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Post by volleyballer8992 on May 26, 2024 12:32:39 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if we'll see some schools just bow out of school-sponsored sports entirely. Most schools don't make money from sports ... they mainly offer them as student life activities. If that becomes even more expensive for the schools, will they still bother to do it? Maybe they would just switch to a club sports model. Let the student athletes organize themselves like any other student activity. Damn.... BYE coaching jobs LOL |
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Post by noblesol on May 26, 2024 12:41:58 GMT -5
Since none of this grows the college sports funding pie, it boils down to some will get a bigger cut of existing funding, many will get less. Some schools and players may win the lottery, but most will lose. Political meddling at the behest of big donors, and attorney legal fees, may drain or break many. Some may decide to downsize, change associations and divisions, and aim lower. Or completely withdraw and focus on education. Given the big athletic budget deficits run up by many, some downscaling is overdue.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 26, 2024 13:40:52 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if we'll see some schools just bow out of school-sponsored sports entirely. Most schools don't make money from sports ... they mainly offer them as student life activities. If that becomes even more expensive for the schools, will they still bother to do it? Maybe they would just switch to a club sports model. Let the student athletes organize themselves like any other student activity. Damn.... BYE coaching jobs LOL Club teams still hire coaches, sometimes, but probably not for full-time salaries. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 26, 2024 14:09:21 GMT -5
Damn.... BYE coaching jobs LOL Club teams still hire coaches, sometimes, but probably not for full-time salaries. A significant reduction in college sports opportunities is going to seriously hurt the youth sports industrial complex. The competition for college spots is a primary motivator of the inflation of the insane club VB costs and expenses. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 15:18:43 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if we'll see some schools just bow out of school-sponsored sports entirely. Most schools don't make money from sports ... they mainly offer them as student life activities. If that becomes even more expensive for the schools, will they still bother to do it? Maybe they would just switch to a club sports model. Let the student athletes organize themselves like any other student activity. Damn.... BYE coaching jobs LOL would be good to see, I doubt it. the entire sports media complex, schools offering sports management degrees. would like to see the data on those degrees awarded, and how many grads actually find a real sports managment job out of those degrees. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 26, 2024 15:20:28 GMT -5
Club teams still hire coaches, sometimes, but probably not for full-time salaries. A significant reduction in college sports opportunities is going to seriously hurt the youth sports industrial complex. The competition for college spots is a primary motivator of the inflation of the insane club VB costs and expenses. which would be a good thing. go back to high schools and city youth rec leagues for sports.....nah, need that overpriced youth sports complex. |
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Post by dodger on May 26, 2024 15:40:10 GMT -5
All very exciting and interedting: But for Big 5 who signed on to settlement and presuming judge agree’s and they dont lose again (there are at leadt 2 more in litigation) the big 5have ssid: 1) no more scholarships-contracts 2) roster limits no more scholarship limits! And if they go to employees (seems inevitable) no longer will titleIX be useful for employees! Title VII does equal pay for equal work: what womens basketball coaches sued for pay leverage in past. Universities eliminate, shrink, combine departments and get rid of all those employees all the time. Once an sthletic departments athletes are made employees; Title IX will not protect the female university volleyball employee!!! Maybe, but even if they are paying athletes, I don’t see how they won’t also be on scholarship. You think they’ll pay the football players then separately make them pay tuition? While attending class is a requirement for their employment? Yes, but; employee’s at universities regularly get tuition discounts to free tuition as part of employment contract: but you are still employee: and as employee my key point (opinion) is it relieves an athletic department from their Title IX legislated responsibilities. |
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Post by vbnerd on May 26, 2024 22:00:41 GMT -5
The NCAA tournament travel party limit is 16 players in uniform, so if they feel they need that many for tournament play, I'd expect that they would be allowed to scholarship that many. Maybe 1 more or 1 less? Just a hunch. Well, theoretically, that's like 1200 more D1 scholarships, but not everybody funds all 12 now. And who decides that instead of half-funding 10-12 women's sports, they'll try to fully fund the minimum 7-8, and how many of them decide to cut volleyball? 3 schools going to 16 scholarships would at least offset 1 school cutting their team or dropping to D3. I would expect the full 68 schools in the power 4 and probably a handful of others to go to the max I would say it was conservative for 75 schools to fully fund volleyball, and I would think 25 schools cutting volleyball or dropping to D3 in 14 months time is overly ambitious. So I think there are going to be MORE scholarships in 2025 and 2026. But as I said a few days ago, I don't expect the top teams to go get HS kids. If they have $20-30k to waive around, I would expect them to go to the portal, or - since student visa holders can usually work on campus, and is amateurism still a requirement to get through the clearinghouse? - they might spend it internationally. what a waste, 5-6 roster spots for players that won't every fulfill their desire to play competitively, segregated from the student body for the most part in a semi-pro sports cacoon. There are already top 30 recruits who sign with but cannot get on the court at top programs, but presumably they have a chance to compete everyday in practice. And maybe that full scholarship now comes with a $35k paycheck. Or if game time is more important, pick a different school. I think the idea is now they have choices. |
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Post by vbnerd on May 26, 2024 22:06:24 GMT -5
A significant reduction in college sports opportunities is going to seriously hurt the youth sports industrial complex. The competition for college spots is a primary motivator of the inflation of the insane club VB costs and expenses. which would be a good thing. go back to high schools and city youth rec leagues for sports.....nah, need that overpriced youth sports complex. 68 schools are about to start writing checks, and you think club sports is going to go away and parents are going to trust the drivers Ed instructor to get them a scholarship plus? I would be surprised. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 26, 2024 22:15:00 GMT -5
which would be a good thing. go back to high schools and city youth rec leagues for sports.....nah, need that overpriced youth sports complex. 68 schools are about to start writing checks, and you think club sports is going to go away and parents are going to trust the drivers Ed instructor to get them a scholarship plus? I would be surprised. 68 schools are about to start writing check, 300-400 are about to get out of that whole business, and a lot of the preferred walk on admissions spots at those 68 schools that semi-justified the investment are going POOF. Yes, there will be continued interest for top level athletes, and those who can be convinced they are parents of top level athletes, but the rubber is going to meet the road quickly and there will be a contraction. |
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Post by savannahbadger on May 26, 2024 22:29:15 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if we'll see some schools just bow out of school-sponsored sports entirely. Former B1G Commissioner Jim Delany once threatened that if the day were to come that universities would have to pay players, that the B1G would move down to D-III. Good thing he’s not commissioner today. Or… is it? |
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Post by n00b on May 27, 2024 9:47:03 GMT -5
68 schools are about to start writing checks, and you think club sports is going to go away and parents are going to trust the drivers Ed instructor to get them a scholarship plus? I would be surprised. 68 schools are about to start writing check, 300-400 are about to get out of that whole business, and a lot of the preferred walk on admissions spots at those 68 schools that semi-justified the investment are going POOF. Yes, there will be continued interest for top level athletes, and those who can be convinced they are parents of top level athletes, but the rubber is going to meet the road quickly and there will be a contraction. I think the chances of that are EXCEEDINGLY small. Explain to me why Wofford (or insert other random small D1 school) would now drop their athletics program? |
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Post by n00b on May 27, 2024 10:07:05 GMT -5
There are certainly schools who are currently in violation of Title IX. And some who are even fraudulently hiding that fact. It takes a lawsuit to get that corrected. I'm not saying everybody is in compliance, just that this new structure doesn't really change things a whole lot. which schools are those? A majority of FBS football programs. But here's one. Mississippi State Student population is 50.9% female. Only 42.3% of their athletes are female. They'd need close to 100 female athletes to bridge that gap. Are they demonstrating a history of program expansion for women? Not that I can tell? Are they fully and effectively accommodating the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex? I see they have a women's club lacrosse team. If they filed a lawsuit, they'd win. In fact, this exact scenario happened at Florida State and FSU is now adding lacrosse as a result of the threat of a Title IX lawsuit. |
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Post by n00b on May 27, 2024 10:18:32 GMT -5
what a waste, 5-6 roster spots for players that won't every fulfill their desire to play competitively, segregated from the student body for the most part in a semi-pro sports cacoon. Counterargument: A max roster of 16 would mean the number of athletes on Big Ten rosters would decrease. The average roster size was 16.4. And 8 of the 18 programs had rosters bigger than 18 and would need to reduce their rosters by a combined 17 athletes to get below the max. Also the smallest roster in the Big Ten last year belonged to a program that could fund adding non-scholarship athletes with NIL money. Yet they didn't and thought the roster that gave them the best chance to win a national championship was 14. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 27, 2024 10:19:55 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on the impact on Women's volleyball.
1) As mentioned before - this is a boom for L/DS. Top programs are going to see an increase in the quality at this position - very top programs were pretty much already there.
2) Increase in players playing both indoor and beach. This really depends on the rules over scholarships - but I think it will become easier to play both. Potentially they could do away with beach scholarships cannot play indoor - or at a minimum, the increased scholarships will allow more players to play both. In addition - I could see an expansion in beach volleyball. I expect all Big Ten and SEC schools to have beach volleyball within the next 10-15 years. Maybe Big XII and ACC, but less likely than the big 2 conferences.
3) Continued separation between power 4 conferences and the rest. But also between the Big Ten/SEC and Big XII/ACC. I can see some mid majors that do not play football potentially being reasonably competitive (West Coast/Big East). But overall - we will see the trend for the SEC catching up with the Big Ten and those 2 conferences mostly dominating the sport.
4) College volleyball players generally overall are better off going forward. The sport continues to grow along with more parity. Just not the kind of parity we are seeing in MBB, just more elite programs.
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