing would be to have your three best passers on the team playing as your two starting OH's and your libero. That would be Franklin and Orzol at OH and whoever is our best passing small at libero.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 28, 2023 21:10:26 GMT -5
Last year, Temi didn’t decide until feb 1. TL is in the drivers seat. She can decide the time.
And of course Orzol would be in front of Wrobel - unless they need Julia to be Libero again because one of the smalls can’t take that position.
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Post by swaggyp on Dec 28, 2023 21:32:06 GMT -5
I am hopeful the Libero spot is competitive in the spring. Between the youngsters and GG and (who knows) Oz, there should be lots of competition to get the red jersey.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 28, 2023 22:08:08 GMT -5
I think this tells you that, outside TL coming in or one of the freshman knocking their socks off, Orzol is the plan on the left side with Franklin. Still not convinced Robinson doesn’t get a look there if they think the need Orzol at Libero to solidify the back row passing. I hate to say this: you do know how passing formations work, right? They maneuver people around so that it's always the OH's and the L as your three passers. You CAN have an outside hitter who doesn't pass, but this involves passing with 2 in at least one rotation (which is not solid), and either passing with 2 or having the DS for the opposite pass the other two rotations. The best way to solidify passing would be to have your three best passers on the team playing as your two starting OH's and your libero. That would be Franklin and Orzol at OH and whoever is our best passing small at libero. I get that but Sheffield has talked about Robinson being able to play 6 rotations in the past. Of course he could have been just trying to build her up. If GG is still shaky at serve receive and Damrow is slow to recover then Orzol at L may be the best option unless someone else comes in and takes it. But you are right, it’s probably most likely Robinson moves to the middle and Crawford is the odd one out because I don’t see any circumstance where Anna is on the bench. I just love Crawfords game and how she is so fundamentally solid. It’ll bum me out if she isn't on the floor as much. I think Landfair ends up here and it’s a moot point anyway. And that would signal Orzol at L again.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 28, 2023 22:49:38 GMT -5
Last year, Temi didn’t decide until feb 1. TL is in the drivers seat. She can decide the time. And of course Orzol would be in front of Wrobel - unless they need Julia to be Libero again because one of the smalls can’t take that position. I think it is not so clear cut. Wisconsin is the best team where TL likely would start at OH and TL is the best OH in the portal, so they are a natural match. But if there are other OHs comparable to Orzol, and they are almost all taken, then Wisconsin will feel compelled to offer the other OHs if TL still hasn’t decided. Basically game theory applies here. I suppose JCook can mess-up that calculus, but it might backfire on him. TTA’s situation was different, because teams’ needs (or lack thereof) at OH2 and elsewhere were not as clear then as they are now. E.g.; nobody knew this time last year that Franklin and Smrek would improve as much as they have (so at this time last year, Wisconsin had more unknowns), and nobody knew how well all of Nebraska’s freshmen would perform either. Moreover now Sheffield has the experience of transfer OHs performing well at Wisconsin, further reducing perceived risk.
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Post by mibadger on Dec 28, 2023 23:08:13 GMT -5
Last year, Temi didn’t decide until feb 1. TL is in the drivers seat. She can decide the time. And of course Orzol would be in front of Wrobel - unless they need Julia to be Libero again because one of the smalls can’t take that position. I think it is not so clear cut. Wisconsin is the best team where TL likely would start at OH and TL is the best OH in the portal, so they are a natural match. But if there are other OHs comparable to Orzol, and they are almost all taken, then Wisconsin will feel compelled to offer the other OHs if TL still hasn’t decided. Basically game theory applies here. I suppose JCook can mess-up that calculus, but it might backfire on him. TTA’s situation was different, because teams’ needs (or lack thereof) at OH2 and elsewhere were not as clear then as they are now. E.g.; nobody knew this time last year that Franklin and Smrek would improve as much as they have (so at this time last year, Wisconsin had more unknowns), and nobody knew how well all of Nebraska’s freshmen would perform either. Moreover now Sheffield has the experience of transfer OHs performing well at Wisconsin, further reducing perceived risk. Plus I think TL wants to transfer immediately and be in her new school in January. TTA needed to stay thru the semester to finish her degree. I could be wrong about TL tho.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 28, 2023 23:10:57 GMT -5
I hate to say this: you do know how passing formations work, right? They maneuver people around so that it's always the OH's and the L as your three passers. You CAN have an outside hitter who doesn't pass, but this involves passing with 2 in at least one rotation (which is not solid), and either passing with 2 or having the DS for the opposite pass the other two rotations. The best way to solidify passing would be to have your three best passers on the team playing as your two starting OH's and your libero. That would be Franklin and Orzol at OH and whoever is our best passing small at libero. I get that but Sheffield has talked about Robinson being able to play 6 rotations in the past. Of course he could have been just trying to build her up. If GG is still shaky at serve receive and Damrow is slow to recover then Orzol at L may be the best option unless someone else comes in and takes it. But you are right, it’s probably most likely Robinson moves to the middle and Crawford is the odd one out because I don’t see any circumstance where Anna is on the bench. I just love Crawfords game and how she is so fundamentally solid. It’ll bum me out if she isn't on the floor as much. I think Landfair ends up here and it’s a moot point anyway. And that would signal Orzol at L again. Robinson at OH2 leading to a second championship is the most emotionally appealing lineup, but not likely. But you can never say never, since Skinner did that very thing at Texas.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 28, 2023 23:14:22 GMT -5
I get that but Sheffield has talked about Robinson being able to play 6 rotations in the past. Of course he could have been just trying to build her up. If GG is still shaky at serve receive and Damrow is slow to recover then Orzol at L may be the best option unless someone else comes in and takes it. But you are right, it’s probably most likely Robinson moves to the middle and Crawford is the odd one out because I don’t see any circumstance where Anna is on the bench. I just love Crawfords game and how she is so fundamentally solid. It’ll bum me out if she isn't on the floor as much. I think Landfair ends up here and it’s a moot point anyway. And that would signal Orzol at L again. Robinson at OH2 leading to a second championship is the most emotionally appealing lineup, but not likely. But you can never say never, since Skinner did that very thing at Texas. 🤣 Robinson is a converted middle. Skinner was an outside moved to the right. 🙄
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Post by northwoods on Dec 28, 2023 23:20:51 GMT -5
They have run the 6-2 for two years….now it’s time to embrace The 3 Middle Offense!
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 28, 2023 23:26:15 GMT -5
Last year, Temi didn’t decide until feb 1. TL is in the drivers seat. She can decide the time. And of course Orzol would be in front of Wrobel - unless they need Julia to be Libero again because one of the smalls can’t take that position. I think it is not so clear cut. Wisconsin is the best team where TL likely would start at OH and TL is the best OH in the portal, so they are a natural match. But if there are other OHs comparable to Orzol, and they are almost all taken, then Wisconsin will feel compelled to offer the other OHs if TL still hasn’t decided. Basically game theory applies here. I suppose JCook can mess-up that calculus, but it might backfire on him. TTA’s situation was different, because teams’ needs (or lack thereof) at OH2 and elsewhere were not as clear then as they are now. E.g.; nobody knew this time last year that Franklin and Smrek would improve as much as they have (so at this time last year, Wisconsin had more unknowns), and nobody knew how well all of Nebraska’s freshmen would perform either. Moreover now Sheffield has the experience of transfer OHs performing well at Wisconsin, further reducing perceived risk. This feels overthought.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 28, 2023 23:28:57 GMT -5
I am hopeful the Libero spot is competitive in the spring. Between the youngsters and GG and (who knows) Oz, there should be lots of competition to get the red jersey. Well, in the spring it won't be since Damrow will be rehabbing and the freshmen are not coming early. So it will be GG and Orzol.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 28, 2023 23:30:43 GMT -5
Robinson at OH2 leading to a second championship is the most emotionally appealing lineup, but not likely. But you can never say never, since Skinner did that very thing at Texas. 🤣 Robinson is a converted middle. Skinner was an outside moved to the right. 🙄 Robinson now playing RS (albeit originally MB). Skinner was RS at Kentucky, but now is an OH at Texas. Now, I don’t think Robinson has much of a chance at OH, I’m just saying there is sort of a precedent.
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