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Post by Reach on Apr 22, 2024 11:22:03 GMT -5
When has the "obvious" next setter for the National Team actually become the starting setter for the National Team? Poulter and Glass weren’t ‘obvious’? Pretty sure everyone thought Carlini and may have been if not for Covid.
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Post by Reach on Apr 22, 2024 11:24:53 GMT -5
The reason Thompson was chosen over Glass was that Hugh said she was better in the double sub. Glass who was clearly the superior 5-1 setter (like Carlini vs Hancock) wasn't going to start that Olympics so Hugh chose someone for their other qualities (see Hancocks world class serve that Karch refuses to let her do). We've seen this happen each quad since 2012 with the exception that Karch got spooked by the notion of the number one going down in 16 that he brought 2 quality 5-1s in Lloyd and Glass while still bringing the cheerleader. Still one of the oddest roster selections to this date. Fawcett perhaps could have saved the day in 16...
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 11:25:21 GMT -5
When has the "obvious" next setter for the National Team actually become the starting setter for the National Team? Poulter and Glass weren’t ‘obvious’? Poulter was clearly not the next obvious setter for the National Team, and Glass obviously got shanked.
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Post by Reach on Apr 22, 2024 11:27:53 GMT -5
Poulter and Glass weren’t ‘obvious’? Poulter was clearly not the next obvious setter for the National Team, and Glass obviously got shanked. It's still shocking... Glass set more than half that quad. Thompson was so minor it's crazy.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 11:34:45 GMT -5
Poulter was clearly not the next obvious setter for the National Team, and Glass obviously got shanked. It's still shocking... Glass set more than half that quad. Thompson was so minor it's crazy. Neither Ah Mow nor Berg were seen as front-runners for the starting setter job either when they first came up. Thompson's selection is still such a perplexing smh choice.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 22, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -5
Starting setter was Berg - Minnesota Lyndsey counts as Hawaiian. I totally had her pegged as a Wahine.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 22, 2024 11:47:27 GMT -5
Lets replace swindle with fairbanks and this could be accurate lol. It'll be a tall order for reilly and stucky to become one of our top two setters within 1.5 years of graduating but we'll see I think by the end of next quad we'll see poulter / gray / miner / fairbanks as the top group (assuming carlini and Hancock retire from nt) When has the "obvious" next setter for the National Team actually become the starting setter for the National Team? Hancock, carlini, and poulter are probably the best 3 ncaa setters since glass tho... so I feel like it's been pretty predictable? unless you think somebody else in the ncaa was better than them? I saw you also said poulter wasnt an obvious choice for the nt, but the conversation I had with alfee reft (one of her coaches at Illinois also involved with usav) in spring of 2019 made it seem like the staff certainly looked at poulter as an obvious choice. He laughed at me when I told him she wasnt going to start over carlini. After watching her 2018 season I'm kind of confused how you didn't think she would be an obvious choice lol
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 11:47:43 GMT -5
Lyndsey counts as Hawaiian. I totally had her pegged as a Wahine. lol Me too! And the first time I really noticed her was when she was with the Minnesota Chill in the old USPV.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 11:50:31 GMT -5
When has the "obvious" next setter for the National Team actually become the starting setter for the National Team? Hancock, carlini, and poulter are probably the best 3 ncaa setters out of the 2011-2018 stretch tho... so I feel like it's been pretty predictable? unless you think somebody else in the ncaa was better than them in that time period ? I saw you also said poulter wasnt an obvious choice for the nt, but the conversation I had with alfee reft (one of her coaches at Illinois also involved with usav) in spring of 2019 made it seem like the staff certainly looked at poulter as an obvious choice. After watching her 2018 season I'm kind of confused how you didn't lol I said "an obvious starting setter", not someone being looked at for the NT.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 22, 2024 11:53:05 GMT -5
Hancock, carlini, and poulter are probably the best 3 ncaa setters out of the 2011-2018 stretch tho... so I feel like it's been pretty predictable? unless you think somebody else in the ncaa was better than them in that time period ? I saw you also said poulter wasnt an obvious choice for the nt, but the conversation I had with alfee reft (one of her coaches at Illinois also involved with usav) in spring of 2019 made it seem like the staff certainly looked at poulter as an obvious choice. After watching her 2018 season I'm kind of confused how you didn't lol I said "an obvious starting setter", not someone being looked at for the NT. I mean I dont think there was anyone who was more obvious tho... senior year poulter is the best setter the ncaa has seen in a while. Carlini and Hancock weren't any better as seniors. did you think one of them was the obvious choice ?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 11:57:36 GMT -5
I said "an obvious starting setter", not someone being looked at for the NT. I mean I dont think there was anyone who was more obvious tho... senior year poulter is the best setter the ncaa has seen in a while. Carlini and Hancock weren't any better as seniors. did you think there was an obvious choice ? Carlini was hyped as being Olympic setter material much more than Poulter ever was. There were always questions about Poulter's technique, location and movement at that stage of her career. I don't think that is really that debatable. I think to say otherwise is recency bias.
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Post by BallQueen on Apr 22, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -5
I mean I dont think there was anyone who was more obvious tho... senior year poulter is the best setter the ncaa has seen in a while. Carlini and Hancock weren't any better as seniors. did you think there was an obvious choice ? Carlini was hyped as being Olympic setter material much more than Poulter ever was. There were always questions about Poulter's technique, location and movement at that stage of her career. I don't think that is really that debatable. I think to say otherwise is recency bias. I remember Russ rose I think her junior year saying she was already ready to set the national team. But in general carlini had more hype for sure.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 22, 2024 12:12:50 GMT -5
Carlini was hyped as being Olympic setter material much more than Poulter ever was. There were always questions about Poulter's technique, location and movement at that stage of her career. I don't think that is really that debatable. I think to say otherwise is recency bias. I remember Russ rose I think her junior year saying she was already ready to set the national team. But in general carlini had more hype for sure. Well, Russ Rose says a lot of things.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 22, 2024 12:26:45 GMT -5
Poulter and Glass weren’t ‘obvious’? Poulter was clearly not the next obvious setter for the National Team, and Glass obviously got shanked. Poulter was still one of the best setters in the NCAA and would be in the national team gym. swindle and poulter are not the same type of ‘not obvious’.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 22, 2024 12:31:58 GMT -5
I mean I dont think there was anyone who was more obvious tho... senior year poulter is the best setter the ncaa has seen in a while. Carlini and Hancock weren't any better as seniors. did you think there was an obvious choice ? Carlini was hyped as being Olympic setter material much more than Poulter ever was. There were always questions about Poulter's technique, location and movement at that stage of her career. I don't think that is really that debatable. I think to say otherwise is recency bias. Carlini definitely had more hype, If you're talking about obvious choice in terms of the general fans opinion, then ya forsure carlini. I also think carlini and Hancock both had better freshman - junior years then poulter. I'm just considering the level each was at when leaving college, and to me poulter looked every bit as good as they did if not better. So recency bias in the sense that im ignoring carlini was way better as an 18 year old, yes. I guess I thought u meant more in terms of skill / ceiling than public opinion Lexi Rodriguez would be the obvious choice at libero if we went off of public hype throughout her college career, doesnt mean she's the actual obvious choice tho
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