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Post by coisavioleta on Feb 2, 2024 13:37:36 GMT -5
As someone who's not in any loop with respect to US National Team volleyball, does anyone know why so many former and current USNT members are committing to LOVB as opposed to PVF? Is this political (in the sense that there's an agreement with one league and not the other), or are there other considerations at play? It's clear that this year, since PVF overlaps with the international league seasons that people currently playing overseas can't commit to PVF teams, but presumably they could for next year.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 2, 2024 13:47:52 GMT -5
How much do they pay?
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Post by anastasia1 on Feb 2, 2024 13:53:03 GMT -5
thanks for making this thread lol like im still confused on the difference tbh 😩
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Post by tenfootliner on Feb 2, 2024 13:57:11 GMT -5
PVF is 60K minimum, not sure about LOVB |
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Post by northwoods on Feb 2, 2024 14:00:21 GMT -5
LOVB is starting after the Paris Olympics so there are a few considerations there:
1) Many USA players were already under contract elsewhere for this season leading up to Paris.
2) USA coaches believe Italy & Turkey provide the best training and the year before Paris isn’t the time to challenge that by doing PVF.
3) A good number of A teamers are likely to retire after Paris & a few years in LOVB is a good way to extend their playing life.
4) Guessing LOVB offers some path to club management/coaching for players at the end of their career which may be attractive to some.
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Post by genisvel on Feb 2, 2024 14:01:09 GMT -5
As someone who's not in any loop with respect to US National Team volleyball, does anyone know why so many former and current USNT members are committing to LOVB as opposed to PVF? Is this political (in the sense that there's an agreement with one league and not the other), or are there other considerations at play? It's clear that this year, since PVF overlaps with the international league seasons that people currently playing overseas can't commit to PVF teams, but presumably they could for next year.  Many of the front office people at USAVB are also involved with LOVB, who, as a company, have bought youth clubs and are creating a number of professional volleyball teams that will all be run by their California offices. PVF are a bunch of capitalists that each own a team and have agreed to abide by the rules and regulations of PVF, which is it's own, self contained company. Of those owners, I think only two (Atlanta and San Diego) have had any previous affiliation with a previously existing volleyball governing body. Each has it's pros and cons. I have serious questions about conflict of interests LOVB may have as USAVB also runs a network of youth clubs. That's on top of questions about how youth volleyball fees are probably being used for things other than youth volleyball. But, I admit that because PVF is in my market and LOVB is not, I'm biased. USAVB and PVF has also announced a buisness partnership, but the nature of which was left vague. Commercials for USAVB youth clubs have been running during PVF games. The USNT players that have signed with LOVB have mostly been starters, while the ones signed with PVF have been NT bench-riders or players who've only seen the inside of the NT gym in Anaheim. |
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Post by slxpress on Feb 2, 2024 14:59:54 GMT -5
As someone who's not in any loop with respect to US National Team volleyball, does anyone know why so many former and current USNT members are committing to LOVB as opposed to PVF? Is this political (in the sense that there's an agreement with one league and not the other), or are there other considerations at play? It's clear that this year, since PVF overlaps with the international league seasons that people currently playing overseas can't commit to PVF teams, but presumably they could for next year. Many of the front office people at USAVB are also involved with LOVB, who, as a company, have bought youth clubs and are creating a number of professional volleyball teams that will all be run by their California offices. PVF are a bunch of capitalists that each own a team and have agreed to abide by the rules and regulations of PVF, which is it's own, self contained company. Of those owners, I think only two (Atlanta and San Diego) have had any previous affiliation with a previously existing volleyball governing body. Each has it's pros and cons. I have serious questions about conflict of interests LOVB may have as USAVB also runs a network of youth clubs. That's on top of questions about how youth volleyball fees are probably being used for things other than youth volleyball. But, I admit that because PVF is in my market and LOVB is not, I'm biased. USAVB and PVF has also announced a buisness partnership, but the nature of which was left vague. Commercials for USAVB youth clubs have been running during PVF games. The USNT players that have signed with LOVB have mostly been starters, while the ones signed with PVF have been NT bench-riders or players who've only seen the inside of the NT gym in Anaheim. All I know is that there is zero chance there's not some kind of merger or one of them folds. Some of that will be determined by revenue generation, including and especially media contracts. Some of it will be determined by how deep the pockets are of the ownership. Also, the Athletes Unlimited league will be under severe competitive pressure. Having a spectacular athlete who can be marketed as the face of the league would be helpful. If someone stands out during the Olympics that would be the person. |
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Post by nucats on Feb 2, 2024 15:04:25 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 2, 2024 15:08:34 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. the business model of using kids to fund their professional endeavors? |
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 2, 2024 15:19:34 GMT -5
Many of the front office people at USAVB are also involved with LOVB, who, as a company, have bought youth clubs and are creating a number of professional volleyball teams that will all be run by their California offices. PVF are a bunch of capitalists that each own a team and have agreed to abide by the rules and regulations of PVF, which is it's own, self contained company. Of those owners, I think only two (Atlanta and San Diego) have had any previous affiliation with a previously existing volleyball governing body. Each has it's pros and cons. I have serious questions about conflict of interests LOVB may have as USAVB also runs a network of youth clubs. That's on top of questions about how youth volleyball fees are probably being used for things other than youth volleyball. But, I admit that because PVF is in my market and LOVB is not, I'm biased. USAVB and PVF has also announced a buisness partnership, but the nature of which was left vague. Commercials for USAVB youth clubs have been running during PVF games. The USNT players that have signed with LOVB have mostly been starters, while the ones signed with PVF have been NT bench-riders or players who've only seen the inside of the NT gym in Anaheim. All I know is that there is zero chance there's not some kind of merger or one of them folds. Some of that will be determined by revenue generation, including and especially media contracts. Some of it will be determined by how deep the pockets are of the ownership. Also, the Athletes Unlimited league will be under severe competitive pressure. Having a spectacular athlete who can be marketed as the face of the league would be helpful. If someone stands out during the Olympics that would be the person. I agree that some kind of merger will probably happen at some point, though both folding could also happen. Establishing a pro sports league is hard. I hope that both leagues are successful enough that they merge without any teams folding, but that's probably not the most realistic outcome. |
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Post by nucats on Feb 2, 2024 15:20:09 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. the business model of using kids to fund their professional endeavors? Yes |
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Post by genisvel on Feb 2, 2024 15:24:03 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. History says otherwise. Single-entity leagues in North America have either switched to franchise models or have folded. Sometimes mid-season. I won't say that single-entity will never succeed. But If I had to bet on each team being supported by a group of rich people against a single group of rich people trying to manage 4-12 teams, I'd bet on the former. As far as people thinking that they merge or one buys out the other: It's happened with almost every other league, but, there's a big difference here: If LOVB fails, who runs the teams? In the case of the American Football League, The American Baseball Association, and the World Hockey Organization: All of those teams were also franchises. Those owners were just agreeing to new partnerships with the other league. The LOVB teams don't have individual owners who can just switch sides. If PVF fails, can LOVB's office handel a sudden increase in the number of teams they're running? In Grand Rapids they have no youth clubs to support the Pro team, so it would dissappear. The franchises in Atlanta and Omaha would be redundant. I have serious doubts that history would repeat itself this time. |
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 2, 2024 15:35:15 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. History says otherwise. Single-entity leagues in North America have either switched to franchise models or have folded. Sometimes mid-season. I won't say that single-entity will never succeed. But If I had to bet on each team being supported by a group of rich people against a single group of rich people trying to manage 4-12 teams, I'd bet on the former. As far as people thinking that they merge or one buys out the other: It's happened with almost every other league, but, there's a big difference here: If LOVB fails, who runs the teams? In the case of the American Football League, The American Baseball Association, and the World Hockey Organization: All of those teams were also franchises. Those owners were just agreeing to new partnerships with the other league. The LOVB teams don't have individual owners who can just switch sides. If PVF fails, can LOVB's office handel a sudden increase in the number of teams they're running? In Grand Rapids they have no youth clubs to support the Pro team, so it would dissappear. The franchises in Atlanta and Omaha would be redundant. I have serious doubts that history would repeat itself this time. Well, a merger might just be a couple of teams, not the entire league. The NBA and NHL mergers involved taking on four teams from the ABA and WHO. Anyway, you do make some good points, but I would imagine that a merger would still involve at least a couple of teams joining the other league. But we're kind of getting ahead of ourselves. PVF just launched, and LOVB hasn't even launched yet. It remains to be seen how viable either of them are. |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Feb 2, 2024 15:36:50 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. History says otherwise. Single-entity leagues in North America have either switched to franchise models or have folded. Sometimes mid-season. I won't say that single-entity will never succeed. But If I had to bet on each team being supported by a group of rich people against a single group of rich people trying to manage 4-12 teams, I'd bet on the former. As far as people thinking that they merge or one buys out the other: It's happened with almost every other league, but, there's a big difference here: If LOVB fails, who runs the teams? In the case of the American Football League, The American Baseball Association, and the World Hockey Organization: All of those teams were also franchises. Those owners were just agreeing to new partnerships with the other league. The LOVB teams don't have individual owners who can just switch sides. If PVF fails, can LOVB's office handel a sudden increase in the number of teams they're running? In Grand Rapids they have no youth clubs to support the Pro team, so it would dissappear. The franchises in Atlanta and Omaha would be redundant. I have serious doubts that history would repeat itself this time. No clubs in Grand Rapids? outside of this factually inaccurate statement I agree with your assesment on the two leagues. |
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Post by eazy on Feb 2, 2024 15:37:20 GMT -5
LOVB has a chance of making it with their business model. PVF will not. If PVF fails, can LOVB's office handel a sudden increase in the number of teams they're running? In Grand Rapids they have no youth clubs to support the Pro team, so it would dissappear. The franchises in Atlanta and Omaha would be redundant. FWIW - MVA I believe that is where the Rise practice. Also This |
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