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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 10:57:41 GMT -5
We should pay santarelli 1 million dollars a year. Yall would probably still be upset though because even he would have left frantii of this Olympic roster. She is the odd one out Saying that Plummer's club coach would also pick her if he coached the national team is not a particularly insightful observation. I never even mentioned Plummers name. Karch picked her and still had her above skinner in the depth chart even after picking her. I really don’t think after Plummers club season any coach worth their salt would have left Plummer of this roster even if she is hurt (which we don’t know the severity of the injury). In my mind it was always skinner vs frantti and skinner is objectively just better and skinner is also apart of the future. Frantti will be 32 come next Olympics
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 20, 2024 11:01:23 GMT -5
Saying that Plummer's club coach would also pick her if he coached the national team is not a particularly insightful observation. I never even mentioned Plummers name. Karch picked her and still had her above skinner in the depth chart even after picking her. I really don’t think after Plummers club season any coach worth their salt would have left Plummer of this roster even if she is hurt (which we don’t know the severity of the injury). In my mind it was always skinner vs frantti and skinner is objectively just better and skinner is also apart of the future. Frantti will be 32 come next Olympics You don't need to. Who else are you obsessed with?
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 20, 2024 11:01:30 GMT -5
Saying that Plummer's club coach would also pick her if he coached the national team is not a particularly insightful observation. I never even mentioned Plummers name. Karch picked her and still had her above skinner in the depth chart even after picking her. I really don’t think after Plummers club season any coach worth their salt would have left Plummer of this roster even if she is hurt (which we don’t know the severity of the injury). In my mind it was always skinner vs frantti and skinner is objectively just better and skinner is also apart of the future. Frantti will be 32 come next Olympics I don't think club performance is that relevant if you're not performing well for the national team. It's a national team competition.
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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 11:09:46 GMT -5
I never even mentioned Plummers name. Karch picked her and still had her above skinner in the depth chart even after picking her. I really don’t think after Plummers club season any coach worth their salt would have left Plummer of this roster even if she is hurt (which we don’t know the severity of the injury). In my mind it was always skinner vs frantti and skinner is objectively just better and skinner is also apart of the future. Frantti will be 32 come next Olympics I don't think club performance is that relevant if you're not performing well for the national team. It's a national team competition. it does matter if you are hurt for national team and have shown to be good offensively before. I feel like you guys are trolling me. I feel like it’s a simple concept. It’s not even like skinner and frantti were lighting it up this year. If this was 2023 skinner and 2022 frantii then I would agree with yall but skinner and frantti were bad too. Skinner is killing 32% against good teams and again she is objectively better than frantti
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Post by Norah Sus on Jun 20, 2024 11:12:53 GMT -5
I never even mentioned Plummers name. Karch picked her and still had her above skinner in the depth chart even after picking her. I really don’t think after Plummers club season any coach worth their salt would have left Plummer of this roster even if she is hurt (which we don’t know the severity of the injury). In my mind it was always skinner vs frantti and skinner is objectively just better and skinner is also apart of the future. Frantti will be 32 come next Olympics I don't think club performance is that relevant if you're not performing well for the national team. It's a national team competition. It is exceptionally hard to compare the two due to the huge difference in surrounding cast. On one roster Plummer is surrounded by Fahr, Cook, De Gennaro, Lubian, Wolosz, and Haak. On one roster she’s not.
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Post by Wichsen on Jun 20, 2024 11:16:46 GMT -5
I don't think club performance is that relevant if you're not performing well for the national team. It's a national team competition. it does matter if you are hurt for national team and have shown to be good offensively before. I feel like you guys are trolling me. I feel like it’s a simple concept. It’s not even like skinner and frantti were lighting it up this year. If this was 2023 skinner and 2022 frantii then I would agree with yall but skinner and frantti were bad too. Skinner is killing 32% against good teams and again she is objectively better than frantti Frantti is killing 45% in turkish league! While plummer is playing good in club doesn't even mean she is better than skinner/frantti. Her team was the best in all position. Same goes to cook.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 20, 2024 11:21:07 GMT -5
I don't think club performance is that relevant if you're not performing well for the national team. It's a national team competition. it does matter if you are hurt for national team and have shown to be good offensively before. I feel like you guys are trolling me. I feel like it’s a simple concept. It’s not even like skinner and frantti were lighting it up this year. If this was 2023 skinner and 2022 frantii then I would agree with yall but skinner and frantti were bad too. Skinner is killing 32% against good teams and again she is objectively better than frantti Most coaches worth their salt understand the pluses and minuses that Plummer brings (Most of them probably felt like it was about time, and, can she replicate it/keep it up?). And certainly, not every one of them is going to automatically approach it the way Santarelli did--which could have been by choice or by necessity--or think that it's in the best interest of the team or in line with their approach. The narrative you're trying to spin about Plummer's inevitability on the NT is just not justified.
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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 11:23:03 GMT -5
it does matter if you are hurt for national team and have shown to be good offensively before. I feel like you guys are trolling me. I feel like it’s a simple concept. It’s not even like skinner and frantti were lighting it up this year. If this was 2023 skinner and 2022 frantii then I would agree with yall but skinner and frantti were bad too. Skinner is killing 32% against good teams and again she is objectively better than frantti Frantti is killing 45% in turkish league! While plummer is playing good in club doesn't even mean she is better than skinner/frantti. Her team was the best in all position. frantii was getting benched all the time and Plummer was killing 49%. Again you guys can argue all you want but better is just better I’m just happy karch is willing to sub Plummer backrow and actually try this year. If Plummer is healthy this year we can grab a bronze or silver. Better than anything we have done in recent years
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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 11:28:27 GMT -5
it does matter if you are hurt for national team and have shown to be good offensively before. I feel like you guys are trolling me. I feel like it’s a simple concept. It’s not even like skinner and frantti were lighting it up this year. If this was 2023 skinner and 2022 frantii then I would agree with yall but skinner and frantti were bad too. Skinner is killing 32% against good teams and again she is objectively better than frantti Most coaches worth their salt understand the pluses and minuses that Plummer brings (Most of them probably felt like it was about time, and, can she replicate it/keep it up?). And certainly, not every one of them is going to automatically approach it the way Santarelli did--which could have been by choice or by necessity--or think that it's in the best interest of the team or in line with their approach. The narrative you're trying to spin about Plummer's inevitability on the NT is just not justified. it is justified because karch picked her knowing he played bad and knowing she was injured and people who do volleyball for a living say she should have been on the team too. I wish this sport was more media driven so we could do a coaches pole because I would win. You guys think of things too biased and not results performance driven. The best we have done in any competition recently was beating Italy in ioqt last year to qualify for Olympics and that’s sad. Also I’m not saying karch is a good coach because Plummer would have been getting subbed backrow for years now of USA had a better coach. The only reason he is willing to change this year is because of how good she was in club
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 20, 2024 11:31:11 GMT -5
Most coaches worth their salt understand the pluses and minuses that Plummer brings (Most of them probably felt like it was about time, and, can she replicate it/keep it up?). And certainly, not every one of them is going to automatically approach it the way Santarelli did--which could have been by choice or by necessity--or think that it's in the best interest of the team or in line with their approach. The narrative you're trying to spin about Plummer's inevitability on the NT is just not justified. it is justified because karch picked her knowing he played bad and knowing she was injured and people who do volleyball for a living say she should have been on the team too. I wish this sport was more media driven so we could do a coaches pole because I would win. You guys think of things too biased and not results performance driven. The best we have done in any competition recently was beating Italy in ioqt last year to qualify for Olympics and that’s sad. Also I’m not saying karch is a good coach because Plummer would have been getting subbed backrow for years now of USA had a better coach. The only reason he is willing to change this year is because of how good she was in club This is pathetic.
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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 11:33:09 GMT -5
it is justified because karch picked her knowing he played bad and knowing she was injured and people who do volleyball for a living say she should have been on the team too. I wish this sport was more media driven so we could do a coaches pole because I would win. You guys think of things too biased and not results performance driven. The best we have done in any competition recently was beating Italy in ioqt last year to qualify for Olympics and that’s sad. Also I’m not saying karch is a good coach because Plummer would have been getting subbed backrow for years now of USA had a better coach. The only reason he is willing to change this year is because of how good she was in club This is pathetic. you guys need to become better analysts and watch more than one sport it will help a lot
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 20, 2024 11:39:20 GMT -5
you guys need to become better analysts and watch more than one sport it will help a lot You don't even know volleyball.
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Post by jiggs on Jun 20, 2024 11:42:56 GMT -5
you guys need to become better analysts and watch more than one sport it will help a lot You don't even know volleyball. ok true me the only person who consistently brings up stats and objective truths to prove my points doesn’t know volleyball. I agree, you win, everything I said before makes no sense and there is no evidence to back up any of it🙂
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 20, 2024 11:45:10 GMT -5
You don't even know volleyball. ok true me the only person who consistently brings up stats and objective truths to prove my points doesn’t know volleyball. I agree, you win, everything I said before makes no sense and there is no evidence to back up any of it🙂 You're finally making sense. Keep it up and have a great week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 14:38:29 GMT -5
I would just like it known that I think this is the first Carlini/Hancock pairing on a finals/major tournament roster maybe ever?
2017: Lloyd, Carlini (2017 Grand Champions Cup - Lloyd hurt her shoulder early on and Carlini took over but didn't perform well)
2018: Lloyd, Hancock (Carlini was new and also dealing with an injury iirc)
2019: Carlini, Poulter (Hancock definitely was in the picture but Poulter became the starter by the end of the season)
2021: Poulter, Hancock
2022: Poulter, Carlini (Hancock made an appearance in one or two weeks of the VNL)
2023: Carlini, Evans (Olympic Qualifiers - Hancock had a concucssion.) (VNL - We had both but Carlini was quite injured)
What happens when/if we win the VNL in 2024 with out Poulter?
Does Hancock sneak onto that Paris roster?
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