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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 18, 2024 17:49:38 GMT -5
Why do democrats always remind me of greasy oily used car salesman. Was one single bank defrauded? Was a single bank unhappy with the Trump organization? Like every other business the Trump organization was trying to get a more competitive interest rate. Since they had always paid their loans back in spades and even sometimes before the deadline, the banks considered them very solid customers. So who did they defraud? Absolutely no one. With a property down the street from Mar-a-Lago bringing $200 million, it’s obviously it’s obvious the Trump organization did not overinflate Mar-a-Lago worth. This is all about politics. If Donald Trump was not a candidate nor had he ran for president this wouldn’t even be an issue. People like Akbar, are as worthless and useless to this country is a bag of %*$#. Yes, the banks who gave him loans were defrauded, because the loan terms they gave him were based on inaccurate and fraudulent information. Mar-a-Lago has a permanent deed restriction which limits its uses, so it is likely not a valid comparision to the $200 million dollar property down the street. As usual, Trump is valuing the property at its best possible imagined use, even though that use is not possible. The same thing happened with his Silver Springs property that was valued by him and Eric at $161M, when it was actually 5M. Again, the only argument Trump has is that it's political and that everyone does what he does, except that eveyone doesn't do what he does. [br What a bunch of horse%*$#. The banks were completely happy. In fact your hack of investigators couldn’t find one single bank that was unhappy with doing business with Trump. Not one single bank moron.
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Post by BearClause on Feb 18, 2024 19:13:11 GMT -5
Why do democrats always remind me of greasy oily used car salesman. Was one single bank defrauded? Was a single bank unhappy with the Trump organization? Like every other business the Trump organization was trying to get a more competitive interest rate. Since they had always paid their loans back in spades and even sometimes before the deadline, the banks considered them very solid customers. So who did they defraud? Absolutely no one. With a property down the street from Mar-a-Lago bringing $200 million, it’s obviously it’s obvious the Trump organization did not overinflate Mar-a-Lago worth. This is all about politics. If Donald Trump was not a candidate nor had he ran for president this wouldn’t even be an issue. People like Akbar, are as worthless and useless to this country is a bag of %*$#. All the banks that did business with Trump were defrauded. He obtained favorable interest rates because of his inflated appraisals. Banks lost money because of FRAUD. This has nothing to do with Democrats. Someone overrode the decisions at Deusche Bank where Trump was deemed to be too risky to lend to. And I find it laughtable that anyone would claim that he didn't default. He did default on Deusche Bank loans. There were clearly people there warning against doing business with Trump but someone higher up wanted him just for the publicity, even though he had already defaults on his loans with them and even sued them. Of course the Trump Org was a NY company and no amount of trying to shuffle around corporate structure is going to change that Trump did all his business out of HQ in Manhattan. He had to file financial statements for his entire business for NY state and no amount of Holiday's brainless bloviating changes that he was respensible for providing accurate statements.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:47 GMT -5
Yes, the banks who gave him loans were defrauded, because the loan terms they gave him were based on inaccurate and fraudulent information. Mar-a-Lago has a permanent deed restriction which limits its uses, so it is likely not a valid comparision to the $200 million dollar property down the street. As usual, Trump is valuing the property at its best possible imagined use, even though that use is not possible. The same thing happened with his Silver Springs property that was valued by him and Eric at $161M, when it was actually 5M. Again, the only argument Trump has is that it's political and that everyone does what he does, except that eveyone doesn't do what he does. [br What a bunch of horse%*$#. The banks were completely happy. In fact your hack of investigators couldn’t find one single bank that was unhappy with doing business with Trump. Not one single bank moron. Banks were happy only because Trump got lucky and didn't go bankrupt this time around, you know like he has soooo many times in the past for which tax payers bailed him out. You or anybody else tries to pull his stunts and they would suffer the same fate, why should he be exempt? "Survey of Past New York Felony Prosecutions for Falsifying Business Records" "The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes. The People of the State of New York v. Scott Kirtland (February 2022) — Insurance broker indicted for allegedly creating/filing fraudulent certificates of liability insurance to further scheme to defraud. The People of the State of New York v. James Garner (November 2021) — Mental health therapy aide indicted for allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits. The People of the State of New York v. Jose Palmer (November 2016) — Pleaded guilty to petit larceny for unemployment benefits fraud of over $3,000, having initially been indicted for grand larceny and falsifying business records in the first degree. The People of the State of New York v. Jason Holley (November 2016) — Convicted by jury of falsifying business records in the first degree but acquitted of the predicate crime, insurance fraud." etc, etc www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/
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Post by Mocha on Feb 18, 2024 23:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:20:55 GMT -5
did he default on any loan? Did he miss any payment?So how can he be convicted of defrauding anyone when will no one was defrauded Einstein.Another brilliant point as always.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:21:50 GMT -5
[br What a bunch of horse%*$#. The banks were completely happy. In fact your hack of investigators couldn’t find one single bank that was unhappy with doing business with Trump. Not one single bank moron. Banks were happy only because Trump got lucky and didn't go bankrupt this time around, you know like he has soooo many times in the past for which tax payers bailed him out. You or anybody else tries to pull his stunts and they would suffer the same fate, why should he be exempt? "Survey of Past New York Felony Prosecutions for Falsifying Business Records" "The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes. The People of the State of New York v. Scott Kirtland (February 2022) — Insurance broker indicted for allegedly creating/filing fraudulent certificates of liability insurance to further scheme to defraud. The People of the State of New York v. James Garner (November 2021) — Mental health therapy aide indicted for allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits. The People of the State of New York v. Jose Palmer (November 2016) — Pleaded guilty to petit larceny for unemployment benefits fraud of over $3,000, having initially been indicted for grand larceny and falsifying business records in the first degree. The People of the State of New York v. Jason Holley (November 2016) — Convicted by jury of falsifying business records in the first degree but acquitted of the predicate crime, insurance fraud." etc, etc www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/So yes, you admit that banks were completely happy. You’re making progress booby. You actually told the truth for just a little bit.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Feb 19, 2024 8:25:48 GMT -5
Banks were happy only because Trump got lucky and didn't go bankrupt this time around, you know like he has soooo many times in the past for which tax payers bailed him out. You or anybody else tries to pull his stunts and they would suffer the same fate, why should he be exempt? "Survey of Past New York Felony Prosecutions for Falsifying Business Records" "The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes. The People of the State of New York v. Scott Kirtland (February 2022) — Insurance broker indicted for allegedly creating/filing fraudulent certificates of liability insurance to further scheme to defraud. The People of the State of New York v. James Garner (November 2021) — Mental health therapy aide indicted for allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits. The People of the State of New York v. Jose Palmer (November 2016) — Pleaded guilty to petit larceny for unemployment benefits fraud of over $3,000, having initially been indicted for grand larceny and falsifying business records in the first degree. The People of the State of New York v. Jason Holley (November 2016) — Convicted by jury of falsifying business records in the first degree but acquitted of the predicate crime, insurance fraud." etc, etc www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/So yes, you admit that banks were completely happy. You’re making progress booby. You actually told the truth for just a little bit. As usual, you miss the main point of what I said. The fact is Trump committed fraud regardless of how it turned out for the banks.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:28:14 GMT -5
So yes, you admit that banks were completely happy. You’re making progress booby. You actually told the truth for just a little bit. As usual, you miss the main point of what I said. The fact is Trump committed fraud regardless of how it turned out for the banks. The 99.9% of real estate developers commit fraud if that’s your definition. You people are so !!!!###$$$!!!ing stupid it’s just sad.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Feb 19, 2024 8:36:15 GMT -5
As usual, you miss the main point of what I said. The fact is Trump committed fraud regardless of how it turned out for the banks. The 99.9% of real estate developers commit fraud if that’s your definition. You people are so !!!!###$$$!!!ing stupid it’s just sad. I guess you never saw where Trump overstated dimensions and values as ridiculous amounts. Show me where 99.9% are off by the amounts Trump was.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:39:42 GMT -5
The 99.9% of real estate developers commit fraud if that’s your definition. You people are so !!!!###$$$!!!ing stupid it’s just sad. I guess you never saw where Trump overstated dimensions and values as ridiculous amounts. Show me where 99.9% are off by the amounts Trump was. The only estimate he gave that was in question was the value of Mar-a-Lago. If properties around Mar-a-Lago are bringing $200 million for the sane amount of land then what would that make Mar-a-Lago worth? Do you need time to think about it?
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Post by bobinmd on Feb 19, 2024 8:42:44 GMT -5
The 99.9% of real estate developers commit fraud if that’s your definition. You people are so !!!!###$$$!!!ing stupid it’s just sad. I guess you never saw where Trump overstated dimensions and values as ridiculous amounts. Show me where 99.9% are off by the amounts Trump was. I read some of it too and the extent of the fraud was crazy huge. Again Hol pulling percentages out of... you know. 💰
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Feb 19, 2024 8:43:27 GMT -5
I guess you never saw where Trump overstated dimensions and values as ridiculous amounts. Show me where 99.9% are off by the amounts Trump was. The only estimate he gave that was in question was the value of Mar-a-Lago. If properties around Mar-a-Lago are bringing $200 million for the sane amount of land then what would that make Mar-a-Lago worth? Do you need time to think about it? Just to name a few items off the top of my head. There was the fact that Mar-a-Lago had development restrictions and that he put 30000 sq ft instead of 10000 sq ft for an apt. What real estate developers lie to the degree he has and don't criminally pay for it. Name one?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:47:14 GMT -5
The only estimate he gave that was in question was the value of Mar-a-Lago. If properties around Mar-a-Lago are bringing $200 million for the sane amount of land then what would that make Mar-a-Lago worth? Do you need time to think about it? Just to name a few items off the top of my head. There was the fact that Mar-a-Lago had development restrictions and that he put 30000 sq ft instead of 10000 sq ft for an apt. What real estate developers lie to the degree he has and don't criminally pay for it. Name one? now you’re dancing around the subject. Bottom line is that any property that is that size and in that location or general location is worth $200-$300 million. That’s exactly what he stated on his bank statement. Remember? Then the judge said it was only worth what? $18 million? Be honorable for a change and admit that this was a political hit job.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2024 8:53:12 GMT -5
$1 trillion of business has already left New York City. Commercial real estate in New York City is down 52%. If they are going to be able to politically attack anyone who they don’t care for in New York City then businesses should leave this city and go somewhere where they are appreciated.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Feb 19, 2024 8:58:07 GMT -5
Just to name a few items off the top of my head. There was the fact that Mar-a-Lago had development restrictions and that he put 30000 sq ft instead of 10000 sq ft for an apt. What real estate developers lie to the degree he has and don't criminally pay for it. Name one? now you’re dancing around the subject. Bottom line is that any property that is that size and in that location or general location is worth $200-$300 million. That’s exactly what he stated on his bank statement. Remember? Then the judge said it was only worth what? $18 million? Be honorable for a change and admit that this was a political hit job. Are county appraisers usually off by 2,300%? I don't think so. Let the truth be told. "Is Mar-a-Lago really worth $1B? Trump’s claim at core of fraud trial" "How much is Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago worth? That’s been a point of contention after a New York judge ruled that the former president exaggerated the Florida property’s value when he said it’s worth at least $420 million and perhaps $1.5 billion." "He noted that one Trump estimate of the club’s value was 2,300% times the Palm Beach County tax appraiser’s valuations, which ranged from $18 million to $37 million." "On those statements, Trump valued Mar-a-Lago as high as $739 million — a figure James said ignored deed restrictions requiring the property to be used as a social club — not a private home. Her lawyers have argued that in his financial statements, Trump should have valued Mar-a-Lago the same way the county does, based on its club status." "Trump’s financial statements, the New York lawyers wrote, valued the club “based on the false and misleading premise that it was an unrestricted residential plot of land that could be sold and used as a private home, which was clearly not the case.”"
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