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Post by rogero1 on Aug 6, 2024 14:12:39 GMT -5
Just because you have a potential 18 schollies to give doesn’t mean you’ll give them all out because your school can’t afford to give all 18. The schools you now see with 18+ players can now give those 18 players money. Which means that those schools that needed 18 players before to help pay for those 12 will end up with 30 players now because they still need those extra 12 players to help pay for the 18. I can see JV teams forming to keep those extra players interested.
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Post by usavolleyball on Aug 6, 2024 14:30:21 GMT -5
Do we think this will cause a shakeup in recruiting? Watching the Big10 media days it made me think. For example, a team that is fully funded and who has the ability to fun 6 more scholarships to the max of 18 - would they decide to take a 3rd scholly setter for example? Starter, backup and starter in waiting. I could see a mid-major/D2 type setter getting an opportunity to take a paid backup roll at a top ranked school especially at a high academic school like in the Big10. DS/L would be another especially if they aren't getting 4 years at current school. I'm not sure I understand your question - will a team with 16 or 18 scholarships have more good players than they did when they had 12 scholarships? If they are doing it right, yes! They are not just going to scholarship the same type of player they've been having walk on - they will recruit more top players. Will those players be players that would have played for slightly lower teams? Yes, and many still will. In college football they recruit two top quarterbacks and when they figure out which isn't going to play, one transfers - Tim Tebow was the quarterback at Florida, so Cam Newton transferred out. Michigan State in 2007 signed Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles, but neither could beat out Jr Brian Hoyer so Cousins went to Iowa and Foles to Arizona and all 3 have spent 15+ years in the NFL. Just because they go to Ohio State first doesn't mean they won't still end up at Ohio as a Jr. Some coaches may recruit to roles - you are a serving specialist and backup setter - but I imagine many coaches are going to go get the most difference makers they can and figure it out in the gym. And if it's 75-90 schools adding 4-6 scholarships that is 300+ players sliding up from mid-tier conferences. And remember beach volleyball 3x their scholarship allotment so that could be dozens more players that aren't opening the e-mail from your favorite directional school. Or so it seems to me. I guess we have to wait and see how it all unfolds. I don’t know which QB you’re trying to recall that transferred from Michigan State to Iowa, but it was definitely not Kirk Cousins. Cousins redshirted in 2007. Backed up Hoyer in 2008, then was MSU’s starter for the next three seasons. |
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Post by Not Me on Aug 6, 2024 15:13:05 GMT -5
Just because you have a potential 18 schollies to give doesn’t mean you’ll give them all out because your school can’t afford to give all 18. The schools you now see with 18+ players can now give those 18 players money. Which means that those schools that needed 18 players before to help pay for those 12 will end up with 30 players now because they still need those extra 12 players to help pay for the 18. I can see JV teams forming to keep those extra players interested. That’s not how it works. Roster limit is 18. Scholarship or not. No extra players. No JV at the d1 level. |
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Post by Not Me on Aug 6, 2024 15:15:24 GMT -5
So for you option a, what about this option. School funds 12 scholarships. Nil collective funds additional scholarships which don’t count against the limit? If you do A you can give 18 scholarships: you can use part of profit sharing to fund additional scholarships! There is an NIL collective control built into settlement with stiff penalties for violoations No If you go with the 12 scholarship option, there is no revenue sharing. |
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Post by dodger on Aug 6, 2024 15:40:05 GMT -5
If you do A you can give 18 scholarships: you can use part of profit sharing to fund additional scholarships! There is an NIL collective control built into settlement with stiff penalties for violoations No If you go with the 12 scholarship option, there is no revenue sharing. True: which is “opt out” option b: option a “opt in and you have 18 roster limit and can profit share: |
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 6, 2024 23:48:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your question - will a team with 16 or 18 scholarships have more good players than they did when they had 12 scholarships? If they are doing it right, yes! They are not just going to scholarship the same type of player they've been having walk on - they will recruit more top players. Will those players be players that would have played for slightly lower teams? Yes, and many still will. In college football they recruit two top quarterbacks and when they figure out which isn't going to play, one transfers - Tim Tebow was the quarterback at Florida, so Cam Newton transferred out. Michigan State in 2007 signed Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles, but neither could beat out Jr Brian Hoyer so Cousins went to Iowa and Foles to Arizona and all 3 have spent 15+ years in the NFL. Just because they go to Ohio State first doesn't mean they won't still end up at Ohio as a Jr. Some coaches may recruit to roles - you are a serving specialist and backup setter - but I imagine many coaches are going to go get the most difference makers they can and figure it out in the gym. And if it's 75-90 schools adding 4-6 scholarships that is 300+ players sliding up from mid-tier conferences. And remember beach volleyball 3x their scholarship allotment so that could be dozens more players that aren't opening the e-mail from your favorite directional school. Or so it seems to me. I guess we have to wait and see how it all unfolds. I don’t know which QB you’re trying to recall that transferred from Michigan State to Iowa, but it was definitely not Kirk Cousins. Cousins redshirted in 2007. Backed up Hoyer in 2008, then was MSU’s starter for the next three seasons. Woops! I always thought he went to Iowa. Ok... so Cousins won the competition and Foles went to Az. Same point thought with a little egg on my face. |
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 6, 2024 23:53:53 GMT -5
Just because you have a potential 18 schollies to give doesn’t mean you’ll give them all out because your school can’t afford to give all 18. The schools you now see with 18+ players can now give those 18 players money. Which means that those schools that needed 18 players before to help pay for those 12 will end up with 30 players now because they still need those extra 12 players to help pay for the 18. I can see JV teams forming to keep those extra players interested. Am I reading you right? Are you saying that Florida has 20 players because they need 8 more students paying tuition to cover the scholarship bill for the first 12? And I read this as an 18 player roster cap, meaning the athletic department can have 18 volleyball players. If there were a way to stash 30 players on a volleyball program, I think the football coaches would be complaining less. If a D1 coach has to recruit 5 extra players per year to the club team, because it needs the tuition dollars, the school probably should not be opting into the new arrangement... unless I'm missing something. |
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Post by Not Me on Aug 7, 2024 15:46:49 GMT -5
The NCAA and member schools were hit with another class action lawsuit. This one from P5 athletes who were on a partial scholarships.
College sports really needs some help from congress, or these lawsuits will keep coming and eventually destroy college sports as we know them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2024 15:55:39 GMT -5
The NCAA and member schools were hit with another class action lawsuit. This one from P5 athletes who were on a partial scholarships. College sports really needs some help from congress, or these lawsuits will keep coming and eventually destroy college sports as we know them. Yep. That’s the only way college sports will be saved. |
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 22, 2024 16:38:55 GMT -5
So Ohio State is tiering sports... t.co/iDrWK75EFR"We'll still have scholarships, we'll still have programs," (OSU President Ted) Carter said. "Some of those sports may start to look and act a little bit more like a club sport, but yet compete at the Division I level and still travel and still compete."So if the richest department in the country is doing this, is the real question, who ISN'T going to be tiering their offerings? And if a school chooses to pull resources from volleyball for instance, should that team stay in the Big 10? Should Nebraska and Wisconsin and Penn State have to play 5-6 non or partially funded programs as part of their league schedule? |
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Post by jcvball22 on Aug 22, 2024 16:56:15 GMT -5
So Ohio State is tiering sports... t.co/iDrWK75EFR"We'll still have scholarships, we'll still have programs," (OSU President Ted) Carter said. "Some of those sports may start to look and act a little bit more like a club sport, but yet compete at the Division I level and still travel and still compete."So if the richest department in the country is doing this, is the real question, who ISN'T going to be tiering their offerings? And if a school chooses to pull resources from volleyball for instance, should that team stay in the Big 10? Should Nebraska and Wisconsin and Penn State have to play 5-6 non or partially funded programs as part of their league schedule? Ohio State Men’s Volleyball is currently sweating it out after that statement. It’s like “how can we already give our underfunded teams LESS money?” |
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Post by n00b on Aug 22, 2024 17:14:33 GMT -5
So Ohio State is tiering sports... t.co/iDrWK75EFR"We'll still have scholarships, we'll still have programs," (OSU President Ted) Carter said. "Some of those sports may start to look and act a little bit more like a club sport, but yet compete at the Division I level and still travel and still compete."So if the richest department in the country is doing this, is the real question, who ISN'T going to be tiering their offerings? And if a school chooses to pull resources from volleyball for instance, should that team stay in the Big 10? Should Nebraska and Wisconsin and Penn State have to play 5-6 non or partially funded programs as part of their league schedule? Title IX still exists. I’d be shocked to see a volleyball program’s resources slashed. But tOSU offers 33 sports. According to their EADA report (not always reliable, I know. But it’s the best we have) fencing has an operating budget of $343k, golf is nearly $500k, gymnastics is over $500k, ice hockey is over $2.3 mil, tennis and lacrosse is just under $1m each. Those are the sports that should be worried. |
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 17:37:18 GMT -5
Pedantic question of the day: Tier sports programs? or Prioritize sports programs? Why use the word 'tier' when 'prioritize' is required to explain what is meant by use of the word 'tier'?
Definition of Prioritize:
- Designate or treat (something) as more important than other things. As in "Prioritize the painful reductions in funding levels, program support, and achievement expectations, and call that 'sports program tiering' in order to be more oblique and less directly ominous about the end result."
- Or determine the order for dealing with (a series of items or tasks) according to their relative importance. As in "Prioritize which programs will be cut first and by what amount, to obsequiously meet the first tier needs of football and men's basketball."
Definition of Tier:
1. A row or level of a structure, typically one of a series of rows placed one above the other and successively receding or diminishing in size: "a tier of seats"; "the room was full of three-tier metal bunks".
- one of several successively overlapping ruffles or flounces on a garment: "a full skirt gathered into three tiers"
- a level or grade within the hierarchy of an organization or system: "companies have removed some management tiers to save money"; "crap flows down from upper tiers and settles into the lower tiers"
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Post by dodger on Aug 22, 2024 17:50:37 GMT -5
Pedantic question of the day: Tier sports programs? or Prioritize sports programs? Is nobl….. being a bit pedantic |
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Post by mplsgopher on Aug 22, 2024 19:52:56 GMT -5
Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan are the only Big Ten schools that do/will sponsor all 14 men's and all 14 women's Big Ten conference sports. Then Ohio State has 4 additional non-Big Ten men's varsity teams and 5 additional non-Big Ten women's varsity teams. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference#Sports |
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