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Post by ACE on Apr 26, 2024 0:38:50 GMT -5
This is obviously brought on due to the success of both programs. No one was complaining back in the 2011 when Hawaii had Hunt, Umlauf, and Zemljak or 2013/14 when Hawaii had Marks, Timmer, Mckellar, Zarkovic, Mol, Sedore because Hawaii wasn't a contender then. Hawaii and Long Beach has gotten foreign recruits, but aside from unhuman Alex Nikolov, who came in and dominated the game from the get go? I can't think of anyone. Every one of Hawaii's foreign recruits had to work and train hard to get even into the conversation for all-american status or POY. Parapunov really didn't make a splash until his junior year. Jakob Thelle was a serving specialist his frosh year and got benched at starter mid season his sophomore year. Szsersen and SVT were both plug and play among many others in the past. The foreign players raise the level and are a... GOOD THING... unless you are either a fan of one of the schools that hasn't figured out how to recruit quality foreign players... or a bench player or hopeful recruit being turned down by one of the schools that has... or one of those players parents. This is the new reality and the level of the top team is this now, if there are domestic players not up to that level, there are lots of other teams as mentioned on the thread. There is not one player I can think of in the current national team program that has been or would have been disadvantaged by having more foreign players to compete against in college. The kids getting pushed down are not that caliber of player. ...and we're talking about Wade and Knipe's job as head coaches IS to run a successful program. Coaching is their job, and with all jobs (unless congress, but I won't go there), if the product you produce is crappy, you get terminated. If recruiting international players helps you produce a winning product, then so be it. People want to talk "recruit better domestically", but what can you do if they simply don't want to come to a program? When was the last time Hawaii had the #1 or #2 recruit in back to back seasons or a top two recruiting class in back to back seasons??? |
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 26, 2024 3:23:42 GMT -5
Szsersen and SVT were both plug and play among many others in the past. The foreign players raise the level and are a... GOOD THING... unless you are either a fan of one of the schools that hasn't figured out how to recruit quality foreign players... or a bench player or hopeful recruit being turned down by one of the schools that has... or one of those players parents. This is the new reality and the level of the top team is this now, if there are domestic players not up to that level, there are lots of other teams as mentioned on the thread. There is not one player I can think of in the current national team program that has been or would have been disadvantaged by having more foreign players to compete against in college. The kids getting pushed down are not that caliber of player. ...and we're talking about Wade and Knipe's job as head coaches IS to run a successful program. Coaching is their job, and with all jobs (unless congress, but I won't go there), if the product you produce is crappy, you get terminated. If recruiting international players helps you produce a winning product, then so be it. People want to talk "recruit better domestically", but what can you do if they simply don't want to come to a program? When was the last time Hawaii had the #1 or #2 recruit in back to back seasons or a top two recruiting class in back to back seasons??? Never. That's the answer to your question. Hawaii has never been able to attract the #1 or #2 US rated player and Hawaii has never had a ranked #1 or #2 class. Why is that? Because many of them just don't want to come all the way to Hawaii or would prefer a more prestigious school to get their degree. And tbh, that's fine and their decision. But Hawaii will not play 2nd fiddle while a small handful of programs get the cream of the crop US players year in and year out. So much so that their bench is bursting at the seams of what looks like endless fab 50 Recipients. Hawaii will continue to recruit internationally in what has been more than 20+ years of doing so! Go Bows! |
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Post by gofaster88 on Apr 26, 2024 8:33:52 GMT -5
Where does Tread rank realistically in the HS Class of 2023? Since he came out early, I don't think he really got classified among that group. But realistically isn't he a #1 or #2? Finn would be among the top 5 at least for the class of 2024, wouldn't he?
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 26, 2024 9:42:43 GMT -5
Where does Tread rank realistically in the HS Class of 2023? Since he came out early, I don't think he really got classified among that group. But realistically isn't he a #1 or #2? Finn would be among the top 5 at least for the class of 2024, wouldn't he? Finn is #3. Tread would be top #5 for sure. But going back to what I mentioned earlier....Hawaii still has not gotten the top ranked or #2 ranked player of their class. |
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Post by wilbur on Apr 26, 2024 11:32:22 GMT -5
Where does Tread rank realistically in the HS Class of 2023? Since he came out early, I don't think he really got classified among that group. But realistically isn't he a #1 or #2? Finn would be among the top 5 at least for the class of 2024, wouldn't he? Finn is #3. Tread would be top #5 for sure. But going back to what I mentioned earlier....Hawaii still has not gotten the top ranked or #2 ranked player of their class. If you are going off the volleyball mag rankings for who is top in the class you are correct but if you poll the top 20 men's college coaches they would take Tread over Wes Smith in the class of 2023... they would say this a year ago and now. Maybe not UCLA because they have the setter position covered in his age range but every other program would be foolish to not take him over any other player in the 2023 class and this includes foreign players which is rare. Hawaii is doing just fine with recruiting. UCLA and USC are hard to recruit against, but Charlie should get credit for doing a good job at it. If he saved some more $ for domestic players they would get more fab 50 but he doesn't and it is the right decision. I get tired of UH fans complaining about how bad they have it with recruiting... no other fans do it, why UH? |
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Post by gofaster88 on Apr 26, 2024 11:43:17 GMT -5
Finn is #3. Tread would be top #5 for sure. But going back to what I mentioned earlier....Hawaii still has not gotten the top ranked or #2 ranked player of their class. If you are going off the volleyball mag rankings for who is top in the class you are correct but if you poll the top 20 men's college coaches they would take Tread over Wes Smith in the class of 2023... they would say this a year ago and now. Maybe not UCLA because they have the setter position covered in his age range but every other program would be foolish to not take him over any other player in the 2023 class and this includes foreign players which is rare. Hawaii is doing just fine with recruiting. UCLA and USC are hard to recruit against, but Charlie should get credit for doing a good job at it. If he saved some more $ for domestic players they would get more fab 50 but he doesn't and it is the right decision. I get tired of UH fans complaining about how bad they have it with recruiting... no other fans do it, why UH? That's what I'm wondering. Shouldn't Tread be considered #1 for 2023? |
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 26, 2024 15:16:59 GMT -5
Finn is #3. Tread would be top #5 for sure. But going back to what I mentioned earlier....Hawaii still has not gotten the top ranked or #2 ranked player of their class. If you are going off the volleyball mag rankings for who is top in the class you are correct but if you poll the top 20 men's college coaches they would take Tread over Wes Smith in the class of 2023... they would say this a year ago and now. Maybe not UCLA because they have the setter position covered in his age range but every other program would be foolish to not take him over any other player in the 2023 class and this includes foreign players which is rare. Hawaii is doing just fine with recruiting. UCLA and USC are hard to recruit against, but Charlie should get credit for doing a good job at it. If he saved some more $ for domestic players they would get more fab 50 but he doesn't and it is the right decision. I get tired of UH fans complaining about how bad they have it with recruiting... no other fans do it, why UH? Interesting you get tired of Hawaii fans complaining because I get equally tired of people complaining about our international starters as if we've only been doing that just the past 5 years or so. Most Hawaii fans are content with how we've been recruiting. It's fans outside of the Hawaii fanbase consistently ragging on us because of our international starters. So as Charlie has mentioned over the years and I'll repeat it.....the top guns doesn't choose Hawaii. That's the truth. We will get a Gasman, Tread, or Worsley brothers every blue moon. And we are okay with it tbh. Why are we okay with it? Because it order for us to compete we have to recruit internationally. And will continue to do so. |
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Post by wilbur on Apr 26, 2024 15:27:47 GMT -5
If you are going off the volleyball mag rankings for who is top in the class you are correct but if you poll the top 20 men's college coaches they would take Tread over Wes Smith in the class of 2023... they would say this a year ago and now. Maybe not UCLA because they have the setter position covered in his age range but every other program would be foolish to not take him over any other player in the 2023 class and this includes foreign players which is rare. Hawaii is doing just fine with recruiting. UCLA and USC are hard to recruit against, but Charlie should get credit for doing a good job at it. If he saved some more $ for domestic players they would get more fab 50 but he doesn't and it is the right decision. I get tired of UH fans complaining about how bad they have it with recruiting... no other fans do it, why UH? Interesting you get tired of Hawaii fans complaining because I get equally tired of people complaining about our international starters as if we've only been doing that just the past 5 years or so. Most Hawaii fans are content with how we've been recruiting. It's fans outside of the Hawaii fanbase consistently ragging on us because of our international starters. So as Charlie has mentioned over the years and I'll repeat it.....the top guns doesn't choose Hawaii. That's the truth. We will get a Gasman, Tread, or Worsley brothers every blue moon. And we are okay with it tbh. Why are we okay with it? Because it order for us to compete we have to recruit internationally. And will continue to do so. I get tired of both, but I do see each's point of view. |
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Post by staticb on Apr 26, 2024 15:29:49 GMT -5
The top US players wanted to play for the same school--you can't fault Hawaii and the Big West schools for doing what they needed to to do in order to be competitive--the top US Players didn't play for them--so they should accept being 2nd rate forever? Now everyone is also going after the top international guys.
It should help our US players to play against top level international competition earlier.
If you want more opportunities for US men's player it starts from the ground up. More scholarships on the men's side, have high school volleyball offered in every state. The pipeline and recruiting pool is so thin as it is. Encourage the B1G to take up men's vball (only need 2 more teams)
More opportunities leads to more players playing, which leads to better and more developed players. I know tons of athletes who played like volleyball and football or basketball who eventually dropped vball because there's no scholarships available.
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Post by babybacksets on Apr 26, 2024 16:51:15 GMT -5
The answers to all the questions are;
- Sanction High School Boys Volleyball in all 50 states.
- Stop the USAV/AAU pissing contest once and for all and get either both leagues working in conjunction with each other on opposite weekends or combine their resources for one truly respectable league.
The End.
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