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Post by genisvel on Feb 2, 2024 18:54:09 GMT -5
Agreed. And everything we're hearing on the LOVB side is rumor.
Honestly, if people want to side with LOVB, that's fine. I especially understand it if you're in Houston, Austin or Wisconsin.
And I make no secret I'm in the PVF camp. Not just because I have a local PVF team, but because I am a fan of a local team and I want them to try and dominate. Not have some out-of-state non-locals who aren't familiar with the market and local culture "assign" players to my team to either create some kind of artificial parity, or, puff up certain markets because the office knows one market over another.
Add in the whole "Shop Local" aspect...
I just see way more positives with the franchise model. But I don't feel anyone has to agree with me. On the other side, I hope that I answered the question in the OP while making it clear where my biases lie.
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Post by Freeman on Feb 2, 2024 19:13:36 GMT -5
I just don’t see a scenario in which LOVB succeeds with a professional league. The timing is poor, the model is suspect, and being 2nd to market isn’t the best when 1st to market is doing so well.
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 2, 2024 20:08:49 GMT -5
I just don’t see a scenario in which LOVB succeeds with a professional league. The timing is poor, the model is suspect, and being 2nd to market isn’t the best when 1st to market is doing so well. I don't know about the model, but I think the timing is actually better. There will be more people watching volleyball during the Olympics than at any other time, so I think that launching after the Olympics (especially if Team USA repeats) is ideal in a vacuum. Obviously, being second complicates that, but still. The reality is that we just don't know enough about LOVB at this point. What happens if they announce a much better TV deal than what PVF has?
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Post by anastasia1 on Feb 2, 2024 21:21:09 GMT -5
i do think that the “draft” PVF did kind of catch the eye of non volleyball watchers i know my dad was like yeah i saw a volleyball draft what is that about 😂 is LOVB doing a draft type thing as well? i just see signing annoucements
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Post by vbfamily on Feb 2, 2024 21:44:44 GMT -5
They could buy an existing club, or just start a new one that is based within their own facilities. The point is, the junior club part of their organization is the simplest part. I'm genuinely curious if LOVB has ever built a youth club from the ground up. I thought they just bought out already existing ones. Madtown in Madison, WI
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Post by n00b on Feb 2, 2024 21:45:43 GMT -5
i do think that the “draft” PVF did kind of catch the eye of non volleyball watchers i know my dad was like yeah i saw a volleyball draft what is that about 😂 is LOVB doing a draft type thing as well? i just see signing annoucements The league is assigning players to teams. So a draft wouldn’t make sense.
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Post by bubbrubb on Feb 2, 2024 21:46:17 GMT -5
LOVB feels more like a clothing line than a league
Either way, I feel both have raised gross amounts of money before ever playing a game. Wrong way to go about it imho. I think multiple regional leagues (bus) can work in the US, but question a nation-wide one.
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 2, 2024 22:31:35 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. If LOVB fails, who runs the teams? Whoever buys the assets. I'm not familiar with LOVBs structure but generally speaking, if say Salt Lake doesn't make it, the assets - i.e. players contracts, customer data, trademarks, etc, are sold to cover debts (if the team fails there are presumably some debts). PVF has an interested invester who wants to put a team in Denver which s/he thinks will go better if they have rights to local girls like Haleigh Washington and Jordyn Poulter so s/he buys Salt Lake instead of an expansion franchise where he then has to compete for Washington and Poulter. Now, again, IDK enough about LOVBs structure to know if buying the franchise gets them anywhere with the players, or what assets would exist or what it would be worth. Just saying that the absence of a currently dedicated owner doesn't mean that a future dedicated owner is out of the question.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 2, 2024 22:49:23 GMT -5
If LOVB fails, who runs the teams? Whoever buys the assets. I'm not familiar with LOVBs structure but generally speaking, if say Salt Lake doesn't make it, the assets - i.e. players contracts, customer data, trademarks, etc, are sold to cover debts (if the team fails there are presumably some debts). PVF has an interested invester who wants to put a team in Denver which s/he thinks will go better if they have rights to local girls like Haleigh Washington and Jordyn Poulter so s/he buys Salt Lake instead of an expansion franchise where he then has to compete for Washington and Poulter. Now, again, IDK enough about LOVBs structure to know if buying the franchise gets them anywhere with the players, or what assets would exist or what it would be worth. Just saying that the absence of a currently dedicated owner doesn't mean that a future dedicated owner is out of the question. LOVB has attracted a lot of angel investor money, but it’s giving me big-time Theranos vibes.
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Post by anastasia1 on Feb 2, 2024 23:25:39 GMT -5
i do think that the “draft” PVF did kind of catch the eye of non volleyball watchers i know my dad was like yeah i saw a volleyball draft what is that about 😂 is LOVB doing a draft type thing as well? i just see signing annoucements The league is assigning players to teams. So a draft wouldn’t make sense. okay the assigning players to teams makes no sense to me and is so weird 😭
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Post by genisvel on Feb 2, 2024 23:54:47 GMT -5
okay the assigning players to teams makes no sense to me and is so weird 😭 You follow the Longhorns, right? Imagine that Chris Del Conte wasn't just the AD of Texas. Imagine he hired and fired every coach in the Big XII and he was also in charge of admissions for every school in the conference. That's single entity.
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Post by anastasia1 on Feb 3, 2024 3:48:28 GMT -5
okay the assigning players to teams makes no sense to me and is so weird 😭 You follow the Longhorns, right? Imagine that Chris Del Conte wasn't just the AD of Texas. Imagine he hired and fired every coach in the Big XII and he was also in charge of admissions for every school in the conference. That's single entity. i dont like it omg is that really the LOVB model? that cant work out in the long run
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 4:42:56 GMT -5
okay the assigning players to teams makes no sense to me and is so weird 😭 You follow the Longhorns, right? Imagine that Chris Del Conte wasn't just the AD of Texas. Imagine he hired and fired every coach in the Big XII and he was also in charge of admissions for every school in the conference. That's single entity. ew wtf… PVF SUPREMACY!!!
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Post by firstballstrikeout on Feb 3, 2024 5:06:00 GMT -5
LOVB seems to be following a European model, with clubs feeding the pro teams. Can it work here? Maybe. The big difference I see is that Europe does not have a college system in the way the US has the NCAA. PVF is a more traditional US style league. Not having to own local clubs frees PVF to enter any market at will. I read somewhere that LOVB spent 5 years building their club presence. Will they need to be in a market for multiple years before a pro team can form? Only time will tell which model is better. As a personal preference, I like the PVF franchise model better, but that doesn't mean it will succeed. The part about NCAA volleyball is true. In the European model, the clubs have a chance to keep athletes from the youth ranks all the way to the professional level, which is unlikely here. But the major major difference is that in the European model, the Pro teams financially back the youth clubs, not the other way around like LOVB. From a business standpoint, this is probably a genius way to go about things. From the standpoint of the best interest of the sport, I would argue this is quite possibly the worst way, and there are some things that could go wrong in a hurry.
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Post by genisvel on Feb 3, 2024 6:59:11 GMT -5
...But the major major difference is that in the European model, the Pro teams financially back the youth clubs, not the other way around like LOVB. From a business standpoint, this is probably a genius way to go about things. From the standpoint of the best interest of the sport, I would argue this is quite possibly the worst way, and there are some things that could go wrong in a hurry. I have to assume that the Pro clubs at least becoming self-sufficient is the long-term goal. If the pro clubs ever become profitable I doubt club fees would come down, though.
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