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Post by chibadgerfan on Jun 29, 2024 12:24:58 GMT -5
I’ll speculate. They think, “It’s important that I go to a school that’s awesome in volleyball and pretty much everything else that colleges do, and Wisconsin is one of those few schools, so I don’t need to spend anymore time deciding and possibly have my offer by accepted by someone else.” I could have agreed with you if you were talking about Texas. But let's be real, besides volleyball, it's hard to see what Wisconsin and Nebraska really bring to the table compared to other schools and regions. I mean, let's face it, those places aren't exactly at the top of a teenager's dream list, unless volleyball is involved, and that is short lived. Which brings us back to the original question- why are they committing before visiting? Wisconsin’s academics are just as good or better than Texas’s in most respects. I’m sure all of those schools are on the top of some teenagers’ dream lists. But so what? There are any number of reasons to commit before visiting, and as we’ve seen over the past two weeks, dozens of athletes are doing so, to many different schools. Why do you think dozens of athletes are committing before visiting? Is there a star chamber somewhere making all of these matches, or is it just a natural result of the rules as they are now? |
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 29, 2024 12:34:22 GMT -5
Audrey will realize that she had better opportunities in CA Guess what? Audrey Flanagan knows more about what she wants and needs than you do. She wants to play with her friend and mentor, Charlie Fuerbringer. Seems like that should be the end of the silliness, but I'm sure that won't be the case. |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 29, 2024 12:52:31 GMT -5
This is still a free country with free speech, although in far too many cases that is unfortunate. However, I’ve mentioned this before, the ridiculous number of early commitments, before prospects can talk face to face with coaches, players, or administrators; and truly experience an official visit is a result of two things - greedy and selfish coaches and the ugliness of social media. It is reasonable for legacies of a university - or homegrown athletes to decide early providing they have been to camps, matches, and many trips to the campus with their families. The pressure being applied by the coaches of highly successful programs and the websites making money by pushing for more early commits is disheartening. As a long-time club coach, this is causing incredible stress for the young people involved. No commitments should be made until after Aug. 1 - or move visits up to June 15. Here is what I’d ask you. Why is the recruiting cycle so much longer for football and men’s basketball? Why don’t the highest rated kids commit at the first moment possible at a similar rate? And even the ones who do commit early frequently take their visits anyway, and often switch their commitment. Why the dichotomy? |
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Post by volleyaudience on Jun 29, 2024 13:01:58 GMT -5
This is still a free country with free speech, although in far too many cases that is unfortunate. However, I’ve mentioned this before, the ridiculous number of early commitments, before prospects can talk face to face with coaches, players, or administrators; and truly experience an official visit is a result of two things - greedy and selfish coaches and the ugliness of social media. It is reasonable for legacies of a university - or homegrown athletes to decide early providing they have been to camps, matches, and many trips to the campus with their families. The pressure being applied by the coaches of highly successful programs and the websites making money by pushing for more early commits is disheartening. As a long-time club coach, this is causing incredible stress for the young people involved. No commitments should be made until after Aug. 1 - or move visits up to June 15. Here is what I’d ask you. Why is the recruiting cycle so much longer for football and men’s basketball? Why don’t the highest rated kids commit at the first moment possible at a similar rate? And even the ones who do commit early frequently take their visits anyway, and often switch their commitment. Why the dichotomy? Interesting question. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 29, 2024 13:17:36 GMT -5
This is still a free country with free speech, although in far too many cases that is unfortunate. However, I’ve mentioned this before, the ridiculous number of early commitments, before prospects can talk face to face with coaches, players, or administrators; and truly experience an official visit is a result of two things - greedy and selfish coaches and the ugliness of social media. It is reasonable for legacies of a university - or homegrown athletes to decide early providing they have been to camps, matches, and many trips to the campus with their families. The pressure being applied by the coaches of highly successful programs and the websites making money by pushing for more early commits is disheartening. As a long-time club coach, this is causing incredible stress for the young people involved. No commitments should be made until after Aug. 1 - or move visits up to June 15. Here is what I’d ask you. Why is the recruiting cycle so much longer for football and men’s basketball? Why don’t the highest rated kids commit at the first moment possible at a similar rate? And even the ones who do commit early frequently take their visits anyway, and often switch their commitment. Why the dichotomy? That's an excellent point! Football players tend to change their commitments pretty often towards the end of their recruiting cycle. It's just a part of growing up. What may have seemed important to them at 15-16 years old might not be such a big deal two years later. They have plenty of time to visit schools, weigh their options, and honestly, just mature and understand themselves better. Many 16 year olds make their decisions based on impressing their peers and nothing else. In addition, I do believe volleyball adrenaline is partly to blame for the early committing this year. The 24 hour count down to June 15, hours and hours of live broadcast interviewing players, going over rankings, guessing who will commit first and who will commit where, etc. It was the first year anyone had done such a thing and it was absolutly unnecessary to put that pressure on teenagers. |
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Post by hopefuldawg on Jun 29, 2024 13:27:04 GMT -5
I’ll speculate. They think, “It’s important that I go to a school that’s awesome in volleyball and pretty much everything else that colleges do, and Wisconsin is one of those few schools, so I don’t need to spend anymore time deciding and possibly have my offer by accepted by someone else.” I could have agreed with you if you were talking about Texas. But let's be real, besides volleyball, it's hard to see what Wisconsin and Nebraska really bring to the table compared to other schools and regions. I mean, let's face it, those places aren't exactly at the top of a teenager's dream list, unless volleyball is involved, and that is short lived. Which brings us back to the original question- why are they committing before visiting? I have to callout the statement that Wisconsin doesn’t have strong academics. That’s simply not true. Regularly considered one of the 50-ish colleges in the entire country. Nebraska not so much, but with a community where the volleyball players are treated like celebrities and with an over 20 year sellout streak, there’s huge selling points to a kid. |
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Post by hookem1 on Jun 29, 2024 13:27:05 GMT -5
This is still a free country with free speech, although in far too many cases that is unfortunate. However, I’ve mentioned this before, the ridiculous number of early commitments, before prospects can talk face to face with coaches, players, or administrators; and truly experience an official visit is a result of two things - greedy and selfish coaches and the ugliness of social media. It is reasonable for legacies of a university - or homegrown athletes to decide early providing they have been to camps, matches, and many trips to the campus with their families. The pressure being applied by the coaches of highly successful programs and the websites making money by pushing for more early commits is disheartening. As a long-time club coach, this is causing incredible stress for the young people involved. No commitments should be made until after Aug. 1 - or move visits up to June 15. Here is what I’d ask you. Why is the recruiting cycle so much longer for football and men’s basketball? Why don’t the highest rated kids commit at the first moment possible at a similar rate? And even the ones who do commit early frequently take their visits anyway, and often switch their commitment. Why the dichotomy? I also think it’s funny that football players who “take their time” and elongate the recruiting process often have the highest rates of decommitment of any student athletes. Both before and after NIL. Meanwhile other sports you see recruits committing extremely early yet have drastically higher percentages of following through with their verbal commitments. |
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Post by ladyfan on Jun 29, 2024 13:30:33 GMT -5
A lot of this conversation seems to rest on what about player X who goes to Texas/ Nebraska/ Wisconsin and doesn’t make it off the bench. But if you don’t take that opportunity in favor of going some place where you’re guaranteed to start, you run the risk of wondering for the rest of your life what could have been. If you do take it, and you aren’t playing, there seem to be plenty of portal opportunities.
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Post by hookem1 on Jun 29, 2024 13:53:26 GMT -5
I could have agreed with you if you were talking about Texas. But let's be real, besides volleyball, it's hard to see what Wisconsin and Nebraska really bring to the table compared to other schools and regions. I mean, let's face it, those places aren't exactly at the top of a teenager's dream list, unless volleyball is involved, and that is short lived. Which brings us back to the original question- why are they committing before visiting? I have to callout the statement that Wisconsin doesn’t have strong academics. That’s simply not true. Regularly considered one of the 50-ish colleges in the entire country. Nebraska not so much, but with a community where the volleyball players are treated like celebrities and with an over 20 year sellout streak, there’s huge selling points to a kid. To add onto your point on UW Madison, it is definitely well regarded academically. Often mentioned with Texas as a New Ivy/Public Ivy. And while I do not think “rankings” are just the be all end all when it comes to schools, they definitely have a general consensus when it comes to these schools. U.S. News 32 UT Austin (#9 public) 35 UW Madison (#12 public) 159 Nebraska (#84 public) Niche 42 UT Austin (#6 public) 59 UW Madison (#14 public) 188 Nebraska (#80 public) QS World Top 100 19 UT Austin 28 UW Madison N/A Nebraska However despite all this being said, academics is not going to be the primary criteria for the vast majority of elite recruits. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 29, 2024 14:02:16 GMT -5
Here is what I’d ask you. Why is the recruiting cycle so much longer for football and men’s basketball? Why don’t the highest rated kids commit at the first moment possible at a similar rate? And even the ones who do commit early frequently take their visits anyway, and often switch their commitment. Why the dichotomy? I also think it’s funny that football players who “take their time” and elongate the recruiting process often have the highest rates of decommitment of any student athletes. Both before and after NIL. Meanwhile other sports you see recruits committing extremely early yet have drastically higher percentages of following through with their verbal commitments. Would you provide the data supporting your findings? Or are they merely your personal views? |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 29, 2024 14:24:43 GMT -5
I have to callout the statement that Wisconsin doesn’t have strong academics. That’s simply not true. Regularly considered one of the 50-ish colleges in the entire country. Nebraska not so much, but with a community where the volleyball players are treated like celebrities and with an over 20 year sellout streak, there’s huge selling points to a kid. To add onto your point on UW Madison, it is definitely well regarded academically. Often mentioned with Texas as a New Ivy/Public Ivy. And while I do not think “rankings” are just the be all end all when it comes to schools, they definitely have a general consensus when it comes to these schools. U.S. News 32 UT Austin (#9 public) 35 UW Madison (#12 public) 159 Nebraska (#84 public) Niche 42 UT Austin (#6 public) 59 UW Madison (#14 public) 188 Nebraska (#80 public) QS World Top 100 19 UT Austin 28 UW Madison N/A Nebraska However despite all this being said, academics is not going to be the primary criteria for the vast majority of elite recruits. Flanagan is just minutes away from a school in the same conference, a school that is academically ranked much higher than any you listed and a school where she could have played indoor and beach. But hey, you're right! If sell-out crowds and being a “celebrity” in a small town are what really matter to a recruit, then maybe California isn't the best fit. However, when you're moving from places like California or Texas to a less desirable location, I think it's super important to at least take a couple visits before making a four year commitment. |
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 29, 2024 14:42:59 GMT -5
To add onto your point on UW Madison, it is definitely well regarded academically. Often mentioned with Texas as a New Ivy/Public Ivy. And while I do not think “rankings” are just the be all end all when it comes to schools, they definitely have a general consensus when it comes to these schools. U.S. News 32 UT Austin (#9 public) 35 UW Madison (#12 public) 159 Nebraska (#84 public) Niche 42 UT Austin (#6 public) 59 UW Madison (#14 public) 188 Nebraska (#80 public) QS World Top 100 19 UT Austin 28 UW Madison N/A Nebraska However despite all this being said, academics is not going to be the primary criteria for the vast majority of elite recruits. Flanagan is just minutes away from a school in the same conference, a school that is academically ranked much higher than any you listed and a school where she could have played indoor and beach. But hey, you're right! If sell-out crowds and being a “celebrity” in a small town are what really matter to a recruit, then maybe California isn't the best fit. However, when you're moving from places like California or Texas to a less desirable location, I think it's super important to at least take a couple visits before making a four year commitment. Guess what? Audrey Flanagan knows more about what she wants and needs than you do. She wants to play with her friend and mentor, Charlie Fuerbringer. Seems like that should be the end of the silliness, but I'm sure that won't be the case. |
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Post by hookem1 on Jun 29, 2024 14:49:51 GMT -5
To add onto your point on UW Madison, it is definitely well regarded academically. Often mentioned with Texas as a New Ivy/Public Ivy. And while I do not think “rankings” are just the be all end all when it comes to schools, they definitely have a general consensus when it comes to these schools. U.S. News 32 UT Austin (#9 public) 35 UW Madison (#12 public) 159 Nebraska (#84 public) Niche 42 UT Austin (#6 public) 59 UW Madison (#14 public) 188 Nebraska (#80 public) QS World Top 100 19 UT Austin 28 UW Madison N/A Nebraska However despite all this being said, academics is not going to be the primary criteria for the vast majority of elite recruits. Flanagan is just minutes away from a school in the same conference, a school that is academically ranked much higher than any you listed and a school where she could have played indoor and beach. But hey, you're right! If sell-out crowds and being a “celebrity” in a small town are what really matter to a recruit, then maybe California isn't the best fit. However, when you're moving from places like California or Texas to a less desirable location, I think it's super important to at least take a couple visits before making a four year commitment. You are certain entitled to the opinion that players should take couple visits before committing. I don’t even necessarily disagree. However, I didn’t really say anything about the other things you mentioned, I just provided some academic rankings for references (which I also stated aren’t usually the deciding facto) I don’t know much about her or what she wants from location, a beach program, etc. Not sure if you quoted me on accident |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 29, 2024 14:55:04 GMT -5
Flanagan is just minutes away from a school in the same conference, a school that is academically ranked much higher than any you listed and a school where she could have played indoor and beach. But hey, you're right! If sell-out crowds and being a “celebrity” in a small town are what really matter to a recruit, then maybe California isn't the best fit. However, when you're moving from places like California or Texas to a less desirable location, I think it's super important to at least take a couple visits before making a four year commitment. Guess what? Audrey Flanagan knows more about what she wants and needs than you do. She wants to play with her friend and mentor, Charlie Fuerbringer. Seems like that should be the end of the silliness, but I'm sure that won't be the case. Are you talking about the casual name-drop of "fuerbringer" in one article? Mentor? Haha, alright. Let me share my perspective. It's not really a mature decision to commit to a school just because you know one person. What if her "mentor" transfers? I don't believe Wisconsin will pass the "broken leg test" for Flanagan nor many of the other early commits who don’t even know where their school is on a map. |
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 29, 2024 15:10:15 GMT -5
Guess what? Audrey Flanagan knows more about what she wants and needs than you do. She wants to play with her friend and mentor, Charlie Fuerbringer. Seems like that should be the end of the silliness, but I'm sure that won't be the case. Are you talking about the casual name-drop of "fuerbringer" in one article? Mentor? Haha, alright. Let me share my perspective. It's not really a mature decision to commit to a school just because you know one person. What if her "mentor" transfers? I don't believe Wisconsin will pass the "broken leg test" for Flanagan nor many of the other early commits who don’t even know where their school is on a map.
“Then through this whole process she was the one I went to with my questions. I was on the phone with her Saturday for like an hour, in between calls, just talking about Wisconsin. She would tell me what Kelly said about her. She was like the mediator between me and Kelly. I look up to her so much. Obviously she’s amazing and having a setter that I know and trust is a huge thing for me.”
After taking a number of calls on Saturday, Flanagan said she quickly narrowed her list to two schools — Wisconsin and UCLA. While the lure of staying close to home had some appeal, and her club coach at SCVC is an assistant coach for the Bruins, she pretty much knew where she wanted to go.
“I think I knew in my heart that Wisconsin was always going to be my school,” she said. “I think I was just hesitant to make that decision but around 4 I called Kelly and told him I was committed. I think it was just that feeling I got. I only imagined myself in a Wisconsin jersey. I think that’s what did it for me.So, at the risk of being redundant, we can believe Ms. Flanagan, a 16 year old woman with a mind of her own, or we can entertain the ramblings of another know it all on Volley Talk. The choice is easy for me. I don't care what you believe. |
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