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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 11, 2024 17:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 11, 2024 17:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by VT Karen on Feb 11, 2024 17:53:21 GMT -5
Thank you for posting SOS numbers. But where are these from? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 11, 2024 18:20:31 GMT -5
Thank you for posting SOS numbers. But where are these from? Massey They still include some 2023 component In another 2 weeks they ll improve more |
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Post by noblesol on Feb 11, 2024 18:35:16 GMT -5
As usual, Massey makes a mess of the Hawai'i schedule, so the accuracy of its SoS calculation will lag some until corrections are made. KPI is interesting to watch as the season unfolds, although still too early for it to be closely reflective of the reality of relative strengths: faktorsports.com/NCAA RPI isn't out yet, but here's the link to watch for it: www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/nc-mens-volleyball-rpi |
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Post by vballstartedit on Feb 12, 2024 1:10:30 GMT -5
Any replay for the 2nd game?
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Post by VT Karen on Feb 12, 2024 1:14:14 GMT -5
As usual, Massey makes a mess of the Hawai'i schedule, so the accuracy of its SoS calculation will lag some until corrections are made. KPI is interesting to watch as the season unfolds, although still too early for it to be closely reflective of the reality of relative strengths: faktorsports.com/NCAA RPI isn't out yet, but here's the link to watch for it: www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/nc-mens-volleyball-rpiHow does Massey make a mess of Hawaii's schedule? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 12, 2024 1:47:03 GMT -5
As usual, Massey makes a mess of the Hawai'i schedule, so the accuracy of its SoS calculation will lag some until corrections are made. KPI is interesting to watch as the season unfolds, although still too early for it to be closely reflective of the reality of relative strengths: faktorsports.com/NCAA RPI isn't out yet, but here's the link to watch for it: www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/nc-mens-volleyball-rpiHow does Massey make a mess of Hawaii's schedule? future Hawaii home matches show as double many times, so the future Strength of Schedule will not be precise. and it will show Hawaii with like 40 or so matches scheduled. It's a quirk that's been in his ratings for a long time, something with the time of matches scheduled and a flaw with importing schedule of Hawaii especially. I thought he explained to me once a few year back, and has never corrected whatever quick in the Hawaii schedules that are imported. The double counting for Hawaii home matches eventually gets corrected after the matches are played, just often delayed, which can be the annoying part it's an annoyance. I think MVB is down the list of importance on all his ratings. just creates a lag. He'll respond to email if a match results is delayed to get incorporated. I usually try to limit requests to remind him to update to a couple times a season, so as not to pester him too much. His ratings were amd are basically the only sound statistical measure out there for a long time, to compare to RPI which was nothing more than a contrived formula. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Feb 12, 2024 1:49:05 GMT -5
is it just me or does beachbythebay remind you guys of archiepelago?
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Post by VT Karen on Feb 12, 2024 1:57:55 GMT -5
is it just me or does beachbythebay remind you guys of archiepelago? Interesting that you brought this up and I've held this thought in for a while. But you actually remind me of archiepelago. |
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Post by noblesol on Feb 12, 2024 2:02:27 GMT -5
As usual, Massey makes a mess of the Hawai'i schedule, so the accuracy of its SoS calculation will lag some until corrections are made. KPI is interesting to watch as the season unfolds, although still too early for it to be closely reflective of the reality of relative strengths: faktorsports.com/NCAA RPI isn't out yet, but here's the link to watch for it: www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/nc-mens-volleyball-rpiHow does Massey make a mess of Hawaii's schedule? compare: masseyratings.com/cmvol2024/3197 vs. hawaiiathletics.com/sports/mens-volleyball/scheduleMassey currently misses two past Hawai'i matches, and for future schedule has multiple errors. This could impact SoS and SSF for Hawai'i, and carry over to the SoS and SSF calculations for other teams on the Hawai'i schedule. The size of the inaccuracy may not be large, but it's hard to judge the impact to rankings which could be tight. I've looked at Massey for many years, and the errors are common in the Massey scan of the Hawai'i MVB schedule. Why? Maybe it's a time zone issue with whatever schedule pickup that Massey is using. It can take weeks to months for Massey to catch and fix, even after being notified. Why? I suspect men's volleyball isn't a high priority for the site. More focused on other sports, e.g. men's basketball. |
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Post by noblesol on Feb 12, 2024 2:05:16 GMT -5
How does Massey make a mess of Hawaii's schedule? future Hawaii home matches show as double many times, so the future Strength of Schedule will not be precise. and it will show Hawaii with like 40 or so matches scheduled. It's a quirk that's been in his ratings for a long time, something with the time of matches scheduled and a flaw with importing schedule of Hawaii especially. I thought he explained to me once a few year back, and has never corrected whatever quick in the Hawaii schedules that are imported. The double counting for Hawaii home matches eventually gets corrected after the matches are played, just often delayed, which can be the annoying part it's an annoyance. I think MVB is down the list of importance on all his ratings. just creates a lag. He'll respond to email if a match results is delayed to get incorporated. I usually try to limit requests to remind him to update to a couple times a season, so as not to pester him too much. His ratings were amd are basically the only sound statistical measure out there for a long time, to compare to RPI which was nothing more than a contrived formula. Thanks. You posted while I was working on my response. We're on the same page re Massey. |
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Post by VT Karen on Feb 12, 2024 2:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 12, 2024 2:18:19 GMT -5
future Hawaii home matches show as double many times, so the future Strength of Schedule will not be precise. and it will show Hawaii with like 40 or so matches scheduled. It's a quirk that's been in his ratings for a long time, something with the time of matches scheduled and a flaw with importing schedule of Hawaii especially. I thought he explained to me once a few year back, and has never corrected whatever quick in the Hawaii schedules that are imported. The double counting for Hawaii home matches eventually gets corrected after the matches are played, just often delayed, which can be the annoying part it's an annoyance. I think MVB is down the list of importance on all his ratings. just creates a lag. He'll respond to email if a match results is delayed to get incorporated. I usually try to limit requests to remind him to update to a couple times a season, so as not to pester him too much. His ratings were amd are basically the only sound statistical measure out there for a long time, to compare to RPI which was nothing more than a contrived formula. Thanks. You posted while I was working on my response. We're on the same page re Massey. what's interesting is there are some other non-Hawaii errors, but none are ever severe as the Hawaii home double counting. for INstance Long Beach played and beat King twice. Massey only shows the one match. It almost makes me think there is some other entry that gets fouled up on the import of schedules before matches are played, cause that one would not seem to be a time schedule quirk I really don't think the issue (double counting of a match, or single count of a two matches with the same results) creates all that significant of an error, simply because the ordering that results from beating (or losing) to a team doesn't alter the rating % impact of a result all that much. If the issue was incorporating incorrect results from matches, then yeah the impact would be significant. true though that it's not precise until corrected, and the omission or double counts of matches until they are corrected is annoying. I'm just glad there's well established algorithm provided aside from RPI. Massey ratings cover a lot of sports. And he actually has two rating indexes. His standard, and then his Power rating, where I believe the Power rating incorporates sets and/or points as well as the simple rating based on W-L. Match predictions are based on the Power and not the standard |
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Post by noblesol on Feb 12, 2024 2:29:31 GMT -5
Thanks. You posted while I was working on my response. We're on the same page re Massey. what's interesting is there are some other non-Hawaii errors, but none are ever severe as the Hawaii home double counting. for INstance Long Beach played and beat King twice. Massey only shows the one match. It almost makes me think there is some other entry that gets fouled up on the import of schedules before matches are played, cause that one would not seem to be a time schedule quirk I really don't think the issue (double counting of a match, or single count of a two matches with the same results) creates all that significant of an error, simply because the ordering that results from beating (or losing) to a team doesn't alter the rating % impact of a result all that much. If the issue was incorporating incorrect results from matches, then yeah the impact would be significant. true though that it's not precise until corrected, and the omission or double counts of matches until they are corrected is annoying. I'm just glad there's well established algorithm provided aside from RPI. Massey ratings cover a lot of sports. And he actually has two rating indexes. His standard, and then his Power rating, where I believe the Power rating incorporates sets and/or points as well as the simple rating based on W-L. Match predictions are based on the Power and not the standard I've enjoyed playing around with the match predictions. But knowing that the database has some garbage in, and not knowing how much garbage out that creates, annoying. It might be small, but could still impact some tight rankings and match predictions. And knowing it won't get fixed anytime soon, annoying. |
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