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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 25, 2024 15:07:46 GMT -5
OAC preseason poll ends in a tie.  |
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Post by bigfan on Aug 25, 2024 15:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Aug 25, 2024 15:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 25, 2024 16:42:46 GMT -5
2024 NCAC Volleyball Preseason Coaches' Poll
1. DePauw (5) 60
2. Ohio Wesleyan (1) 55
3. Wittenberg (2) 53
4. Denison 39
5. Oberlin 28
6. Hiram 27
T7. Kenyon 13
T7. Wooster 13
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Post by jcvball22 on Aug 26, 2024 14:31:40 GMT -5
First Poll is out. A few notes: As expected, Juniata and Hope are 1-2. CMS picked to finish third, despite not being picked first in their own conference poll. Oshkosh at 5 surprises me a bit, thought they would be at 3, but Hopkins picked up some DI transfers in the off-season, so their placement makes sense. Discuss! AVCA DIII Preseason Poll |
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Post by noreaster on Aug 26, 2024 21:06:03 GMT -5
First Poll is out. A few notes: As expected, Juniata and Hope are 1-2. CMS picked to finish third, despite not being picked first in their own conference poll. Oshkosh at 5 surprises me a bit, thought they would be at 3, but Hopkins picked up some DI transfers in the off-season, so their placement makes sense. Discuss! AVCA DIII Preseason PollNot sure what happened but that link didn't work for me - suggest people try this... www.avca.org/polls-awards/polls/?_season=2024&_divisions=division-iii-women&_weeks=preseasonI think they are sleeping on Whitewater, and I'm surprised Cortland isn't ranked but they open in Texas this week so we'll see. We'll know a lot more on Sunday than we do now... 1 Juniata vs 4 Johns Hopkins and ARV Christopher Newport 2 Hope vs 7 Northwestern, 17 Wash U and ARV Coe 5 Oshkosh with #11 Transylvania and ARV Millikin, at elevation at ARV Colorado College With NPI those types of losses aren't going to hurt much, but in the old days you got an SOS bump just for playing those teams - no more! |
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Post by d3dad on Aug 26, 2024 21:53:49 GMT -5
The preseason poll is the laziest poll out there. The Top 8 are the eight teams that made the final 8 in the tournament last year. Its the same thing every year….preseason poll is the 8 finalist from the previous year with no regards to graduations or additions.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 26, 2024 22:00:40 GMT -5
Ohio only has one ranked team? And it's Mt St Joes?  Incredible. |
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Post by coahc21 on Aug 27, 2024 7:18:16 GMT -5
First Poll is out. A few notes: As expected, Juniata and Hope are 1-2. CMS picked to finish third, despite not being picked first in their own conference poll. Oshkosh at 5 surprises me a bit, thought they would be at 3, but Hopkins picked up some DI transfers in the off-season, so their placement makes sense. Discuss! AVCA DIII Preseason PollWith NPI those types of losses aren't going to hurt much, but in the old days you got an SOS bump just for playing those teams - no more! Still not sure I understand this comment....if your NPI score is 80% SOS, how does playing those teams not help you?? All of those teams will undoubtedly reach the 10 win minimum, so I am still struggling to understand how playing a tough schedule won't help you, unless you put yourself in a situation where you can't reach the 10 win minimum (which based on my understanding are going to be wins against anyone that's not HORRIBLE, like bottom 100-150).... Still trying to understand the whole NPI and maybe once we start getting data it will be become more clear... |
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Post by noreaster on Aug 27, 2024 7:37:08 GMT -5
With NPI those types of losses aren't going to hurt much, but in the old days you got an SOS bump just for playing those teams - no more! Still not sure I understand this comment....if your NPI score is 80% SOS, how does playing those teams not help you?? All of those teams will undoubtedly reach the 10 win minimum, so I am still struggling to understand how playing a tough schedule won't help you, unless you put yourself in a situation where you can't reach the 10 win minimum (which based on my understanding are going to be wins against anyone that's not HORRIBLE, like bottom 100-150).... Still trying to understand the whole NPI and maybe once we start getting data it will be become more clear... If a win hurts your score, they drop it. If a loss helps your score, they drop it. That said I think a loss to Juniata last year was averaged in as a .58 or something like that and .61 got you into the tournament so it shouldn't hurt much... we think/guess? And you are right, we'll understand a lot more when the NCAA gives us actual numbers instead of smart people guessing at what they think the NCAA meant to say. |
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Post by miaafan on Aug 27, 2024 11:59:18 GMT -5
With NPI those types of losses aren't going to hurt much, but in the old days you got an SOS bump just for playing those teams - no more! Still not sure I understand this comment....if your NPI score is 80% SOS, how does playing those teams not help you?? All of those teams will undoubtedly reach the 10 win minimum, so I am still struggling to understand how playing a tough schedule won't help you, unless you put yourself in a situation where you can't reach the 10 win minimum (which based on my understanding are going to be wins against anyone that's not HORRIBLE, like bottom 100-150).... Still trying to understand the whole NPI and maybe once we start getting data it will be become more clear... |
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Post by miaafan on Aug 27, 2024 12:10:26 GMT -5
"Help" is a relative term. No loss "helps" in the sense of improving your NPI or contributing to getting an at-large bid. But due to the 80% factor, losses against better teams hurt less than losses against worse teams.
Quick example using round numbers from last year. You'll need an NPI of about 60 to get an at-large bid. A win against an absolutely average team (NPI=50, think Loras or Wartburg) is worth 60 towards the NPI. In other words, wins against Loras or better contribute positively to getting at-large bids. A loss against one of the two or three top teams (NPIs about 70) is worth about 56 towards the NPI. In other words all losses contribute negatively to getting at-large bids. A loss to Juniata is worse than a win against Loras. (Of course a win against Juniata is gold!)
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Post by coahc21 on Aug 27, 2024 12:19:13 GMT -5
"Help" is a relative term. No loss "helps" in the sense of improving your NPI or contributing to getting an at-large bid. But due to the 80% factor, losses against better teams hurt less than losses against worse teams. Quick example using round numbers from last year. You'll need an NPI of about 60 to get an at-large bid. A win against an absolutely average team (NPI=50, think Loras or Wartburg) is worth 60 towards the NPI. In other words, wins against Loras or better contribute positively to getting at-large bids. A loss against one of the two or three top teams (NPIs about 70) is worth about 56 towards the NPI. In other words all losses contribute negatively to getting at-large bids. A loss to Juniata is worse than a win against Loras. (Of course a win against Juniata is gold!) Is there a way to see data from last year in NPI format??? Or did someone just kind of do their own model? The reason I ask is becasue the "average" examples you gave are both teams with sub .500 records but strong schedules...would like to see a comparable "average" example of the opposite, strong w/l, weaker SOS.. |
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Post by miaafan on Aug 27, 2024 14:52:03 GMT -5
"Help" is a relative term. No loss "helps" in the sense of improving your NPI or contributing to getting an at-large bid. But due to the 80% factor, losses against better teams hurt less than losses against worse teams. Quick example using round numbers from last year. You'll need an NPI of about 60 to get an at-large bid. A win against an absolutely average team (NPI=50, think Loras or Wartburg) is worth 60 towards the NPI. In other words, wins against Loras or better contribute positively to getting at-large bids. A loss against one of the two or three top teams (NPIs about 70) is worth about 56 towards the NPI. In other words all losses contribute negatively to getting at-large bids. A loss to Juniata is worse than a win against Loras. (Of course a win against Juniata is gold!) Is there a way to see data from last year in NPI format??? Or did someone just kind of do their own model? The reason I ask is becasue the "average" examples you gave are both teams with sub .500 records but strong schedules...would like to see a comparable "average" example of the opposite, strong w/l, weaker SOS.. |
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Post by miaafan on Aug 27, 2024 14:57:51 GMT -5
The NCAA didn't release the NPI from last year but several of us have programmed the algorithm and are reasonably sure that our numbers agree with what the NCAA would compute. The best record of the teams that were approximately average or below was Framingham State (21-10). They had an NPI just a little over 50. Interestingly, their SOS as computed last year was .427.
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