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Post by usavolleyball on Jan 3, 2024 14:37:43 GMT -5
Ahen at American University is lowkey same as this coach. Pretty soon it’s going to blow up in their faces if they continue to disregard players’ complaints about his behavior and out of control “tough coaching” style. I thought Ahen left Brown for a coaching job in Korea? Did I imagine that?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 3, 2024 14:40:49 GMT -5
Ahen at American University is lowkey same as this coach. Pretty soon it’s going to blow up in their faces if they continue to disregard players’ complaints about his behavior and out of control “tough coaching” style. I thought Ahen left Brown for a coaching job in Korea? Did I imagine that? He did, but his arrangement didn't work out. Joe Trinsey is now coaching that team. (I don't know anything about the current situation at American University).
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Post by reddwolf on Jan 3, 2024 14:57:30 GMT -5
Have the players at American voiced concerns and were ignored? They have and nothing was done. if you're simply comparing ahen to this chris gonzalez figure because he was abroad and didn't make it (which, by the way, it's public knowledge that there were massive visa issues), that's a horrible comparison. if that's the case, why not compare every coach who didn't last in a gig (which is almost everyone these days) to this guy???
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Post by odinaka on Jan 3, 2024 15:08:52 GMT -5
They have and nothing was done. if you're simply comparing ahen to this chris gonzalez figure because he was abroad and didn't make it (which, by the way, it's public knowledge that there were massive visa issues), that's a horrible comparison. if that's the case, why not compare every coach who didn't last in a gig (which is almost everyone these days) to this guy??? Why would I compare him to a coach just cos a coaching job didn’t work out? That would be insane. I’m telling you Ahen has similar issues as this coach in ONE freaking season at American!!! Frankly I suspect that was why he parted ways with Brown.
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Post by MsRSV on Jan 3, 2024 15:42:54 GMT -5
If 15 jobs in 21 years is not a record, I'd like to see who all tops it. It would be a red flag in any hire I make; different industry, but come on, staying at jobs an average of 17 months begs for answers.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 3, 2024 15:52:55 GMT -5
if you're simply comparing ahen to this chris gonzalez figure because he was abroad and didn't make it (which, by the way, it's public knowledge that there were massive visa issues), that's a horrible comparison. if that's the case, why not compare every coach who didn't last in a gig (which is almost everyone these days) to this guy??? Why would I compare him to a coach just cos a coaching job didn’t work out? That would be insane. I’m telling you Ahen has similar issues as this coach in ONE freaking season at American!!! Frankly I suspect that was why he parted ways with Brown. Not even slightly the reason he left Brown. They certainly didn't want him to leave.
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Post by charger0304 on Jan 3, 2024 15:54:16 GMT -5
if you're simply comparing ahen to this chris gonzalez figure because he was abroad and didn't make it (which, by the way, it's public knowledge that there were massive visa issues), that's a horrible comparison. if that's the case, why not compare every coach who didn't last in a gig (which is almost everyone these days) to this guy??? Why would I compare him to a coach just cos a coaching job didn’t work out? That would be insane. I’m telling you Ahen has similar issues as this coach in ONE freaking season at American!!! Frankly I suspect that was why he parted ways with Brown. I’m truly sorry your girl has had such a tough time with injuries. She had great moments when healthy. But please, for the sake of the Idaho players and families seeking help, take your concerns into another thread.
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Post by alvin on Jan 3, 2024 16:01:55 GMT -5
if you're simply comparing ahen to this chris gonzalez figure because he was abroad and didn't make it (which, by the way, it's public knowledge that there were massive visa issues), that's a horrible comparison. if that's the case, why not compare every coach who didn't last in a gig (which is almost everyone these days) to this guy??? Why would I compare him to a coach just cos a coaching job didn’t work out? That would be insane. I’m telling you Ahen has similar issues as this coach in ONE freaking season at American!!! Frankly I suspect that was why he parted ways with Brown. This is obviously a classic case of a disgruntled parent jumping on here to use this horrible story to draw attention to your frustrations with a coach who has never had a single complaint about him in this regard. Ahen left Brown for a pro job and the visa situation was complicated, this is a well known fact. Brown players and current staff will tell you they did not want him to leave. Let's not distract from a very real and very problematic situation by making allegations about someone else with no proof. It dimensions the Idaho situation and all these strong young women who have gone through the right channels to be heard. Now back to the real story please......
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 3, 2024 17:25:01 GMT -5
Geez, at least learn how to play the 6 degrees of separation game, people. Silvia Panak was on the Long Beach State roster when Chris was a volunteer assistant. She transferred to American University to play for Barry Goldberg, eventually worked there as an Assistant Coach, and started Metro Volleyball. Ahen was an Assistant Coach at American and was head coach of the 17's teams at Metro before leaving for Brown. THEREFORE, Chris taught Silvia who taught Ahen and now, Ahen = Chris. See, that's how it's done!!
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 3, 2024 17:57:16 GMT -5
This is obviously a classic case of a disgruntled parent jumping on here to use this horrible story to draw attention to your frustrations with a coach who has never had a single complaint about him in this regard. Ahen left Brown for a pro job and the visa situation was complicated, this is a well known fact. Brown players and current staff will tell you they did not want him to leave. Let's not distract from a very real and very problematic situation by making allegations about someone else with no proof. It dimensions the Idaho situation and all these strong young women who have gone through the right channels to be heard. Now back to the real story please...... Karen you are calling out a member who has been here 9 years and you have been here one post Length of time doesn’t automatically mean you have a good point.
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Post by odinaka on Jan 3, 2024 18:06:47 GMT -5
Why would I compare him to a coach just cos a coaching job didn’t work out? That would be insane. I’m telling you Ahen has similar issues as this coach in ONE freaking season at American!!! Frankly I suspect that was why he parted ways with Brown. This is obviously a classic case of a disgruntled parent jumping on here to use this horrible story to draw attention to your frustrations with a coach who has never had a single complaint about him in this regard. Ahen left Brown for a pro job and the visa situation was complicated, this is a well known fact. Brown players and current staff will tell you they did not want him to leave. Let's not distract from a very real and very problematic situation by making allegations about someone else with no proof. It dimensions the Idaho situation and all these strong young women who have gone through the right channels to be heard. Now back to the real story please...... You are exactly making my point. Complaints have been made and nothing has been done as far as the players could see, hence the situation could deteriorate to same level as the disaster in Idaho. If my kid reported a coach was treating her the way Ahen treated some of his players, especially those he chose to target, I will not be posting on VT. You will hear it on the evening news. I do apologize for distracting from the Idaho situation. That was not my intention.
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Post by despicableme on Jan 4, 2024 13:53:21 GMT -5
If you go down the former Long Beach State assistant coaching road...you'll find...more of the same and some...worse. So much more to tell... I assume you are talking about Brian Gimmillaro's coaching tree? since nobody likes to say or type that name out loud, apparently. I don't have any professional ties to this sport, so I'm not concerned with any blowback (even with the anonymity of this medium). I don't understand how something like this can be somewhat well-known in the VB community, and yet nobody is willing to publicly call out a legendary coach for fostering a malicious coaching tree like this (if what you say is true). Reminds me of the difficulty in anyone acknowledging Joe Paterno's complicit role in the Sandusky situation. The "coaching fraternity" model is broken as it relates to protecting players IMHO. How many student-athletes have sustained physical and emotional abuse over the years from this coaching tree, while people stay silent? Unreal. At least the portal has allowed some players to escape abusive situations. What about the pre-portal players that were trapped? SMH As someone who played for Brian, I can tell you that all of the accusations in this article about Chris are things I experienced while playing at LBSU. This was years after Chris left LB so I can't say who learned from who. But the comments about weight, the restrictive eating and diets, the mental abuse, the requirements to play through injuries, all of those are in Brian's playbook. I will say that I learned a lot from him as far as actual technical VB knowledge, but I was miserable as was most of my teammates. I truly hated volleyball and I never thought I would enjoy it again until I transferred. I have been coached by Chris as well (USAVB) and I think he's an excellent trainer. I am not surprised by this article though. It's a shame that these things are still happening. No athlete should be subject to anything like this. It's awful.
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Post by despicableme on Jan 4, 2024 13:55:34 GMT -5
So the Gimmillaro coaching tree has a history of abusing players? Who else is been known to do this? I seriously don’t know. This deserves a long and serious discussion. There are as many ways to coach as there are coaches. There are many coaches who were adherents to the Japanese way of training ever since Japan revolutionized the game in the 1970's: playsets, quick attacks, pinpoint passing, beating the slow and much bigger opponents by being faster, quicker, and more flexible with their options. There was much to admire and the tactics were very attractive to the have-not's in the collegiate game because this was new and the traditional powers were built big and slow. Gimmilaro was one of those coaches. The thing is, many took the Japanese training methods as a package. If you have seen the old videos of the Japanese taskmaster coaches running the brutal Pit drill with a helpless player you get an idea of what the training culture, which was not so different from the training cultures in some of the Iron Curtain countries, remember them? Of course, at the time, in those cultures, the figures of respect are also to be feared. The coaches thought that they had to show their power and earn their respect by terrorizing the players often to keep the players pliant and train harder. The point is, you can train all of the Japanese tactics without all the trappings of hierarchy and show of power. Plus they were trying to force a square peg in a round hole, forcing players who grew up without the societal subservient attitude into the hierarchical structure that the Japanese training was designed to take advantage of. It was a different time and place. To extrapolate the training methods from that time and place to now is not thinking straight. I think this is a really excellent post. The training methods have merit for sure but all of it doesn't translate and if you don't adapt to the culture and the times you're coaching in, you end up where LBSU was the last 10 years before BG retired.
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Post by hangonsloopy on Jan 4, 2024 13:58:53 GMT -5
So is Idaho just going to ignore this? Am I being unreasonable in expecting some form of action by now?
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Post by alvin on Jan 4, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -5
This is obviously a classic case of a disgruntled parent jumping on here to use this horrible story to draw attention to your frustrations with a coach who has never had a single complaint about him in this regard. Ahen left Brown for a pro job and the visa situation was complicated, this is a well known fact. Brown players and current staff will tell you they did not want him to leave. Let's not distract from a very real and very problematic situation by making allegations about someone else with no proof. It dimensions the Idaho situation and all these strong young women who have gone through the right channels to be heard. Now back to the real story please...... You are exactly making my point. Complaints have been made and nothing has been done as far as the players could see, hence the situation could deteriorate to same level as the disaster in Idaho. If my kid reported a coach was treating her the way Ahen treated some of his players, especially those he chose to target, I will not be posting on VT. You will hear it on the evening news. I do apologize for distracting from the Idaho situation. That was not my intention. No I am not proving your point.....there are 20+ years and dozens of players, coaches, and university staff being quoted and stepping up to say there is a history and pattern. One mom commenting on a very well respected Coach because she did not like him is different. Where is your proof of pattern?How can you come on here and bad mouth a guy without willing to prove anything? These Idaho players have voice memos, texts, emails, etc. There is no smoke here bc there is no fire when it comes to Ahen. Not one from Brown, Metro, American (first time), George Washington, HBU has come forward. Please do not say these things are the same. Ahen on the news bc his behavior is so bad? Don't make comments you can not back or prove. VT is full of people like you willing to say anything they want with no consequence, shame on you. Again, back to the real story. Word is Gonzalez is being investigated with no suspension. That is insane!!!
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