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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Apr 24, 2024 17:16:00 GMT -5
With Reggie Bush getting back his Heisman, what are the chances that Hawaii and Lewis will get back their NCAA MVB titles?
I know the Heisman Trust is different from the NCAA, but I wonder what the chances would be? For Hawaii, what was deemed a violation for Costas is now a widespread practice.
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Post by yoyosussy on Apr 24, 2024 21:46:38 GMT -5
With Reggie Bush getting back his Heisman, what are the chances that Hawaii and Lewis will get back their NCAA MVB titles?
I know the Heisman Trust is different from the NCAA, but I wonder what the chances would be? For Hawaii, what was deemed a violation for Costas is now a widespread practice.
I think you mean what are the chances they give Pepperdine the title for Hawai’i cheating |
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Post by ancksunamun on Apr 24, 2024 22:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by ancksunamun on Apr 24, 2024 22:30:57 GMT -5
With Reggie Bush getting back his Heisman, what are the chances that Hawaii and Lewis will get back their NCAA MVB titles?
I know the Heisman Trust is different from the NCAA, but I wonder what the chances would be? For Hawaii, what was deemed a violation for Costas is now a widespread practice.
I think you mean what are the chances they give Pepperdine the title for Hawai’i cheating How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. |
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Post by yoyosussy on Apr 24, 2024 23:31:56 GMT -5
How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. Thus Pepperdine should get title |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 24, 2024 23:32:35 GMT -5
How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. This Pepperdine should get title That’s not how it works. |
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Post by abacaxi on Apr 25, 2024 0:17:53 GMT -5
How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. This Pepperdine should get title As I recall, one of the Hawaii players played on a pro team but was not paid. The rules at the time did not allow that. In contrast, golfers have been allowed to compete in pro tournaments without affecting their collegiate eligibility. Different sports. Different rules. Different times. |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 25, 2024 0:22:44 GMT -5
Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. This Pepperdine should get title That’s not how it works. Right, how it works is they replay the national championship match, except Pepperdine has to play the team that Hawaii eliminated in the semifinals (Penn State) even if the title is vacated like 10 years later  and winner gets the new national title. It would honestly be really cool to see them round up teams with players in their 30s and see what caliber volleyball teams could put out. |
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Post by staticb on Apr 25, 2024 1:17:09 GMT -5
Why Hawaii has not petitioned the NCAA to get the titles vacated back is beyond me. Lots of random "experts" over the years think Hawaii would win--the NCAA would likely not want to put up a big fight if Hawaii sued them. At the very least it wouldn't hurt to ask.
As others have said, what they did is legal today. (As I understand it, it wasn't even a high level pro team, mainly an glorified adult club)
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Post by brooselee on Apr 25, 2024 1:29:45 GMT -5
Why Hawaii has not petitioned the NCAA to get the titles vacated back is beyond me. Lots of random "experts" over the years think Hawaii would win--the NCAA would likely not want to put up a big fight if Hawaii sued them. At the very least it wouldn't hurt to ask. As others have said, what they did is legal today. (As I understand it, it wasn't even a high level pro team, mainly an glorified adult club) Maybe Hawaii don’t want to “rock the boat” with the NCAA. The NCAA have already been good to UH by letting them play extra games to generate extra revenue to offset travel cost, having multiple tournaments for all sports and other benefits due to our distance…like allowing Hawaii’s football team to play a week earlier in week zero. If we sue and win the case, the NCAA could drop all of these benefits and just let UH battle all their disadvantages on their own. To me, suing is overkill. Just petition them. If turn down, be thankful and move on. Suing the NCAA will just give them an opportunity to not care about Hawaii. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Apr 25, 2024 1:43:39 GMT -5
How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. This Pepperdine should get title define what it means for an individual to have "played pro" |
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Post by babybacksets on Apr 25, 2024 2:16:47 GMT -5
How did Hawai'i cheat? Explain it to me. Had a player on their team who played pro which was illegal and beat Pepperdine in 5 in national championship. This Pepperdine should get title You sound ridiculous. I really hope you know that. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 25, 2024 2:28:17 GMT -5
Why Hawaii has not petitioned the NCAA to get the titles vacated back is beyond me. Lots of random "experts" over the years think Hawaii would win--the NCAA would likely not want to put up a big fight if Hawaii sued them. At the very least it wouldn't hurt to ask. As others have said, what they did is legal today. (As I understand it, it wasn't even a high level pro team, mainly an glorified adult club) It was against the rules at the time. Everyone thinks that suing the NCAA is the solution to everything. Denying NIL opportunities has been found to be unlawful, but no such legal ruling has been made about eligibility, so what legal basis exists to sue? The NCAA adapted its own rules on eligibility, and they could have addressed this issue too. Lobbying the NCAA to voluntarily reverse the vacancies would seem to be a better approach, but even that seems unlikely to succeed. |
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Post by coy on Apr 25, 2024 10:07:35 GMT -5
No.
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Post by staticb on Apr 25, 2024 10:14:28 GMT -5
It was against the rules at the time. Everyone thinks that suing the NCAA is the solution to everything. Denying NIL opportunities has been found to be unlawful, but no such legal ruling has been made about eligibility, so what legal basis exists to sue? The NCAA adapted its own rules on eligibility, and they could have addressed this issue too. Lobbying the NCAA to voluntarily reverse the vacancies would seem to be a better approach, but even that seems unlikely to succeed. Everyone thinks suing the NCAA is the solution to everything because they always lose. The legal basis is that a bunch of other teams/players have gotten their stuff back (Penn State and Joe Paterno/Lousiville etc). What Hawaii did is legal today and I would argue that the rules simply were not as clear back then with the professional system not being the same as the US system (which the rules were made up for) Anyway, they should ask. |
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and winner gets the new national title.
