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Post by ManapuaSurprise on May 5, 2024 17:36:15 GMT -5
Good to see UCLA, Grand Canyon, and UC San Diego achieving 10-yr highs. Sadly Ball State's dropped by about 35%
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Post by vinnielopes on May 6, 2024 9:26:30 GMT -5
For Ball State, a big reason for the dip in average was those tune up matches against local Indiana schools before playing BYU the first weekend of the season. The matches took place before students got back on campus and I think all non-students were still recovering from the holidays 😂
Fun matches to go up against in-state schools to help grow the game in Indiana, but bit of attendance average crushers.
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Post by MonroeClark90 on May 6, 2024 12:23:04 GMT -5
For Ball State, a big reason for the dip in average was those tune up matches against local Indiana schools before playing BYU the first weekend of the season. The matches took place before students got back on campus and I think all non-students were still recovering from the holidays 😂 Fun matches to go up against in-state schools to help grow the game in Indiana, but bit of attendance average crushers. Was interested in your take and looked at the schedules. You've definitely got a point. Last year their first home match was 1/20. This year, 7 of the 17 matches played at worthen were 1/16 and earlier before the students returned with 2 vs Tusculum, 2 vs Wabash, 1 vs St Thomas More, 1 vs Trine, and the 7th vs UCSD. And then they had 2 vs mighty Queens on the weekend the campus closed for spring break. So 9 of 17 games played without the student body on campus. I think I'll wait a year and look at next season before declaring this a trend. Unfortunately the alarm is in the numbers at OSU and PSU for those on other threads talking about big power 5 schools adding teams. Those aren't great numbers for enormous Universities with facilities on campus. |
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Post by averagefan69 on May 6, 2024 12:25:41 GMT -5
Good to see UCLA, Grand Canyon, and UC San Diego achieving 10-yr highs. Sadly Ball State's dropped by about 35%
Are these solely based on numbers? Or relative to gym capacity? Because I swear to go Lewis sells out there entire gym almost consistently. Haven't been there but I heard its very small. Purdue also seems have a loyal fan base |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on May 6, 2024 12:29:54 GMT -5
Good to see UCLA, Grand Canyon, and UC San Diego achieving 10-yr highs. Sadly Ball State's dropped by about 35%
Are these solely based on numbers? Or relative to gym capacity? Because I swear to go Lewis sells out there entire gym almost consistently. Haven't been there but I heard its very small. Purdue also seems have a loyal fan base just attendance. If by capacity %, Lewis would be at #2 averaging at 63.5% . Their season total is 9,775 |
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Post by thebeach1 on May 6, 2024 15:07:06 GMT -5
Are these solely based on numbers? Or relative to gym capacity? Because I swear to go Lewis sells out there entire gym almost consistently. Haven't been there but I heard its very small. Purdue also seems have a loyal fan base just attendance. If by capacity %, Lewis would be at #2 averaging at 63.5% . Their season total is 9,775 When has capacity ever been used in compiling stats of average attendance? Moreover, why would the number of seats filled, in relation to capacity, ever be considered in determining average attendance? Average attendance is simple: Total number of ticketed fans--in attendance at all home games--divided by the total number of home games. |
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Post by averagefan69 on May 6, 2024 15:20:33 GMT -5
just attendance. If by capacity %, Lewis would be at #2 averaging at 63.5% . Their season total is 9,775 When has capacity ever been used in compiling stats of average attendance? Moreover, why would the number of seats filled, in relation to capacity, ever be considered in determining average attendance? Average attendance is simple: Total number of ticketed fans--in attendance at all home games--divided by the total number of games. I would argue per capita is more of a better statistic if you're looking at the popularity of the team and sport. I understand this is strictly about raw ticket numbers so fine, but if Lewis had a larger gym, you don't think they'd have more people? This is a simple per capita stat. If were simply looking at macroeconomics, if country A has a trillion dollar GDP but they have a trillion people living there when country B had the same GDP but only a billion people, obviously Country B has a better economic standing at the individual level, so why should this not apply to this? |
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Post by thebeach1 on May 6, 2024 15:41:49 GMT -5
When has capacity ever been used in compiling stats of average attendance? Moreover, why would the number of seats filled, in relation to capacity, ever be considered in determining average attendance? Average attendance is simple: Total number of ticketed fans--in attendance at all home games--divided by the total number of games. I would argue per capita is more of a better statistic if you're looking at the popularity of the team and sport. I understand this is strictly about raw ticket numbers so fine, but if Lewis had a larger gym, you don't think they'd have more people? This is a simple per capita stat. If were simply looking at macroeconomics, if country A has a trillion dollar GDP but they have a trillion people living there when country B had the same GDP but only a billion people, obviously Country B has a better economic standing at the individual level, so why should this not apply to this? Well, if it makes you feel better, kudos to Lewis University MVB for filling--on average--650 seats of their 1100 seat gym over 15 home games. Its great that Lewis had sellouts--over 1K in attendance-- hosting UCLA, BYU, Ohio St., and Loyola Chicago. However, the other 11 home games averaged less than 500 fans per game. |
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Post by averagefan69 on May 7, 2024 7:34:20 GMT -5
I would argue per capita is more of a better statistic if you're looking at the popularity of the team and sport. I understand this is strictly about raw ticket numbers so fine, but if Lewis had a larger gym, you don't think they'd have more people? This is a simple per capita stat. If were simply looking at macroeconomics, if country A has a trillion dollar GDP but they have a trillion people living there when country B had the same GDP but only a billion people, obviously Country B has a better economic standing at the individual level, so why should this not apply to this? Well, if it makes you feel better, kudos to Lewis University MVB for filling--on average--650 seats of their 1100 seat gym over 15 home games. Its great that Lewis had sellouts--over 1K in attendance-- hosting UCLA, BYU, Ohio St., and Loyola Chicago. However, the other 11 home games averaged less than 500 fans per game. No need for me to feel better! Not offended considering I have nothing to do with any of this anyway. Was just pointing out that maybe using vs capacity statistics would be a cool way to do it! |
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Post by ITA/USA on May 7, 2024 10:24:39 GMT -5
Capacity could be a factor only at sell outs. If the gym was bigger, there could have been more people
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on May 7, 2024 14:19:24 GMT -5
Capacity could be a factor only at sell outs. If the gym was bigger, there could have been more people and during non-sellouts, would look super empty. Also the problem with capacity % is that some gyms allow for standing-room-only (could go over 100%) and some dont have a published max capacity, like Loyola, UCSB, Lindenwood, etc and thus cant calculate %. No way im researching those numbers manually lol |
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Post by abacaxi on May 7, 2024 14:56:44 GMT -5
Quick and dirty web search on capacity and calculation of percentage of seats filled in 2024
Hawaii 10,300 61%
BYU 5,000 72%
Long Beach 4,200 44%
UCLA 13,800 13%
UC Irvine 5,000 24%
Grand Canyon 7,000 16%
Ohio State 3,700 25%
Ball State 11,500 8%
UC San Diego 5,000 17%
Penn State 7,200 11%
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on May 7, 2024 15:37:30 GMT -5
Quick and dirty web search on capacity and calculation of percentage of seats filled in 2024 Hawaii 10,300 61% BYU 5,000 72% Long Beach 4,200 44% UCLA 13,800 13% UC Irvine 5,000 24% Grand Canyon 7,000 16% Ohio State 3,700 25% Ball State 11,500 8% UC San Diego 5,000 17% Penn State 7,200 11% For people that need it: - Go to stats.ncaa.org/- click on 1st tab: National Rankings - Select Sport: Men's Volleyball - Select Division: I - Click last tab: Misc Reports - Click Attendance - Sort how you want |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 7, 2024 16:00:40 GMT -5
Quick and dirty web search on capacity and calculation of percentage of seats filled in 2024 Hawaii 10,300 61% BYU 5,000 72% Long Beach 4,200 44% UCLA 13,800 13% UC Irvine 5,000 24% Grand Canyon 7,000 16% Ohio State 3,700 25% Ball State 11,500 8% UC San Diego 5,000 17% Penn State 7,200 11% if Beach averaged over 2200, how are they 44% of capacity? not that it matters all too much |
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Post by thebeach1 on May 7, 2024 16:08:12 GMT -5
Quick and dirty web search on capacity and calculation of percentage of seats filled in 2024 Hawaii 10,300 61% BYU 5,000 72% Long Beach 4,200 44% UCLA 13,800 13% UC Irvine 5,000 24% Grand Canyon 7,000 16% Ohio State 3,700 25% Ball State 11,500 8% UC San Diego 5,000 17% Penn State 7,200 11% The above table on capacity--and calculation of percentage of seats filled in 2024-- mirrors from top to bottom the table depicting the cumulative number of seats filled divided by the total number of home games. |
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