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Post by n00b on Jun 5, 2024 10:02:11 GMT -5
By next summer, do we think current college athletes will be allowed and eligible to compete in The Basketball Tournament or The Soccer Tournament and keep the prize money? Will more of these types of events pop up?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 5, 2024 10:10:32 GMT -5
By next summer, do we think current college athletes will be allowed and eligible to compete in The Basketball Tournament or The Soccer Tournament and keep the prize money? Will more of these types of events pop up? I can only speak to TBT (because I don't follow the other one), but my read is they will be incentivized *not* to participate. A TBT share is a lot less than even mid-level P5 starters are making. Also, a rank and file DI guy is likely not moving the needle on a TBT team and the high level players have even less financial incentive to play (and are likely rookies in the NBA summer league while TBT is happening). |
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Post by vbnerd on Jun 5, 2024 11:26:01 GMT -5
By next summer, do we think current college athletes will be allowed and eligible to compete in The Basketball Tournament or The Soccer Tournament and keep the prize money? Will more of these types of events pop up? I can only speak to TBT (because I don't follow the other one), but my read is they will be incentivized *not* to participate. A TBT share is a lot less than even mid-level P5 starters are making. Also, a rank and file DI guy is likely not moving the needle on a TBT team and the high level players have even less financial incentive to play (and are likely rookies in the NBA summer league while TBT is happening). A bunch of college athletes will be in the Olympics this year. College baseball players go to the Cape Cod League and other leagues to play when school is out. College volleyball players go on these goodwill and exposure tours. I respected amateurism, but it's gone now, and under the CREAM rules (Cash Rules Everything Around Me - thanks Wu Tang! ) I don't see how they are going to stop a player from going to play in the offseason, if that's what they want to do, just because they might make money doing it. Honestly, I'm not sure how they are going to stop a player who declares for the NBA and doesn't get drafted from coming back either, and I won't be shocked when a NBA or NFL player with eligibility is cut and decides he wants to go back to college, and they have to let him. It might take a minute but I think we'll get there. |
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Post by vbdadof4 on Jun 5, 2024 11:35:19 GMT -5
I can only speak to TBT (because I don't follow the other one), but my read is they will be incentivized *not* to participate. A TBT share is a lot less than even mid-level P5 starters are making. Also, a rank and file DI guy is likely not moving the needle on a TBT team and the high level players have even less financial incentive to play (and are likely rookies in the NBA summer league while TBT is happening). A bunch of college athletes will be in the Olympics this year. College baseball players go to the Cape Cod League and other leagues to play when school is out. College volleyball players go on these goodwill and exposure tours. I respected amateurism, but it's gone now, and under the CREAM rules (Cash Rules Everything Around Me - thanks Wu Tang! ) I don't see how they are going to stop a player from going to play in the offseason, if that's what they want to do, just because they might make money doing it. Honestly, I'm not sure how they are going to stop a player who declares for the NBA and doesn't get drafted from coming back either, and I won't be shocked when a NBA or NFL player with eligibility is cut and decides he wants to go back to college, and they have to let him. It might take a minute but I think we'll get there. Is there an off season in Volleyball? Some programs are already back at it. I know not practice with coaches but back on campus for workouts and open gym. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 5, 2024 12:00:43 GMT -5
I can only speak to TBT (because I don't follow the other one), but my read is they will be incentivized *not* to participate. A TBT share is a lot less than even mid-level P5 starters are making. Also, a rank and file DI guy is likely not moving the needle on a TBT team and the high level players have even less financial incentive to play (and are likely rookies in the NBA summer league while TBT is happening). A bunch of college athletes will be in the Olympics this year. College baseball players go to the Cape Cod League and other leagues to play when school is out. College volleyball players go on these goodwill and exposure tours. I respected amateurism, but it's gone now, and under the CREAM rules (Cash Rules Everything Around Me - thanks Wu Tang! ) I don't see how they are going to stop a player from going to play in the offseason, if that's what they want to do, just because they might make money doing it. Honestly, I'm not sure how they are going to stop a player who declares for the NBA and doesn't get drafted from coming back either, and I won't be shocked when a NBA or NFL player with eligibility is cut and decides he wants to go back to college, and they have to let him. It might take a minute but I think we'll get there. I suppose it's possible, but in terms of the TBT the vast majority of college players aren't good enough to help a team win the title. And the ones that are would be taking an enormous risk for a non-guaranteed share of a winner-take-all prize that's a fraction of what they get paid in school. Like, TBT's purse is $1 million split eight or nine ways (at least). There's probably two dozen guys in college making $1 million or more right now. And hundreds making six figures. I just saw the fifth starter on a mediocre P5 team transfer to another mediocre P5 school for $500k a year. |
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Post by vbnerd on Jun 5, 2024 12:28:03 GMT -5
A bunch of college athletes will be in the Olympics this year. College baseball players go to the Cape Cod League and other leagues to play when school is out. College volleyball players go on these goodwill and exposure tours. I respected amateurism, but it's gone now, and under the CREAM rules (Cash Rules Everything Around Me - thanks Wu Tang! ) I don't see how they are going to stop a player from going to play in the offseason, if that's what they want to do, just because they might make money doing it. Honestly, I'm not sure how they are going to stop a player who declares for the NBA and doesn't get drafted from coming back either, and I won't be shocked when a NBA or NFL player with eligibility is cut and decides he wants to go back to college, and they have to let him. It might take a minute but I think we'll get there. I suppose it's possible, but in terms of the TBT the vast majority of college players aren't good enough to help a team win the title. And the ones that are would be taking an enormous risk for a non-guaranteed share of a winner-take-all prize that's a fraction of what they get paid in school. Like, TBT's purse is $1 million split eight or nine ways (at least). There's probably two dozen guys in college making $1 million or more right now. And hundreds making six figures. I just saw the fifth starter on a mediocre P5 team transfer to another mediocre P5 school for $500k a year. His question was would they be allowed and eligible. I imagine that they will be at some point. Is it a good business decision for them to play? Maybe not but that's a whole other issue. Some player decide it's not worth it to play in the Olympics or the world championship. I suppose it depends on your NIL deals and what you do with the TBT (or any other) platform to create value, and what your insurance policy looks like. |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 5, 2024 13:52:48 GMT -5
I stopped watching college men's football and basketball when their 'student'-athletes became more about drafts and in-school compensation than education. The better teams look like farm clubs for the pros, the rest are a mixed bag of dim hopefuls scrubbing for NIL nickels and dimes. And most schools playing this game have athletic departments losing money. This isn't what colleges should be about, and the current chaos is beginning to feel like an inflection point. Where the talent and money to be grabbed goes to a minority, while the majority realize they're the chumps taking body-bag games to survive, while still losing money and what's left of school pride doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 15:31:22 GMT -5
They completely don’t understand how much school pride plays into the support of most colleges. If they lose that because of moving to a pay for play, in and out situation, the money will be much less for everyone!
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 5, 2024 16:22:19 GMT -5
They completely don’t understand how much school pride plays into the support of most colleges. If they lose that because of moving to a pay for play, in and out situation, the money will be much less for everyone! Hasn't happened yet and the players have been getting paid for three years now. College sports are as popular as they've ever been. If the system can't survive without denying the players a fair share of the revenue generated by their labor it wasn't worth saving anyway. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Jun 5, 2024 19:15:23 GMT -5
Players at the tip top of DI, which does indeed generate (substantial) revenue beyond expenses, do absolutely deserve a fair share in that revenue. And they’re already well on the path to getting that fair share.
Athletes at all levels below that, which by and large don’t generate revenue beyond expenses, don’t have anything to share in.
Those tip top DI athletes will get their fair share without having to kill the golden goose.
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Post by n00b on Jun 5, 2024 19:18:14 GMT -5
They completely don’t understand how much school pride plays into the support of most colleges. If they lose that because of moving to a pay for play, in and out situation, the money will be much less for everyone! Hasn't happened yet and the players have been getting paid for three years now. College sports are as popular as they've ever been. If the system can't survive without denying the players a fair share of the revenue generated by their labor it wasn't worth saving anyway. Where do you think athletic departments (outside of Texas, Ohio St, etc) will find the $20M? Surely there will be spending that gets re-directed. What are the most likely cuts? |
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Post by HeyHey on Jun 5, 2024 19:22:55 GMT -5
This might be redundant but all of this lays at the feet of Mark Emmert.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 5, 2024 19:30:04 GMT -5
Hasn't happened yet and the players have been getting paid for three years now. College sports are as popular as they've ever been. If the system can't survive without denying the players a fair share of the revenue generated by their labor it wasn't worth saving anyway. Where do you think athletic departments (outside of Texas, Ohio St, etc) will find the $20M? Surely there will be spending that gets re-directed. What are the most likely cuts? They don't have to spend $20 million if they don't want to. But if they do, it'll be donors, mostly. The same people that are paying the players right now. Cuts will likely come from suspended capital projects and staff cuts. Cutting sports or scholarships will be highly unpopular but is certainly possible. |
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Post by n00b on Jun 5, 2024 19:37:47 GMT -5
This might be redundant but all of this lays at the feet of Mark Emmert. Nah. It’s crazy to think that university presidents would get to this point in any scenario other than the courts telling them they must. Emmert was the face of the organization, but just spoke on behalf of the presidents. No amount of leadership would’ve convinced them otherwise. |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 8, 2024 14:20:44 GMT -5
New NCAA model(s), lined up for new 'student'-athlete recruits: Hook'em
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