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Post by burbank55 on Mar 13, 2024 18:44:34 GMT -5
I’m curious, for incoming freshmen players at some of these top universities, what’s the biggest gap for them/skillset that’s separating returning players from the incoming ones? Asking as a new juniors coach with a lot of players moving on to the next level. I know what makes good volleyball lol, just trying to decide priorities in practice. For most I’d say that blocking effectiveness and the ability to FBSO against good teams. You tend to see lots of juniors playing against two back defense, setting crazy tight and getting kills, or winning these long rallies with half speed approaches. Putting the ball down fast I think is the biggest gap Yeah, exactly. I don’t know much about recruiting selection but Dain has said that he needs players who can get up over the net and hit the ball down. If you can’t do that, I can’t see how a top program would offer you. But that has to be developed before the offers before Junior year of HS… In the past couple of years, I’ve seen pulling getting much better. Also, the top USC players seem to have honed their approach to have a rapid last hop and gather. They haven’t broken out the jump sets yet, but we know they’ve been practicing them. Some extremely successful juniors players have had to sit at USC because of too many errors. Nourse twins came in as freshies and I said that they were the best 5s pair ever at USC because they so rarely made errors.
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 14, 2024 8:24:03 GMT -5
For most I’d say that blocking effectiveness and the ability to FBSO against good teams. You tend to see lots of juniors playing against two back defense, setting crazy tight and getting kills, or winning these long rallies with half speed approaches. Putting the ball down fast I think is the biggest gap Yeah, exactly. I don’t much about recruiting selection but Dain has said that he needs players who can get up over the net and hit the ball down. If you can’t do that, I can’t see how a top program would offer you. But that has to be developed before the offers before Junior year of HS… In the past couple of years, I’ve seen pulling getting much better. Also, the top USC players seem to have honed their approach to have a rapid last hop and gather. They haven’t broken out the jump sets yet, but we know they’ve been practicing them. Some extremely successful juniors players have had to sit at USC because of too many errors. Nourse twins came in as freshies and I said that they were the best 5s pair ever at USC because they so rarely made errors. This hop and gather you’re talking about to me is non-ideal. If you need to speed up to a set sure I guess, but finished with the hop definitely loses approach momentum (or at least how I’m interpreting what you’re saying).
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Post by bobinmd on Mar 14, 2024 9:55:40 GMT -5
For anyone wondering why blackmambabeto would use UC Berkeley instead of California or Cal, some UCLA Bruins are still sensitive after 100+ years about being Southern Branch and UCB getting to call themselves University of California. 🐻 Same mascot, same school colors 💛💙 lol I’m with mamba, though I didn’t attend either.
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Post by burbank55 on Mar 14, 2024 11:40:56 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly. I don’t much about recruiting selection but Dain has said that he needs players who can get up over the net and hit the ball down. If you can’t do that, I can’t see how a top program would offer you. But that has to be developed before the offers before Junior year of HS… In the past couple of years, I’ve seen pulling getting much better. Also, the top USC players seem to have honed their approach to have a rapid last hop and gather. They haven’t broken out the jump sets yet, but we know they’ve been practicing them. Some extremely successful juniors players have had to sit at USC because of too many errors. Nourse twins came in as freshies and I said that they were the best 5s pair ever at USC because they so rarely made errors. This hop and gather you’re talking about to me is non-ideal. If you need to speed up to a set sure I guess, but finished with the hop definitely loses approach momentum (or at least how I’m interpreting what you’re saying). Yeah, I didn’t explain it well. I don’t understand it or the reasons for it. I’m guessing it is a misdirection move. I’ve seen them sometimes run up to maybe 6-7 feet from the net and then take a diagonal almost euro-step hop to their jump spot.
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Post by moimoi on Mar 14, 2024 15:39:58 GMT -5
I think it's to early to know but in my book the top 5 should be in this order: 1. UCLA 2. FSU 3. Stanford 4. LSU 5. USC 6. TCU 7. LMU 8. Hawaii 9. CAL 10. ASU
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 18, 2024 14:06:51 GMT -5
This hop and gather you’re talking about to me is non-ideal. If you need to speed up to a set sure I guess, but finished with the hop definitely loses approach momentum (or at least how I’m interpreting what you’re saying). Yeah, I didn’t explain it well. I don’t understand it or the reasons for it. I’m guessing it is a misdirection move. I’ve seen them sometimes run up to maybe 6-7 feet from the net and then take a diagonal almost euro-step hop to their jump spot. Do you have a clip?
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Post by burbank55 on Mar 18, 2024 15:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 18, 2024 20:41:36 GMT -5
burbank55 clip #1 of the lefty looks to me like hitter realized she couldn’t afford a max length approach/3rd step and had a shortened approach and adjusted her spacing and still big double arm lifted. Clip 2 to me looks like what I expect/visualize an ideal approach to look like she’s just adjusting to an inside set and frankly putting a pretty crazy wrist away swing onto the ball. But camera angles are ok not great, and it’s often tough to tell. Incidentally, I was coaching juniors all day down here and didn’t get the opportunity to watch any of these matches, what a bummer!
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Post by beachnut94 on Mar 19, 2024 8:46:47 GMT -5
I think it's to early to know but in my book the top 5 should be in this order: 1. UCLA 2. FSU 3. Stanford 4. LSU 5. USC 6. TCU 7. LMU 8. Hawaii 9. CAL 10. ASU Are you looking at the same teams as everyone else? Hawaii isn’t a top 15 team. And LSU and FSU above SC is just silly. I get putting FSU high ish ranked but they are well behind the top 3.
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Post by moimoi on Mar 19, 2024 10:06:10 GMT -5
I think it's to early to know but in my book the top 5 should be in this order: 1. UCLA 2. FSU 3. Stanford 4. LSU 5. USC 6. TCU 7. LMU 8. Hawaii 9. CAL 10. ASU Are you looking at the same teams as everyone else? Hawaii isn’t a top 15 team. And LSU and FSU above SC is just silly. I get putting FSU high ish ranked but they are well behind the top 3. I truly believe Hawaii is a lot better than what they are showing so far,they just need more time. UCLA is the most formidable and consistent team in the past 5 years. They should have won the national title last year. USC is looking a little lost ( in my observation). Stanford, CP and Cal are looking so much stronger this year ( I do believe Stanford is leap-years better than USC at this point).
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Post by charley on Mar 19, 2024 10:27:32 GMT -5
You all are forgetting Long Beach. They come close to top 5! A solid #6 for sure. They've beat a number of top 20 opponents, and are playing well all across the flights.
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