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Post by akinradeheaux on Jun 21, 2024 13:45:42 GMT -5
Turkiye had 35 errors, that's a lot. Stasyak is the top scorer 33% efficiency, not great. if Karakurt was better at offense today Turkiye could have won easily. But probably flop against Italy. So yeah, again it's a good wake up call. For clarity - Stysiak had 33% KP, which is not great but not horrendous. Her efficiency was way worse at 0.056, which is barely excusable. A 0.33 efficiency is considered very good. Vargas was the only pin today that hit above 0.30.
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Post by mberlanda on Jun 21, 2024 13:48:55 GMT -5
Thank you for the appreciation, it warms my heart. Unfortunately, for the 2020 Olympics I guessed in advance what would happen (it's all written in this forum). Velasco is undoubtedly the best person to solve the non-sports problems of this team but, in the meantime, there has been a generational change of some teams and the situation is no longer as favorable as it was then. OK Cassandra… but your registration on this forum is dated Oct 21 2021… (I’m joking, nothing personal, don’t mind me, lol) Okay, really, I had the belief that I wrote here. It really worries me because I also remember what things I had said (that the players can't handle the pressure, when the result is required they go "off the rails" and start playing worse). I hope (for my sanity) I did it on another forum.
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Post by kwt on Jun 21, 2024 14:00:46 GMT -5
OK Cassandra… but your registration on this forum is dated Oct 21 2021… (I’m joking, nothing personal, don’t mind me, lol) Okay, really, I had the belief that I wrote here. It really worries me because I also remember what things I had said (that the players can't handle the pressure, when the result is required they go "off the rails" and start playing worse). I hope (for my sanity) I did it on another forum. Perhaps your predictions here were about 2022 WCH.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jun 21, 2024 14:04:09 GMT -5
Thank you for the appreciation, it warms my heart. Unfortunately, for the 2020 Olympics I guessed in advance what would happen (it's all written in this forum). Velasco is undoubtedly the best person to solve the non-sports problems of this team but, in the meantime, there has been a generational change of some teams and the situation is no longer as favorable as it was then. OK Cassandra… but your registration on this forum is dated Oct 21 2021… (I’m joking, nothing personal, don’t mind me, lol) Cassandra was tragically correct though
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jun 21, 2024 14:05:04 GMT -5
as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, your chronic pessimism is adorable almost as bad as mine when i watch the browns 😒 yeah but unlike us, you have a good excuse for it
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Post by kwt on Jun 21, 2024 14:05:34 GMT -5
OK Cassandra… but your registration on this forum is dated Oct 21 2021… (I’m joking, nothing personal, don’t mind me, lol) Cassandra was tragically correct though True
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 21, 2024 14:05:49 GMT -5
Korneluk got in line at the concessions stand right behind me at the VNL finals last year I've never been more intimidated while trying to buy a hot dog Try buying one in Times Square. lol
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Post by mberlanda on Jun 21, 2024 14:45:08 GMT -5
Okay, really, I had the belief that I wrote here. It really worries me because I also remember what things I had said (that the players can't handle the pressure, when the result is required they go "off the rails" and start playing worse). I hope (for my sanity) I did it on another forum. Perhaps your predictions here were about 2022 WCH. I've been searching for information but couldn't find it, so I'm writing it now. The original mistake likely occurred in 2016 when Bonitta took Egonu and Orro to the Olympics without a reliable backup to alleviate the pressure during crucial moments. Although the 2016 qualifying round went well, the tournament itself was a disaster for Italy. The Italian team has historically struggled under pressure. When expectations were low, they performed admirably in smaller tournaments. However, when they were expected to win, the results were often disappointing. In 2018, with a new group of players and a new coach, they started strong by winning the Montreux tournament, beating Russia in the final—a rare feat at the time. At the World Cup, they rode a wave of enthusiasm to win 10 games in a row, though their performance varied set by set, before losing to Serbia 3-1. In the final, Serbia's experienced players outperformed them, despite a promising start for Italy. In the 2021 Olympics, Italy needed only to beat China to secure their position, but they faltered. The team performed poorly against a previously underperforming China, and then struggled against the U.S. In the quarter-finals against Serbia, Italy's performance was lackluster, leading to a decisive defeat. This turned the team from heroes to a perceived failure, resulting in Mazzanti being nearly fired. They entered the European Championship with low expectations but ended up winning in Belgrade. They then competed in the 2022 VNL with confidence and, taking advantage of opposing teams undergoing generational changes, emerged victorious. As favorites for the World Cup, the psychological pressure resurfaced. Although Brazil played exceptionally well and deserved their victory, Italy's mental block was evident. The aftermath of the players' performance is well-known.
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Post by kwt on Jun 21, 2024 16:36:09 GMT -5
Perhaps your predictions here were about 2022 WCH. I've been searching for information but couldn't find it, so I'm writing it now. The original mistake likely occurred in 2016 when Bonitta took Egonu and Orro to the Olympics without a reliable backup to alleviate the pressure during crucial moments. Although the 2016 qualifying round went well, the tournament itself was a disaster for Italy. The Italian team has historically struggled under pressure. When expectations were low, they performed admirably in smaller tournaments. However, when they were expected to win, the results were often disappointing. In 2018, with a new group of players and a new coach, they started strong by winning the Montreux tournament, beating Russia in the final—a rare feat at the time. At the World Cup, they rode a wave of enthusiasm to win 10 games in a row, though their performance varied set by set, before losing to Serbia 3-1. In the final, Serbia's experienced players outperformed them, despite a promising start for Italy. In the 2021 Olympics, Italy needed only to beat China to secure their position, but they faltered. The team performed poorly against a previously underperforming China, and then struggled against the U.S. In the quarter-finals against Serbia, Italy's performance was lackluster, leading to a decisive defeat. This turned the team from heroes to a perceived failure, resulting in Mazzanti being nearly fired. They entered the European Championship with low expectations but ended up winning in Belgrade. They then competed in the 2022 VNL with confidence and, taking advantage of opposing teams undergoing generational changes, emerged victorious. As favorites for the World Cup, the psychological pressure resurfaced. Although Brazil played exceptionally well and deserved their victory, Italy's mental block was evident. The aftermath of the players' performance is well-known. Since you like to be pessimist (or maybe you're just superstitious?)... I’m gonna fuel your pessimism, lol. What you mentioned is only the recent history of Italy WNT's failure under pressure. I'd say you can go back in time at least till the infamous 1991 ECH, played at home. Back then the goal wasn’t even winning the title (Russia – actually still USSR – was unplayable for us). We just needed to reach the final to get our first OG qualification ever (as ECH runner-up, since USSR/Russia was already qualified as 1988 OG champion). Everything looked set for the accomplishment…. semifinal vs. the Netherlands (in Rome)… ... Henriette Weersing destroyed us, lol… (and then we lost the bronze medal match too, vs Germany).
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Post by maigrey on Jun 21, 2024 16:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jun 21, 2024 17:16:14 GMT -5
i am well aware. That is the name of the country in Turkish. I was saying that the commentators are overpronouncing the name
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Jun 22, 2024 4:28:47 GMT -5
Why are Italy and Poland playing the first semi final when their QF matches were yesterday, meanwhile Japan and Brazil after a day off get the late one? This VNL scheduling has been a mess
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Post by mberlanda on Jun 22, 2024 5:01:05 GMT -5
I've been searching for information but couldn't find it, so I'm writing it now. The original mistake likely occurred in 2016 when Bonitta took Egonu and Orro to the Olympics without a reliable backup to alleviate the pressure during crucial moments. Although the 2016 qualifying round went well, the tournament itself was a disaster for Italy. The Italian team has historically struggled under pressure. When expectations were low, they performed admirably in smaller tournaments. However, when they were expected to win, the results were often disappointing. In 2018, with a new group of players and a new coach, they started strong by winning the Montreux tournament, beating Russia in the final—a rare feat at the time. At the World Cup, they rode a wave of enthusiasm to win 10 games in a row, though their performance varied set by set, before losing to Serbia 3-1. In the final, Serbia's experienced players outperformed them, despite a promising start for Italy. In the 2021 Olympics, Italy needed only to beat China to secure their position, but they faltered. The team performed poorly against a previously underperforming China, and then struggled against the U.S. In the quarter-finals against Serbia, Italy's performance was lackluster, leading to a decisive defeat. This turned the team from heroes to a perceived failure, resulting in Mazzanti being nearly fired. They entered the European Championship with low expectations but ended up winning in Belgrade. They then competed in the 2022 VNL with confidence and, taking advantage of opposing teams undergoing generational changes, emerged victorious. As favorites for the World Cup, the psychological pressure resurfaced. Although Brazil played exceptionally well and deserved their victory, Italy's mental block was evident. The aftermath of the players' performance is well-known. Since you like to be pessimist (or maybe you're just superstitious?)... I’m gonna fuel your pessimism, lol. What you mentioned is only the recent history of Italy WNT's failure under pressure. I'd say you can go back in time at least till the infamous 1991 ECH, played at home. Back then the goal wasn’t even winning the title (Russia – actually still USSR – was unplayable for us). We just needed to reach the final to get our first OG qualification ever (as ECH runner-up, since USSR/Russia was already qualified as 1988 OG champion). Everything looked set for the accomplishment…. semifinal vs. the Netherlands (in Rome)… ... Henriette Weersing destroyed us, lol… (and then we lost the bronze medal match too, vs Germany). I started referring to 2016 because the players with the most seniority started playing in the senior national team in that year (Sylla, Orro, Egonu). Bonitta made some extreme choices that I did not agree with and, above all, he did not protect those poor girls after the beating they suffered at the Olympic tournament, although, of course it cost them their place (and we missed it). That group of players is the most talented Italy had had (all together) but they were too young. A group must learn to handle pressure and not have trauma of failure (because the Olympics are not just a fixed idea in men's volleyball). Certainly Velasco is one who can solve (or, at least mitigate) this problem. The fact is, besides this kind of problem this team lacks Pietrini and Bosetti is not exactly equal to her in attack.
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Post by maigrey on Jun 22, 2024 5:19:27 GMT -5
Italy up 20-16 I set 1. Their block is ridiculously good, still, Orro and Egonu are still on beast mode. 👀
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Post by maigrey on Jun 22, 2024 5:21:45 GMT -5
And Poland playing the part of USA with their error rate. :/
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