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Post by d3follower on Nov 10, 2024 10:57:17 GMT -5
This is actually a really interesting part of NPI that I hadn't considered. How will the regionals impact the NPI scores? First, an undefeated team with no losses in their NPI math just counts their top 10 wins, but even if they have a loss or two at an MIT regional their first round match is likely going to be dropped from their NPI. Their 2nd match could be dropped from their NPI too. And their 3rd opponent would be at more or less face value because they didn't get a great first round match. By comparison, a Whitewater/Oshkosh regional would probably offer a Quality Win Bonus for every match of the event. A UW region winner might be able to upgrade 3 of their 10 matches. So could a tough regional boost a winner over an east coast team that entered the tournament with better numbers? It's certainly something to look for! I would not rule out Whitewater, Oshkosh and Hope all hosting .... So you're saying there's a chance ... |
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Post by OHVBKING on Nov 10, 2024 11:24:30 GMT -5
Until someone can challenge Juniata D3 is kind of boring It's not their fault Nebraska won't play them. Nebraska would curb stomp them. Most of the top D2 programs would drill them as well. Juniata is a great program and I would say the same thing at any level if the same team keeps winning over and over every season. Hope has been the second best D3 program for several years and they can't even get close. Reminds me of the great run Mt Union had in D3 football when they were unbeatable. Finally other D3 programs started studying what Mt Union was doing and made the changes necessary to compete and beat them. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 10, 2024 11:37:12 GMT -5
It's not their fault Nebraska won't play them. Nebraska would curb stomp them. Most of the top D2 programs would drill them as well. Juniata is a great program and I would say the same thing at any level if the same team keeps winning over and over every season. Hope has been the second best D3 program for several years and they can't even get close. Reminds me of the great run Mt Union had in D3 football when they were unbeatable. Finally other D3 programs started studying what Mt Union was doing and made the changes necessary to compete and beat them. You can just say you don't know much about D3 volleyball. That's really ok. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Nov 10, 2024 12:23:25 GMT -5
Nebraska would curb stomp them. Most of the top D2 programs would drill them as well. Juniata is a great program and I would say the same thing at any level if the same team keeps winning over and over every season. Hope has been the second best D3 program for several years and they can't even get close. Reminds me of the great run Mt Union had in D3 football when they were unbeatable. Finally other D3 programs started studying what Mt Union was doing and made the changes necessary to compete and beat them. You can just say you don't know much about D3 volleyball. That's really ok. I know plenty. It is D3, lets not pretend it is better than it is. If you don't think Nebraska or any of the top D2 programs would curb stomp the best D3 programs you are delusional. I don't care some of these D3 programs have D1 and D2 transfers. They didn't transfer and opt to pay for college because they were playing a ton elsewhere. D3 volleyball is a great product, but too many D3 fans think some of those teams could compete at a higher level and it just isn't true. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 10, 2024 12:32:08 GMT -5
You can just say you don't know much about D3 volleyball. That's really ok. I know plenty. It is D3, lets not pretend it is better than it is. If you don't think Nebraska or any of the top D2 programs would curb stomp the best D3 programs you are delusional. I don't care some of these D3 programs have D1 and D2 transfers. They didn't transfer and opt to pay for college because they were playing a ton elsewhere. D3 volleyball is a great product, but too many D3 fans think some of those teams could compete at a higher level and it just isn't true. Again, imagine being ignorant on a subject, making a stupid claim, and then doubling down on it. Do I think Juniata would beat Nebraska? Of course not. But "most of D2", yeah, they could compete there with no issue. They can also likely hang with, if not beat, a solid amount of D1. Just ask Villanova, Princeton, and Lafayette, who they absolutely demolished in their spring tournament. If you want to be a D1 snob, go for it. But we would like to continue to enjoy, discuss, and appreciate top programs in other divisions. Maybe just scroll past next time instead of being a d*ck. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Nov 10, 2024 12:40:19 GMT -5
I know plenty. It is D3, lets not pretend it is better than it is. If you don't think Nebraska or any of the top D2 programs would curb stomp the best D3 programs you are delusional. I don't care some of these D3 programs have D1 and D2 transfers. They didn't transfer and opt to pay for college because they were playing a ton elsewhere. D3 volleyball is a great product, but too many D3 fans think some of those teams could compete at a higher level and it just isn't true. Again, imagine being ignorant on a subject, making a stupid claim, and then doubling down on it. Do I think Juniata would beat Nebraska? Of course not. But "most of D2", yeah, they could compete there with no issue. They can also likely hang with, if not beat, a solid amount of D1. Just ask Villanova, Princeton, and Lafayette, who they absolutely demolished in their spring tournament. If you want to be a D1 snob, go for it. But we would like to continue to enjoy, discuss, and appreciate top programs in other divisions. Maybe just scroll past next time instead of being a d*ck. Touched a nerve huh. Not a D1 snob, but delusional D3 fans are annoying. I put zero weight into any Spring practices/scrimmages. Listened to a D2 coach who was trying to convince my niece they beat Ohio State in a spring scrimmage and they are running a D1 level program. Unless it goes in the record books it counts for nothing. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 10, 2024 12:48:53 GMT -5
Again, imagine being ignorant on a subject, making a stupid claim, and then doubling down on it. Do I think Juniata would beat Nebraska? Of course not. But "most of D2", yeah, they could compete there with no issue. They can also likely hang with, if not beat, a solid amount of D1. Just ask Villanova, Princeton, and Lafayette, who they absolutely demolished in their spring tournament. If you want to be a D1 snob, go for it. But we would like to continue to enjoy, discuss, and appreciate top programs in other divisions. Maybe just scroll past next time instead of being a d*ck. Touched a nerve huh. Not a D1 snob, but delusional D3 fans are annoying. I put zero weight into any Spring practices/scrimmages. Listened to a D2 coach who was trying to convince my niece they beat Ohio State in a spring scrimmage and they are running a D1 level program. Unless it goes in the record books it counts for nothing. No, not a nerve. But again, your commentary from a position of ignorance doesn't add any value. If you find D3 fans delusional, why bother opening the thread other than feeling the need to demonstrate your sense of superiority, which provides no value and adds nothing to the conversation? Like, we get it, you don't respect D3, that's fine. Then don't comment. Because the people who are enjoying the conversation in this thread don't need or want your opinion. Just scroll on by... |
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Post by coahc21 on Nov 10, 2024 14:49:04 GMT -5
Touched a nerve huh. Not a D1 snob, but delusional D3 fans are annoying. I put zero weight into any Spring practices/scrimmages. Listened to a D2 coach who was trying to convince my niece they beat Ohio State in a spring scrimmage and they are running a D1 level program. Unless it goes in the record books it counts for nothing. No, not a nerve. But again, your commentary from a position of ignorance doesn't add any value. If you find D3 fans delusional, why bother opening the thread other than feeling the need to demonstrate your sense of superiority, which provides no value and adds nothing to the conversation? Like, we get it, you don't respect D3, that's fine. Then don't comment. Because the people who are enjoying the conversation in this thread don't need or want your opinion. Just scroll on by... This iteration of Juniata volleyball would be competitve in many D1 conferences, and odds on favorites in some. Let's say they went D2 and joined the PSAC....they would win it with Gannon giving them some competition. I am talking this year's team, not saying they would be as dominant as they have been in the Landmark over several years. Their physicality matches up with the D2 blue bloods and non-power 4 D1's....Good volleyball team that happens to be in D3. Not to mention how their recruiting would even ratchet up more with athletic scholarships... |
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Post by noreaster on Nov 11, 2024 0:04:59 GMT -5
All the NESCAC quarterfinal losers are done for the season. Colby is a lock for an at-large. With a loss in the final my projection file has them finishing 9th and just missing the protected seed. The top 8 I have right now, without plugging all the actual scores for this week yet, are: Juniata, MIT, Emory, Johns Hopkins, Hope, Marietta, Whitewater, Oshkosh. Will update this later. So the NCAA did post NPI reports each of the last two mornings... As of Sunday morning the top 8 are Juniata MIT Hopkins Emory Hope Marietta Washington and Lee Oshkosh On deck - Colby, Whitewater and Wash U. |
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Post by d3follower on Nov 11, 2024 7:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by coachk2 on Nov 11, 2024 9:16:07 GMT -5
All the NESCAC quarterfinal losers are done for the season. Colby is a lock for an at-large. With a loss in the final my projection file has them finishing 9th and just missing the protected seed. The top 8 I have right now, without plugging all the actual scores for this week yet, are: Juniata, MIT, Emory, Johns Hopkins, Hope, Marietta, Whitewater, Oshkosh. Will update this later. So the NCAA did post NPI reports each of the last two mornings... As of Sunday morning the top 8 are Juniata MIT Hopkins Emory Hope Marietta Washington and Lee Oshkosh On deck - Colby, Whitewater and Wash U. What does Millikin’s 3-0 sweep at Wash U on Saturday do to this ranking? 🤔 Based on this list apparently being from Sunday, I guess nothing 😳 |
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 11, 2024 9:47:12 GMT -5
So the NCAA did post NPI reports each of the last two mornings... As of Sunday morning the top 8 are: Juniata MIT Hopkins Emory Hope Marietta Washington and Lee Oshkosh On deck - Colby, Whitewater and Wash U. What does Millikin’s 3-0 sweep at Wash U on Saturday do to this ranking? 🤔 Based on this list apparently being from Sunday, I guess nothing 😳 The 77.268 for beating WashU certainly helps. Their NPI is up 0.6 from 11/3 to 11/10. They remain 13th. Why not more? A few things, raising your average is harder than lowering it(a math thing I am told), and the rest of their schedule's game NPI values are constantly changing as all the other results are baked in. To me this is one of the main pluses of NPI, every match is connected to a degree, it is not 2 levels deep(OWP & OOWP), or 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, NPI keep going down the list till there are no more connections. |
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Post by coachk2 on Nov 11, 2024 10:12:14 GMT -5
What does Millikin’s 3-0 sweep at Wash U on Saturday do to this ranking? 🤔 Based on this list apparently being from Sunday, I guess nothing 😳 The 77.268 for beating WashU certainly helps. Their NPI is up 0.6 from 11/3 to 11/10. They remain 13th. Why not more? A few things, raising your average is harder than lowering it(a math thing I am told), and the rest of their schedule's game NPI values are constantly changing as all the other results are baked in. To me this is one of the main pluses of NPI, every match is connected to a degree, it is not 2 levels deep(OWP & OOWP), or 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, NPI keep going down the list till there are no more connections. Thanks! That was a great match by both teams to broadcast 🏐🎤 Math is hard 🤯 plus CK loves “6 degrees of Kevin Bacon” 😂 My grandson’s name is “Kevin” but we couldn’t get his parents to go with “Bacon” for his middle name 😳 |
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Post by coahc21 on Nov 11, 2024 10:32:42 GMT -5
So the NCAA did post NPI reports each of the last two mornings... As of Sunday morning the top 8 are Juniata MIT Hopkins Emory Hope Marietta Washington and Lee Oshkosh On deck - Colby, Whitewater and Wash U. What does Millikin’s 3-0 sweep at Wash U on Saturday do to this ranking? 🤔 Based on this list apparently being from Sunday, I guess nothing 😳 Also, the sweep plays no role at all, a win is a win, whether it's a blowout or 15-13 in 5th set. |
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 11, 2024 11:00:35 GMT -5
What does Millikin’s 3-0 sweep at Wash U on Saturday do to this ranking? 🤔 Based on this list apparently being from Sunday, I guess nothing 😳 Also, the sweep plays no role at all, a win is a win, whether it's a blowout or 15-13 in 5th set. In a couple years when they can change the dials, I would not oppose using the "OT" dial to give credit for a 5 set loss(Especially since my favorite team has really liked losing in 5 this season  ). I understand it was considered for year 1 but they decided no. |
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). I understand it was considered for year 1 but they decided no.