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Post by coachmp24 on Feb 6, 2024 15:18:29 GMT -5
Most coaches will say serve receive is either the first or second most important skill, yet it often goes unappreciated at the individual level. For example: there's offensive, defensive, and serving awards every week, but rarely a "best passer" award, weekly or annually. I wanted to create this thread to recognize great passing performances around the country.
For starters, here are my top passers in the country. Please let me know who I'm missing:
1. Thomas Poole - Ohio State
2. Ethan Champlin - UCLA
3. Eleu Choi - Hawaii
4. Mason Briggs - Long Beach St.
5. Jacob Pasteur - Ohio State
6. Chaz Galloway - Hawaii
7. Ryan Merk - Penn State
8. Cole Power - UCI
9. Paul Wyszynski - George Mason
10. Max Roquet - Lewis
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Post by vinnielopes on Feb 6, 2024 16:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by wilbur on Feb 6, 2024 17:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Feb 6, 2024 21:15:54 GMT -5
Is volleydork still operational?
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Post by raian13 on Feb 6, 2024 22:04:18 GMT -5
Most coaches will say serve receive is either the first or second most important skill, yet it often goes unappreciated at the individual level. For example: there's offensive, defensive, and serving awards every week, but rarely a "best passer" award, weekly or annually. I wanted to create this thread to recognize great passing performances around the country. For starters, here are my top passers in the country. Please let me know who I'm missing: 1. Thomas Poole - Ohio State 2. Ethan Champlin - UCLA 3. Eleu Choi - Hawaii 4. Mason Briggs - Long Beach St. 5. Jacob Pasteur - Ohio State 6. Chaz Galloway - Hawaii 7. Ryan Merk - Penn State 8. Cole Power - UCI 9. Paul Wyszynski - George Mason 10. Max Roquet - Lewis Is this just based on eye test or there some stat to back it up? Choy at #3 is something of a shock to me. |
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Post by coachmp24 on Feb 6, 2024 22:47:19 GMT -5
Most coaches will say serve receive is either the first or second most important skill, yet it often goes unappreciated at the individual level. For example: there's offensive, defensive, and serving awards every week, but rarely a "best passer" award, weekly or annually. I wanted to create this thread to recognize great passing performances around the country. For starters, here are my top passers in the country. Please let me know who I'm missing: 1. Thomas Poole - Ohio State 2. Ethan Champlin - UCLA 3. Eleu Choi - Hawaii 4. Mason Briggs - Long Beach St. 5. Jacob Pasteur - Ohio State 6. Chaz Galloway - Hawaii 7. Ryan Merk - Penn State 8. Cole Power - UCI 9. Paul Wyszynski - George Mason 10. Max Roquet - Lewis Is this just based on eye test or there some stat to back it up? Choy at #3 is something of a shock to me. Yeah, I really didn't know what to expect from Choy going into this year. I do not have access to volleymetrics or anything like that. I just saw in the box scores that he wasn't getting aced (.965 Rec % & only 0.16 RE/set) which I think puts him in the top 10ish in these categories. Granted, this is a small sample size against weaker competition, but I think he's looked like the real deal in what I've seen of him in their top 20 matches this year (Loyola Chicago, Purdue FW, Ball State). I'm especially looking forward to seeing how Choy and Galloway do this week against Stanford, who (when they're on) can be one of the best serving teams in the country. |
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Post by chadgordon on Feb 6, 2024 22:56:51 GMT -5
Is volleydork still operational? He’s a bit of a slacker - but yes, operational. I’ll see if I can get some updated passers for you 👍🏼 |
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Feb 7, 2024 18:14:06 GMT -5
LOL. We all know it’s a labor of love.
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Post by jayz34 on Feb 8, 2024 12:09:35 GMT -5
Is volleydork still operational? He’s a bit of a slacker - but yes, operational. I’ll see if I can get some updated passers for you 👍🏼 Thanks for hooking us up! For anyone who hadn't seen the post: |
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Post by cosmo on Feb 8, 2024 23:57:14 GMT -5
He’s a bit of a slacker - but yes, operational. I’ll see if I can get some updated passers for you 👍🏼 Thanks for hooking us up! For anyone who hadn't seen the post: Briggs is receiving 45% for LBSU? That's probably the most absurd stat on that chart. |
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Post by ucscfan12 on Feb 9, 2024 1:10:32 GMT -5
Jalen Suwa should be here
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Post by southeast on Feb 9, 2024 7:59:55 GMT -5
Thanks for hooking us up! For anyone who hadn't seen the post: Briggs is receiving 45% for LBSU? That's probably the most absurd stat on that chart. Can someone please help me understand the chart. To me the biggest factor in determining best passer should be good pass % and passer rating. To me that should drop a few of the guys in the top 5 and should move some others in the 6-10 range up. |
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Post by volleydino on Feb 9, 2024 9:05:35 GMT -5
Briggs is receiving 45% for LBSU? That's probably the most absurd stat on that chart. Can someone please help me understand the chart. To me the biggest factor in determining best passer should be good pass % and passer rating. To me that should drop a few of the guys in the top 5 and should move some others in the 6-10 range up. Reading the table, I see it has to do primarily with impact on a team’s offensive efficiency, given X person passing. A quality pass will translate more often to a side out. And the comparison here is within team - so by how much, given X passes, is the same team more likely to side out / score? |
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Post by southeast on Feb 9, 2024 11:38:43 GMT -5
Can someone please help me understand the chart. To me the biggest factor in determining best passer should be good pass % and passer rating. To me that should drop a few of the guys in the top 5 and should move some others in the 6-10 range up. Reading the table, I see it has to do primarily with impact on a team’s offensive efficiency, given X person passing. A quality pass will translate more often to a side out. And the comparison here is within team - so by how much, given X passes, is the same team more likely to side out / score? I appreciate your take on it and agree with you that this is most likely the way that figure is calculated. I just totally disagree with it. The top passer is the guy who is passing the highest rating on a 4.0 or 3.0 scale. I don't think a top passer calculation should have any influence by a setter or a hitter, it should be on the actual pass. |
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Post by wilbur on Feb 9, 2024 12:00:30 GMT -5
I love this type of rating and the general spirit of all of volleydork's analysis where the attempt is to moneyball the stats so they more closely connect to a teams W-L stat line. Maybe if it was labeled most "effective" passer... but you can't please all the people all the time.
One thing I wish the NCAA would track is points won off serve instead of just aces and missed serves. E.g., if a player serves 3 times in a row that is 2 points despite how it was scored. Most teams track this but if it was a public stat I think it would have an impact on players and how they approach serving and the overall game. It would also make it easier for some fans to understand why missed serves are part of the game.
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