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Post by servenpass311 on May 24, 2024 12:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by robonthemic on May 24, 2024 12:51:03 GMT -5
The guys on College Volleyball Weekly had said that the NCAA will go bankrupt within the next few years because of "...football schools developing their own conferences/leageus." Same goes with basketball schools. I'm not in full understanding of NCAA business, but this seems to be a serious blow to ALL Olympic sports. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 24, 2024 13:40:46 GMT -5
I don't think for a couple of years it changes much. MVB I think will be ok in it's own niche for 4-5 years.
1) Once the P4 schools set their rules to offer full schollies, then I think the landscape changes. Right now the Big West with public universities lower tuition, with 4.5 schollies, and low NIL competitionn they can compete well, virtually equal. Irvine, Beach, Hawaii and even SB, SD, NOrth can thrive.
2) With full schollies, those Big West schools will ahve a big funding hurdle. say 8 more schollies, is $320k a year or so. that's huge for the BIg West, a blimp for USC/UCLA/Ohio State and for the P4 schools, so what. That's more debt for Big West schools. Those 6 schools will have another advantage in talent
3) then the major change I predict. the 4 Big Ten schools will invite Stanford and BYU to join a Big Ten conference, that's all they need, 6 teams. pretty much equal funding footing. maybe they'd invite Harvard and Princeton for prestige. who knows. That conference will then dominate, kind of like water polo where every National Champion is from one league (UCLA,Cal, USC, Stan) every year and limited schools (boring!) and basically there's your future National Champions and Olympic wanna be players going to, it'll be super hard to compete with getting talent, albeit international players that Beach/Hawaii/Irvine gets they may but I think that league will get teh best internationals as well with 12-13 schollies plus NIL, plus whatever. It'll be a two-tiered system where maybe the Big West and MIVA teams can keep close for awhile, but it'll be real tough.
I think the major question for the mid-majors is what model will they compete in, what interest they can continue?, and can they actually grow interest as basically college minor leagues? A conference like the Big West won't try to compete, it can't, and what does effectively being 'D2' across all sports do to booster interest. Grand Canyon can pour money into sports differently than the Big West schools, what do they do?, just increase the allocation and say allocate $20 mil more a year to sports that the Cal States and mid-major UCs President's can't and won't do?
for me, I just don't understand the financials that drive this perpetual cost increases. THere's already pro football, what's the point of college being minor league football? There's alread pro basketball, I'll watch the NBA if I want to see pros, I watch Beach basketball because of identity and fairly high level, but even next year a team that was going to return 4 players that went to the NCAA got scattered to the wind. At what point does a fan / booster want to continue interest (& money) for a perpetual reload?
for me, I don't understand football and basketball models of 64 'pro' teams being attractive and interest that can perpetually increase money, but maybe it will. I suspect there are and will be no sound financial models except for 10-20 universities ultimately, but I do suspect there will be some organization changes in non P4, just it's hard to see how the non-P4 can 'unify' when you have probably 50-100 of those wanting to be part of the top tier and living with 'table scraps of rules' handed down to them from the P4. The NCAA looking out for the non-P4? you got to be kidding me. Gonzaga, Villanova, Creighton, Connecticut? non-football wise they are wildly sucessful with a couple niches, so what happens to them?
maybe it's good, maybe Olympic sports (or any sport) should really be club and non University based anyway. I can't imagine it will be good for 80% of athletes who go roaming in the portal and don't ever develop continuity in their lives at that stage of life, nomadic development IMO, each year an athletic blimp, as they go from juniors club to 3 different universities over 5 years. who knows. maybe that's not a big deal. or the 9 th guy getting a full ride, and a nice P4 degree, but rides the pine, when they could have been starting elsewhere. maybe overall it increases fans to have 50-60 big boys. just glad I won't be one of those contributing to those coffers. not my problem.
if I were king, I'd have all non P4 schools in MVB get together (exclude UCLA, BYU, Stanford, Ohio State, Penn State, USC) be proactive and go form their own MVB division, lol, and kick those guys out, exclude them from playing anybody. let them have a 6 team sport, just screw them, and let them call their champion whatever they want. they can play each other 5 or six times. that won't happen of course. don't bother with them, they aren't worth the time or money going forward, they'll just order you around anyway.
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Post by ringo on May 25, 2024 11:28:37 GMT -5
Is there a planned change to allow more than 4.5 scholarships per team for MVB?
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Post by akbar on May 25, 2024 12:17:41 GMT -5
Is there a planned change to allow more than 4.5 scholarships per team for MVB? In our dreams yes |
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Post by netsetter on May 25, 2024 12:49:17 GMT -5
Is there a planned change to allow more than 4.5 scholarships per team for MVB? That can probably only happen if football is no longer a part of the NCAA. |
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Post by gofria on May 25, 2024 17:38:57 GMT -5
Me think that football and basketball should go the route of baseball and have (developmental) minor leagues for those who want to get paid to play. I know the NBA has the G League, but in baseball there's A, AA and AAA leagues.
Seems the education that will pay off log after their playing years are over is just a secondary thought to some of those athletes.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 28, 2024 16:15:41 GMT -5
Me think that football and basketball should go the route of baseball and have (developmental) minor leagues for those who want to get paid to play. I know the NBA has the G League, but in baseball there's A, AA and AAA leagues. Seems the education that will pay off log after their playing years are over is just a secondary thought to some of those athletes. why would football and basketball go the route of baseball? football (NFL) gets it all for free basically. maybe they'll have to wait some more, if a 19 year old can make $500k to $2mil for a couple years playing college instead of the brutal NFL same for baskeball. why go D league, when you can get way more money playing college come to think of it, why not have Alabama & Ohio State join the NFL, there's no NFL franchise in those cities, lol. and now they'll have pro athletes anyway could have the AFC, NFC, SEC, & B1G lol!! just require the SEC and B1G to have their players take 1 extension class every 6 months |
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Post by scubastevie on May 29, 2024 7:49:27 GMT -5
A couple points to clarify:
In this settlement, the NCAA has a agreed to damages of $2.78 billion dollars to be paid over 10 years. That is for academic related expenses, NIL, and scholarship restrictions dating back to 2016-2018 somewhere in there.
This equals $280 million annually over those 10 years.
NCAA will pay approximately $1.2 billion of this, and the remaining responsibility will fall on the Division 1 conferences to be distributed from FBS, FCS and non-football conferences at varying responsibilities.
This plus an estimated $1-1.5 billion dollar revenue share or 22% of profits in perpetuity.
All of that to say, I would look at Olympic sports, and men's volleyball, as an easy revenue recoup for some of those big schools... Penn State, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, etc..
Schools will have to find ways to pay their athletes and their boards will still want to make the money they were making before they had to share revenue. I think this ruling, though just and the right thing to do, marks a dark day for men's volleyball and other olympic sports. Hopefully, I am completely wrong about this.
I think the schools that will survive are the smaller schools with no football... Mason, Loyola, and the D2s.
Thought I would throw my 2 cents in.
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Post by gofria on May 29, 2024 21:20:16 GMT -5
Me think that football and basketball should go the route of baseball and have (developmental) minor leagues for those who want to get paid to play. I know the NBA has the G League, but in baseball there's A, AA and AAA leagues. Seems the education that will pay off log after their playing years are over is just a secondary thought to some of those athletes. why would football and basketball go the route of baseball? football (NFL) gets it all for free basically. maybe they'll have to wait some more, if a 19 year old can make $500k to $2mil for a couple years playing college instead of the brutal NFL same for baskeball. why go D league, when you can get way more money playing college come to think of it, why not have Alabama & Ohio State join the NFL, there's no NFL franchise in those cities, lol. and now they'll have pro athletes anyway could have the AFC, NFC, SEC, & B1G lol!! just require the SEC and B1G to have their players take 1 extension class every 6 months I think you're catching my drift.  |
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Post by florfresh on May 30, 2024 15:22:23 GMT -5
I see reduced roster sizes and fewer incoming recruits to reduce future potential overhead. Some D1 players pushed to D2 programs and settlement will stunt the growth of men’s volleyball until football and basketball get separated out.
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