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Post by azsker on Dec 23, 2023 15:46:06 GMT -5
with all due respect, this post is so far off. Stanford literally just cut like 11 athletic programs due to finances. Their endowment does not translate to operating budget for their athletic programs. Don’t get that confused. Stanford would do nothing for the B1G. Notre Dame had nothing to do with Stanford coming to the ACC. The ACC was simply getting insurance for survival.. So you mean to tell me if notre Dame said to BIG we will join only if you bring in Stanford also the BIG would say no? Not a chance Stanford has been in the PAC12 and has remained playing notre dame as an independent. Notre dame is not going to join the B1G bc they have their partnership with NBC that they have not one reason to lose bc finances are not a concern. They lose that partnership by joining the B1G. And notre dame doesn’t need the payout that schools are going to the B1G for. At least not yet. You don’t have to be in the same conference to keep rivalry games. Ask Clemson and SC. Ask GT and Georgia. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 15:50:45 GMT -5
So you mean to tell me if notre Dame said to BIG we will join only if you bring in Stanford also the BIG would say no? Not a chance Stanford has been in the PAC12 and has remained playing notre dame as an independent. Notre dame is not going to join the B1G bc they have their partnership with NBC that they have not one reason to lose bc finances are not a concern. They lose that partnership by joining the B1G. And notre dame doesn’t need the payout that schools are going to the B1G for. At least not yet. You don’t have to be in the same conference to keep rivalry games. Ask Clemson and SC. Ask GT and Georgia. I can argue that Stanford brings more to BIG than Nebraska to Big. Academics and research it’s no contest and as far as sports they have won the directors cup 26 times. Where’s Nebraska. Stanford is always in the top couple for best overall athletic departments As far as notre Dame. You are assuming the nbc keeps giving them their own special deal. In future why would they when nbc is also with BIG. That deal will eventually dry up |
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Post by azsker on Dec 23, 2023 15:57:51 GMT -5
Stanford has been in the PAC12 and has remained playing notre dame as an independent. Notre dame is not going to join the B1G bc they have their partnership with NBC that they have not one reason to lose bc finances are not a concern. They lose that partnership by joining the B1G. And notre dame doesn’t need the payout that schools are going to the B1G for. At least not yet. You don’t have to be in the same conference to keep rivalry games. Ask Clemson and SC. Ask GT and Georgia. I can argue that Stanford brings more to BIG than Nebraska to Big. Academics and research it’s no contest and as far as sports they have won the directors cup 26 times. Where’s Nebraska. Stanford is always in the top couple for best overall athletic departments As far as notre Dame. You are assuming the nbc keeps giving them their own special deal. In future why would they when nbc is also with BIG. That deal will eventually dry up …aside from your post that provided absolutely no relevant info, I want to inform you of something: Nebraska is already in the B1G so whatever you’re attempting to offend me with is not phasing me. Stanford was literally just up for grabs and making it quite obvious they wanted a new home and the B1G indicated they had no interest. And why did they have no interest? Money. Stanford doesn’t fill stands. They don’t bring media money. Their viewership is abysmal. But sure. Go off on academics and the directors cup.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 15:59:48 GMT -5
I can argue that Stanford brings more to BIG than Nebraska to Big. Academics and research it’s no contest and as far as sports they have won the directors cup 26 times. Where’s Nebraska. Stanford is always in the top couple for best overall athletic departments As far as notre Dame. You are assuming the nbc keeps giving them their own special deal. In future why would they when nbc is also with BIG. That deal will eventually dry up …aside from your post that provided absolutely no relevant info, I want to inform you of something: Nebraska is already in the B1G so whatever you’re attempting to offend me with is not phasing me. Stanford was literally just up for grabs and making it quite obvious they wanted a new home and the B1G indicated they had no interest. And why did they have no interest? Money. Stanford doesn’t fill stands. They don’t bring media money. Their viewership is abysmal. But sure. Go off on academics and the directors cup.. I think they didn’t bring them cause they have always wanted notre Dame and they are assuming at some point notre dame will end up in BIG AMD Stanford will come with them. Guess we will see how it plays out. We have awhile on that cause ND surely won’t do anything until other teams from ACC make moves first. I believe Stanford has always been connected to ND so until something happens with ND cause there’s no need to worry about it. Also I said what I said because outside of VB what do they actually bring to table. They havent been relevant in football for decades. |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 23, 2023 16:09:23 GMT -5
Why not just do a true single round-robin. 17 match schedule. You could get creative with how you wanted to structure the conference tournament. You could even span it over two weeks and have teams *hosting* a game or two at home, giving some of the top teams a bye or double bye depending on the full structure. From a fan perspective, I hate to see losing the Michigan-Michigan State home and away. Its typically the best attended match of the season for both schools and a bigger rivalry than Ohio State in volleyball. But I don't know that there is a better answer honestly. I want the PAC back! Michigan State/Michigan could still schedule non-conference matches against each other (whether in the first 4 weeks of the season or during a 1-match week depending on the conference schedule). Non-conference matches between teams in the same conference isn't completely unheard of. In this case, they could just rotate hosting every year so that it's always a true home & away, but only 1 counts for conference standing. |
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Post by azsker on Dec 23, 2023 16:11:22 GMT -5
…aside from your post that provided absolutely no relevant info, I want to inform you of something: Nebraska is already in the B1G so whatever you’re attempting to offend me with is not phasing me. Stanford was literally just up for grabs and making it quite obvious they wanted a new home and the B1G indicated they had no interest. And why did they have no interest? Money. Stanford doesn’t fill stands. They don’t bring media money. Their viewership is abysmal. But sure. Go off on academics and the directors cup.. I think they didn’t bring them cause they have always wanted notre Dame and they are assuming at some point notre dame will end up in BIG AMD Stanford will come with them. Guess we will see how it plays out. We have awhile on that cause ND surely won’t do anything until other teams from ACC make moves first. I believe Stanford has always been connected to ND so until something happens with ND cause there’s no need to worry about it. Also I said what I said because outside of VB what do they actually bring to table. They havent been relevant in football for decades. Notre Dame is in an active contract with NBC for a few more years, and they won’t give up independence in football unless making the CFP is threatened by it. The B1G won’t take them unless football is included, something that is very well known since the 90s when they tried to get them, and again in the 2000s. And the board of trustees at ND has voted on numerous occasions to stay independent. I also do not see their ability to reach the CFP threatened given it is now expanding to 12 teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 16:15:03 GMT -5
I think they didn’t bring them cause they have always wanted notre Dame and they are assuming at some point notre dame will end up in BIG AMD Stanford will come with them. Guess we will see how it plays out. We have awhile on that cause ND surely won’t do anything until other teams from ACC make moves first. I believe Stanford has always been connected to ND so until something happens with ND cause there’s no need to worry about it. Also I said what I said because outside of VB what do they actually bring to table. They havent been relevant in football for decades. Notre Dame is in an active contract with NBC for a few more years, and they won’t give up independence in football unless making the CFP is threatened by it. The B1G won’t take them unless football is included, something that is very well known since the 90s when they tried to get them, and again in the 2000s. And the board of trustees at ND has voted on numerous occasions to stay independent. I also do not see their ability to reach the CFP threatened given it is now expanding to 12 teams. I get everything you said but times change and I think the days of being able to be independent are gonna be comming to end |
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Post by JT on Dec 23, 2023 19:25:31 GMT -5
I just want to say that 2024 teams in the B1G is just too many!
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Dec 23, 2023 20:07:12 GMT -5
What about full round robin then the top 12 teams qualify for the tournament.
First weekend the top 4 seeds host first weekend and get a bye with two teams playing a neutral site game the night before. Final four go to the regular season champ the next weekend. Lot of bubble teams would end up with 18 or 19 total games. Likely no on plays more than 20 games, top teams get late season RPI boost, and no three matches last in the season (though travel would be a midweek game earlier).
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Post by dbro1970 on Dec 23, 2023 22:36:23 GMT -5
The only thing that I feel comfy about is: 1. Wisc or Neb 2. Wisc or Neb 3. Penn State 4. Purdue All else is a crap shoot. I do think that Indy should be much better than 12. Don't you have to have Nebraska at 1, given they won in 2022 and return everybody. |
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Post by dbro1970 on Dec 23, 2023 22:40:58 GMT -5
IMHO, best would be a Power League setup: Based on your previous year's performance, six teams in each division play the others twice within their power division, plus 8 matches of other power groups. For a total of 18 matches.
RED: Wisconsin, Penn St, USC, Oregon, Nebraska, PurdueWHITE: Michigan St, Ohio St, Michigan, UCLA, Minnesota, Indiana BLUE: Washington, Rutgers, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, NorthwesternSay Michigan wins all their White Div matches, 10-0, upset a couple in the Red division, 3-1, and 3-1 in Blue Division -- They could ultimately still be B1G Champions at 16-2, so every match counts!Actually, I think RED Division winner(s) are automaticly the overall B1G Champion, the others would get a small flag, "B1G White Div Champs" etc. Makes you want to be in the red from the start or work towards for the following season.Ugh |
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Post by JT on Dec 23, 2023 23:09:19 GMT -5
What about full round robin then the top 12 teams qualify for the tournament. First weekend the top 4 seeds host first weekend and get a bye with two teams playing a neutral site game the night before. Final four go to the regular season champ the next weekend. Lot of bubble teams would end up with 18 or 19 total games. Likely no on plays more than 20 games, top teams get late season RPI boost, and no three matches last in the season (though travel would be a midweek game earlier). To play a full round-robin, you need 17 matches, which is 8-1/2 weeks. You then need two weeks / four matches for the conference tournament. So either you have to - play three matches in a week early on in the conference season (to get 17 matches in 8 weeks), or
- play the 17th conference match on Mon/Tue of the 1st week of the conf-tourney (so three matches for all but the top-4)
- play the 1st match in the conference season at the end of the 4th "non-conf" week, which makes that last non-conf week awkward, and will either reduce the non-conf matches, or require three matches in that "week 0"
Bottom line: if you play 17 conference matches, and (potentially) 4 conference-tourney matches, then you need more than 10 weeks, or you need to play 3 matches in one of those weeks. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 23, 2023 23:10:34 GMT -5
You think it’s a mess now. Expansion ain’t don’t yet. My call is Florida state will be comming. Not sure who the second would be. UNC would prob be preferred choice. Then you have the whole ND situation and if they ever come to BIG it’s almost a gauretee they bring Stanford. They won’t leave Stanford out to dry and I think everyone knows this. If ND comes Stanford will come with them. Makes sense travel wise anyway already having 4 other west coast teams. But hey I guess no need to add to more potential chaos when there perfectly good current chaos 😂 Stanford money wise I don’t think really needs anyone but I do think ND had a lot to do with Stanford comming to ACC and that’s what I mean leaving them out to dry. I don’t think they get Stanford to come all the way over to that conference and then go alright I’m out fend for yourself I think ND brought them in for their own self interest to make it harder for ACC to break up and they could maintain their independent but also knowing if they wanted the BIG and they wanted Stanford with them it’s a guarentee they will get it. Cal is the team that’s gonna get screwed. They should have gone to conference closer to home with all due respect, this post is so far off. Stanford literally just cut like 11 athletic programs due to finances. Their endowment does not translate to operating budget for their athletic programs. Don’t get that confused. Stanford would do nothing for the B1G. Notre Dame had nothing to do with Stanford coming to the ACC. The ACC was simply getting insurance for survival.. Stanford didn’t actually cut those programs . . . Because they actually could afford them and “finances” was a pretextual reason. The administration wanted to free up admissions spots. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 23, 2023 23:43:55 GMT -5
with all due respect, this post is so far off. Stanford literally just cut like 11 athletic programs due to finances. Their endowment does not translate to operating budget for their athletic programs. Don’t get that confused. Stanford would do nothing for the B1G. Notre Dame had nothing to do with Stanford coming to the ACC. The ACC was simply getting insurance for survival.. Stanford didn’t actually cut those programs . . . Because they actually could afford them and “finances” was a pretextual reason. The administration wanted to free up admissions spots. Admission spots aside, the poster is generally correct about Stanford’s finances. The athletic department is largely restricted from accessing general endowment funds and has endured several financial crises large and small over the past decade, give or take. Doesn’t help their billionaire sugar daddy passed away last year. Also, as an aside, Notre Dame cares about Notre Dame, full stop. This idea of the Irish and Stanford being somehow joined at the hip just isn’t true. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 10:54:29 GMT -5
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Oh boy. Izzy vs Charlie. Fun times.
The start of the next 4 years in the BIG
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