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Post by socalplayer on Apr 26, 2024 19:15:13 GMT -5
Totally agree about Logan, never heard any rational explanation. Hooker on the other hand probably needed to go, diva attitude and basically lost interest in the Gold Medal match in London. The most "talented" players aren't always the right fit. 1.) My point still stands that Hooker never tore down a net nor cursed out a ref. So she still obviously held it together better than Karch ever could 2.) let's not feed into the trend of giving a pass to lighter skinned women while demonizing black women for the same actions. If you can excuse Logan Tom, you can certainly make the same argument for Hooker. This has nothing to do with race! Let’s not mix things. Tom, Fawcett, etc. were out, just like Hooker.
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Apr 26, 2024 20:03:08 GMT -5
1.) My point still stands that Hooker never tore down a net nor cursed out a ref. So she still obviously held it together better than Karch ever could 2.) let's not feed into the trend of giving a pass to lighter skinned women while demonizing black women for the same actions. If you can excuse Logan Tom, you can certainly make the same argument for Hooker. This has nothing to do with race! Let’s not mix things. how tf do you know?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 26, 2024 20:06:31 GMT -5
1.) My point still stands that Hooker never tore down a net nor cursed out a ref. So she still obviously held it together better than Karch ever could 2.) let's not feed into the trend of giving a pass to lighter skinned women while demonizing black women for the same actions. If you can excuse Logan Tom, you can certainly make the same argument for Hooker. This has nothing to do with race! Let’s not mix things. Tom, Fawcett, etc. were out, just like Hooker. I’m not saying what happened to hooker was right, but they were both different players who acted differently as well. They both didn’t have the same attitudes.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 26, 2024 20:37:05 GMT -5
Hooker on the other hand probably needed to go, diva attitude and basically lost interest in the Gold Medal match in London. This ret-conning cannot stand. The players who tanked the London Gold Medal match were the ones who became leaders of the next quad, and promptly formed a clique to blame the two players who actually did anything there.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 26, 2024 20:39:19 GMT -5
Hooker on the other hand probably needed to go, diva attitude and basically lost interest in the Gold Medal match in London. This ret-conning cannot stand. The players who tanked the London Gold Medal match were the ones who became leaders of the next quad, and promptly formed a clique to blame the two players who actually did anything there. This is so true.
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Post by austintatious on Apr 26, 2024 20:49:16 GMT -5
Totally agree about Logan, never heard any rational explanation. Hooker on the other hand probably needed to go, diva attitude and basically lost interest in the Gold Medal match in London. The most "talented" players aren't always the right fit. 1.) My point still stands that Hooker never tore down a net nor cursed out a ref. So she still obviously held it together better than Karch ever could 2.) let's not feed into the trend of giving a pass to lighter skinned women while demonizing black women for the same actions. If you can excuse Logan Tom, you can certainly make the same argument for Hooker. What a ridiculous response. Where did I excuse Tom. My comment was I never heard any reasoning for not asking Tom back. Still haven't. Then out of the blue you talk about Karch's actions. How does that relate to Hooker? His actions were certainly uncalled for but don't see a correlation.
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Post by socalplayer on Apr 26, 2024 21:10:08 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with race! Let’s not mix things. how tf do you know? Karch had other black players on that team and still has black players on his team. I don’t think he left Hooker out due to her race. I loved watching Hooker (one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen); Tom was my all time favorite, LOVED Fawcett, etc. All these players were kicked out due to Karch’s system. His system consist of kumbaya, being besties, ask veteran players for their opinion or simply leaving out players because of their “attitude”. My original post was about not understanding how a strong willed player like Karch became a coach who doesn’t like strong willed players. It’s strange to me.
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Post by manyshaped on Apr 26, 2024 21:12:46 GMT -5
y'all still going at it huh?
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Post by Cmd12 on Apr 26, 2024 21:20:13 GMT -5
I remember reaching out to hooker one day on her IG, and she responded and we just randomly get messaging keeping in touch on random stuff, she eventually ended up spilling so much tea about Karch and the team and even showed me a screenshot of the email from karch. It wasn’t good guys. She was really in a not good place and he basically told her she needs help but she won’t be getting it from USAV gym. I won’t go into details but I’ve always respected Hooker for still continuing to play professionally for so many years after 2012. She probably knew her name was tarnished and still traveled overseas for the love of the game despite having 2 kids. And her Brazilian teammates loved her, Zhu ting played with her and they were always seen smiling and laughing. I don’t think she was the monster teammate she was made out to be.
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Post by jay on Apr 26, 2024 21:26:29 GMT -5
Who can forget the false flag post on Reddit that suggested at a reconciliation for the Rio games that garnered a big middle finger response both from the USAV and U of Texas administration. Hooker was totally black listed in several ways even after she sought redemption.
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Apr 26, 2024 21:39:28 GMT -5
Karch had other black players on that team and still has black players on his team. I don’t think he left Hooker out due to her race. I loved watching Hooker (one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen); Tom was my all time favorite, LOVED Fawcett, etc. All these players were kicked out due to Karch’s system. His system consist of kumbaya, being besties, ask veteran players for their opinion or simply leaving out players because of their “attitude”. My original post was about not understanding how a strong willed player like Karch became a coach who doesn’t like strong willed players. It’s strange to me. My comment was in response to the poster saying Destinee deserved to be dismissed but not Tom. They also referred to her as a "diva" which is not cool when referring to black women.
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Post by Reach on Apr 26, 2024 22:00:35 GMT -5
lmao I'm pretty sure Larson mentioned the selection process in one of her post-Tokyo interviews the first time I heard it was definitely from her, not Carlini I feel like cook did as well
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Post by xlumie on Apr 27, 2024 3:54:57 GMT -5
Who can forget the false flag post on Reddit that suggested at a reconciliation for the Rio games that garnered a big middle finger response both from the USAV and U of Texas administration. Hooker was totally black listed in several ways even after she sought redemption. I'm so lost... Is Hooker blacklisted from both USAV & UT? And what did she do that required blacklisting?
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 27, 2024 4:58:26 GMT -5
Karch had other black players on that team and still has black players on his team. I don’t think he left Hooker out due to her race. I loved watching Hooker (one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen); Tom was my all time favorite, LOVED Fawcett, etc. All these players were kicked out due to Karch’s system. His system consist of kumbaya, being besties, ask veteran players for their opinion or simply leaving out players because of their “attitude”. My original post was about not understanding how a strong willed player like Karch became a coach who doesn’t like strong willed players. It’s strange to me. My comment was in response to the poster saying Destinee deserved to be dismissed but not Tom. They also referred to her as a "diva" which is not cool when referring to black women. bs on that last thing. Maybe it was wrong to label Hooker that but a spade is a spade and a diva is a diva. Foh with this racial garbage. We were having a *somewhat* useful conversation in here before you came in with this.
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Post by genisvel on Apr 27, 2024 7:28:45 GMT -5
bs on that last thing. Maybe it was wrong to label Hooker that but a spade is a spade and a diva is a diva. Foh with this racial garbage. We were having a *somewhat* useful conversation in here before you came in with this. 🤣🤣🤣🤣I'm sorry... I really don't want to continue with the discussion about the racism stuff... But... *snicker* the use of the word "spade" while arguing that "diva" wasn't intentionally used as a racial slur... I'm sure you probably aren't familiar with how that word was also used a couple of generations ago, so it was probably also unintentional... But...the irony 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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