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Post by mplsgopher on May 26, 2024 8:33:09 GMT -5
So many people have predicted fans and donors would walk away from college sports and yet more than two years into kids getting paid they're as popular as ever. The ultimate red line, I will wild guess, is players being required to be students and making progress towards a degree.
Up to that point, I think it will just keep growing, like you're saying. After that ... I'm less confident. Hope we never find out.
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Post by Phaedrus on May 26, 2024 8:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by crossover2 on May 26, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -5
I have a 2025 athlete who has verbally committed as a walk-on to a smaller d1 conference. Would it be possible she is cut to fulfill the roster requirement? If she isn't cut, would she be on scholarship?
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 11:06:53 GMT -5
lol, so what exactly did that article clarify? title should have been: Legal Settlement Is Not Understood or Explained in the Article You are About to Read, so Don't Bother Reading! |
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Post by Phaedrus on May 26, 2024 11:08:03 GMT -5
I have a 2025 athlete who has verbally committed as a walk-on to a smaller d1 conference. Would it be possible she is cut to fulfill the roster requirement? If she isn't cut, would she be on scholarship? Not sure if anyone can answer that yet. The full plan hasn't been approved or released, and after that it is up to the schools to decide how to best navigate the new agreement. |
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Post by Phaedrus on May 26, 2024 11:10:02 GMT -5
lol, so what exactly did that article clarify? title should have been: Legal Settlement Is Not Understood or Explained in the Article You are About to Read, so Don't Bother Reading! The headline should be: nobody knows whether this will be agreed to and how it will be interpreted and executed by the schools. Alternative headline is: lawyers are going to get really really rich. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 11:15:33 GMT -5
If scholarships are added - the transfer portal will be even worse. There will be no more playing time, just more unhappy kids at the end of the bench collecting a paycheck. Depends on the details - the new pay the athlete proposal is probably going to include scholarship guarantees for the athlete and the University. There may be buyout options, but these guarantees or contracts may make for less transfers or possibly not more frequent transfers. But then - unhappy kids that aren't playing will be more likely to be released from their contract then starters, as it should be. where do you get it will mean scholarship guarantees? why? they can transfer and have freedon, no need for schollie guarantees buy-outs? I think people are assuming a lot of funding in the future that may not be there. it would be good to actually get an explaination of 2 things. payments to 'settle' and any language that provides that. I a bit surprised the lack of detail on that. if the issue was players getting unfairly compensated, then where is the factual data on how they generated revenue, as an example if football was a $10 mil profit, then I can see distributing $10 mil in teh past (and accordingly in the future) to football players, and yes not to women or men who did not generate profit or value. to me that's the question, that so far nobody can seem to explain in the settlement, which to me seems odd. how are they going to distribute past money? surely, lol, that would have been considered and known as part of a settlement?! because that provides for compensation in the future otherwise, it's just a settlement for settlement sakes to pay a bunch of legal fees and attornies. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 11:17:58 GMT -5
I've seen stories about women's rowing teams (for one example) padding their rosters - and so keeping their schools "in compliance" - by carrying students om the team roster if the student did nothing more than show up at one 'organizing' meeting. That is, they show and sign in at a meeting because they're thinking of trying rowing. Then even if they bever show up again, they still "count". There are certainly schools who are currently in violation of Title IX. And some who are even fraudulently hiding that fact. It takes a lawsuit to get that corrected. I'm not saying everybody is in compliance, just that this new structure doesn't really change things a whole lot. which schools are those? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 11:20:44 GMT -5
When you are trying not to get sued by people with 4 years to play, you probably don't have 4 years to put it in place. I don’t know what you mean. I’m not saying they’ll wait to start paying athletes. I’m saying they’ll give schools time to reduce their roster sizes. For example, if they settle on a max roster size of football for 90, but Alabama football currently has 130. I don’t know how anybody would be upset with allowing more than 90 athletes for the next three seasons so nobody on the current roster has to get kicked off. lol, the fact any school has a roster size of 90 or lol 130 tells one all they need to know that is wrong with college athletics. cap Football rosters at 55. easy but of course won't happen football can go F itself. what people see in football anymore is beyond me. gladiator sport with little redeeming value beyond the marching band |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 11:22:46 GMT -5
Specifically in Volleyball, what do you think the roster limits will be? 12 scholarships was a poor number, and probably should have been more like 14 or 15 IMHO. So this might be a good thing in this specific sport. The NCAA tournament travel party limit is 16 players in uniform, so if they feel they need that many for tournament play, I'd expect that they would be allowed to scholarship that many. Maybe 1 more or 1 less? Just a hunch. How does the effect the 2025 and 2026 class? Well, theoretically, that's like 1200 more D1 scholarships, but not everybody funds all 12 now. And who decides that instead of half-funding 10-12 women's sports, they'll try to fully fund the minimum 7-8, and how many of them decide to cut volleyball? 3 schools going to 16 scholarships would at least offset 1 school cutting their team or dropping to D3. I would expect the full 68 schools in the power 4 and probably a handful of others to go to the max I would say it was conservative for 75 schools to fully fund volleyball, and I would think 25 schools cutting volleyball or dropping to D3 in 14 months time is overly ambitious. So I think there are going to be MORE scholarships in 2025 and 2026. But as I said a few days ago, I don't expect the top teams to go get HS kids. If they have $20-30k to waive around, I would expect them to go to the portal, or - since student visa holders can usually work on campus, and is amateurism still a requirement to get through the clearinghouse? - they might spend it internationally. what a waste, 5-6 roster spots for players that won't every fulfill their desire to play competitively, segregated from the student body for the most part in a semi-pro sports cacoon. |
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Post by mplsgopher on May 26, 2024 11:29:14 GMT -5
I have a 2025 athlete who has verbally committed as a walk-on to a smaller d1 conference. Would it be possible she is cut to fulfill the roster requirement? If she isn't cut, would she be on scholarship? There are roster limits now. The coaching staff presumably was planning for her to be on the roster in 25, within that limit. I think the only way she’d be out of luck is if the roster limit decreased in the new regime. My guess is that, at least for women’s sports, roster limits won’t decrease. Sincr it’s a lower conf, I don’t think there will be any requirement for them to give a (full) scholarship to every roster spot. My guess then is they will maintain the same number of overall scholarships for the team. |
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Post by n00b on May 26, 2024 11:34:00 GMT -5
I have a 2025 athlete who has verbally committed as a walk-on to a smaller d1 conference. Would it be possible she is cut to fulfill the roster requirement? If she isn't cut, would she be on scholarship? There are roster limits now. The coaching staff presumably was planning for her to be on the roster in 25, within that limit. I think the only way she’d be out of luck is if the roster limit decreased in the new regime. My guess is that, at least for women’s sports, roster limits won’t decrease. Sincr it’s a lower conf, I don’t think there will be any requirement for them to give a (full) scholarship to every roster spot. My guess then is they will maintain the same number of overall scholarships for the team. There are not roster limits now. |
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Post by mplsgopher on May 26, 2024 11:58:20 GMT -5
There are roster limits now. The coaching staff presumably was planning for her to be on the roster in 25, within that limit. I think the only way she’d be out of luck is if the roster limit decreased in the new regime. My guess is that, at least for women’s sports, roster limits won’t decrease. Sincr it’s a lower conf, I don’t think there will be any requirement for them to give a (full) scholarship to every roster spot. My guess then is they will maintain the same number of overall scholarships for the team. There are not roster limits now. There are in football, guess I made a bad assumption if there aren’t in other sports. The limit in football increased from 110 to 120 recently. That said, these roster limits will be integral in schools meeting Title IX going forward. In women’s sports, I would wild guess they’ll be above the mean roster size of FBS schools. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 26, 2024 12:03:09 GMT -5
So would schools be paying athletes for exclusive control of the the athletes' NIL? Or is this more like "if you want Sally Slugger's picture on your team roster website, you need to pay her for that right"?
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Post by mikegarrison on May 26, 2024 12:05:53 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if we'll see some schools just bow out of school-sponsored sports entirely. Most schools don't make money from sports ... they mainly offer them as student life activities. If that becomes even more expensive for the schools, will they still bother to do it?
Maybe they would just switch to a club sports model. Let the student athletes organize themselves like any other student activity.
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