NIL money

[pastasevensamurai]

Ohio state football allegedly spent $13 million to load up for next year.

How much would you need to spend in volleyball to compete for a championship?

Non-p5/4 and p5/4 schools. Interesting debate

[staticb]

Doesn't Nebraska or Texas have an NIL volleyball collective with a 500k warchest over 2 years for NIL?

On the G5 side, Hawaii's latest NIL collective announced it had over 500k that was supposed to go to 25 football players and 11 women's volleyball players. (Paltry amount for football after all is distributed but a decent amount for volleyball)

If you happen to be a billionaire donor who loves volleyball you can probably buy a competitive (Top 10) team on the cheap right now.

I don't think there's any 7-figure NIL volleyball players yet.

[viqueen10s]

Jan 23, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -5 staticb said:

Doesn't Nebraska or Texas have an NIL volleyball collective with a 500k warchest over 2 years for NIL?

On the G5 side, Hawaii's latest NIL collective announced it had over 500k that was supposed to go to 25 football players and 11 women's volleyball players. (Paltry amount for football after all is distributed but a decent amount for volleyball)

If you happen to be a billionaire donor who loves volleyball you can probably buy a competitive (Top 10) team on the cheap right now.

I don't think there's any 7-figure NIL volleyball players yet.

Nebraska did receive a commitment of 5million over 10 years.

[mervinswerved]

The top WBB teams are spending north of $500k annually (some of them way north), so I'd start around there for WVB.

[vbnerd]

Livvy Dunne the gymnast reportedly has $3.5 million in NIL contracts but those are largely legit NIL deals and not collective recruiting inducements.

If some version of Baker's plan goes through and the schools are paying "at least $30,000" per athlete to 50% of their athletes, and it has to be equal between men and women there are some women's volleyball players who are going to make quite a bit. Lets say they balance M&W basketball. $13 million for football means you have to spend $13 million into some combination of volleyball, softball, gymnastics, swimming and women's lacrosse, etc. So lets say that is $3 million for volleyball, 15 players would average $200k, but more likely your DSs and 4th OH and MH are closer to $30k and your All-Americans are significanly higher.

If you had to put $3 million into your women's volleyball program this year, is anyone NOT offering $1 million to Skinner? How high would coaches go? And that is before actual endorsement income.

[staticb]

Jan 23, 2024 13:03:19 GMT -5 mervinswerved said:

The top WBB teams are spending north of $500k annually (some of them way north), so I'd start around there for WVB.

There's no one in WVB who has the social media followings of a Dunne, Clark or Reese yet.

Right now 50k a year in NIL for Women's Vball is near the top.

[mervinswerved]

Jan 23, 2024 13:41:26 GMT -5 staticb said:

Jan 23, 2024 13:03:19 GMT -5 mervinswerved said:

The top WBB teams are spending north of $500k annually (some of them way north), so I'd start around there for WVB.

There's no one in WVB who has the social media followings of a Dunne, Clark or Reese yet.

Right now 50k a year in NIL for Women's Vball is near the top.

So? Social media following has little to do with it. I know WBB players you've likely never heard of making six figures from collectives. There are teams not named LSU, South Carolina, or Iowa spending $500k+ this year on their rosters. The actual endorsement money out there is dwarfed by the total payroll.

[haterade]

Jan 23, 2024 10:07:15 GMT -5 pastasevensamurai said:

Ohio state football allegedly spent $13 million to load up for next year.

How much would you need to spend in volleyball to compete for a championship?

Non-p5/4 and p5/4 schools. Interesting debate

$200k each for 8 contributors that are probably top 5ish at their position. So $1.6 million and more or less you could buy your way to the final 4, thus ‘competing’. Yes, an OH would be more than a DS. Probably closer to $1.2 if you short pay the littles.

This would apply to P5ish schools. If you're at Arkansas Pine Bluff or similar, the lack of overall athletic department support via training, private flights to away games, other NIL money, etc. would make it probably double? I don't see many NCAA players turning down $400k to play anywhere. Would also have to throw about $1M at coaching staff to get top tier coach and assistants.

Still may lose to a team with a skinner or another generational talent. 

[ay2013]

Back when I was in school, the biggest scandal in the conference was USC getting caught slipping gifts to Reggie Bush, thus forfeiting amateur status and games he played in. The amount of public shame USC got by the collective was deafening - it was actually a topic of conversation on rival campuses. Today, people openly talk about which school has the most money to pay athletes to do nothing more than play for their school...but just don't get caught driving the recruit directly to the booster (rolls eyes).....my how things have changed (for the worse).

[haterade]

Jan 23, 2024 14:58:48 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Back when I was in school, the biggest scandal in the conference was USC getting caught slipping gifts to Reggie Bush, thus forfeiting amateur status and games he played in. The amount of public shame USC got by the collective was deafening - it was actually a topic of conversation on rival campuses. Today, people openly talk about which school has the most money to pay athletes to do nothing more than play for their school...but just don't get caught driving the recruit directly to the booster (rolls eyes).....my how things have changed (for the worse).

Same for SMU. They certainly weren’t bidding against themselves. They just did it too brazenly and pierced the, now fully dead, vale of amateurism.

[slxpress]

Jan 23, 2024 14:31:18 GMT -5 haterade said:

Jan 23, 2024 10:07:15 GMT -5 pastasevensamurai said:

Ohio state football allegedly spent $13 million to load up for next year.

How much would you need to spend in volleyball to compete for a championship?

Non-p5/4 and p5/4 schools. Interesting debate

$200k each for 8 contributors that are probably top 5ish at their position. So $1.6 million and more or less you could buy your way to the final 4, thus ‘competing’. Yes, an OH would be more than a DS. Probably closer to $1.2 if you short pay the littles.

This would apply to P5ish schools. If you're at Arkansas Pine Bluff or similar, the lack of overall athletic department support via training, private flights to away games, other NIL money, etc. would make it probably double? I don't see many NCAA players turning down $400k to play anywhere. Would also have to throw about $1M at coaching staff to get top tier coach and assistants.

Still may lose to a team with a skinner or another generational talent. 

That’s a farcical amount for volleyball. Maybe someday soon we get to those amounts, but that’s not true right now.

The most I’ve heard of in NIL collective money for a transfer was for Kaitlyn Hord, and it was nowhere approaching $200k.

[slxpress]

Jan 23, 2024 15:11:40 GMT -5 haterade said:

Jan 23, 2024 14:58:48 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Back when I was in school, the biggest scandal in the conference was USC getting caught slipping gifts to Reggie Bush, thus forfeiting amateur status and games he played in. The amount of public shame USC got by the collective was deafening - it was actually a topic of conversation on rival campuses. Today, people openly talk about which school has the most money to pay athletes to do nothing more than play for their school...but just don't get caught driving the recruit directly to the booster (rolls eyes).....my how things have changed (for the worse).

Same for SMU. They certainly weren’t bidding against themselves. They just did it too brazenly and pierced the, now fully dead, vale of amateurism.

SMU’s most serious punishments were for repeated infractions.

All the main schools using under the table money to compete in football in the area - OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M - all faced serious penalties. TCU turned themselves in under a new coach and was crippled for it. Bill Yeoman had to resign after an illustrious career at UH (father of the triple option and broke the color barrier in the state) for impermissible benefits. It’s not like SMU was singled out. Their problem wasn’t that they were caught. Their problem is that they were caught, admitted to it, said they’d stop, and then kept going. You’re whitewashing the behavior a bit.

[haterade]

Jan 23, 2024 15:23:26 GMT -5 slxpress said:

Jan 23, 2024 14:31:18 GMT -5 haterade said:

$200k each for 8 contributors that are probably top 5ish at their position. So $1.6 million and more or less you could buy your way to the final 4, thus ‘competing’. Yes, an OH would be more than a DS. Probably closer to $1.2 if you short pay the littles.

This would apply to P5ish schools. If you're at Arkansas Pine Bluff or similar, the lack of overall athletic department support via training, private flights to away games, other NIL money, etc. would make it probably double? I don't see many NCAA players turning down $400k to play anywhere. Would also have to throw about $1M at coaching staff to get top tier coach and assistants.

Still may lose to a team with a skinner or another generational talent. 

That’s a farcical amount for volleyball. Maybe someday soon we get to those amounts, but that’s not true right now.

The most I’ve heard of in NIL collective money for a transfer was for Kaitlyn Hord, and it was nowhere approaching $200k.

I took the premise as a guarantee so farcical as those figures are, they’d certainly guarantee competing. Maybe half that would be the lowest amount needed, just comes with less of a guarantee.

[haterade]

Jan 23, 2024 15:30:02 GMT -5 slxpress said:

Jan 23, 2024 15:11:40 GMT -5 haterade said:

Same for SMU. They certainly weren’t bidding against themselves. They just did it too brazenly and pierced the, now fully dead, vale of amateurism.

SMU’s most serious punishments were for repeated infractions.

All the main schools using under the table money to compete in football in the area - OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M - all faced serious penalties. TCU turned themselves in under a new coach and was crippled for it. Bill Yeoman had to resign after an illustrious career at UH (father of the triple option and broke the color barrier in the state) for impermissible benefits. It’s not like SMU was singled out. Their problem wasn’t that they were caught. Their problem is that they were caught, admitted to it, said they’d stop, and then kept going. You’re whitewashing the behavior a bit.

I certainly wasn’t alive when all that happened so I don’t doubt your recap. My knowledge is narrowly confined to the Pony Express 30 for 30. SMU was just the most obvious example from the past that college football recruiting has been paying players for years. Things have been this way, only under the table, well before Reggie got punished.

[slxpress]

You could put together a heck of a team with $20k per transfer player. The amounts floating around the transfer portal in volleyball are just not that much, yet. There aren’t enough programs with serious volleyball oriented NIL collectives, yet.