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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Jun 17, 2024 13:41:31 GMT -5
Just got back from LA. Even though the event was in LA, it was a significant improvement on some of the issues we had back in January. Officiating seemed to be better across the board, parking, vendors, etc.
This was our first year sending teams twice so definitely nice.
Is the The Showcase usually the best of the big events or is it the Open in January? Starting to work on next year's schedule.
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Post by stelsonvb on Jun 17, 2024 13:57:57 GMT -5
I saw more college coaches at the Open Championship than the Showcase, but the play was better at the Showcase. The jump in 15s and 16s play was easy to see among the open teams due to the HS season, and the club levels also saw the floor of play come up quite a bit.
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Post by socalvolleydad on Jun 17, 2024 14:43:42 GMT -5
I thought this event was great. Level of play across the Open divisions was really high, good representation from non CA teams in the Gold brackets, reffing was MUCH better than at the Championship, and as stated above, parking and logistics issues seemed mostly resolved.
According to SoCalCup's website, 18 colleges were represented at the Championship and 32 were represented at the Showcase. My personal observation was that, on Saturday and Sunday, the Open 16s and 17s games were swarming with college logos... I am sure it had something to do with the June 15 recruiting opening date.
On to Florida! Can't wait for humidity and all that healthy food (I am such a Californian ;-)).
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Post by yoyosussy on Jun 17, 2024 14:57:05 GMT -5
Interesting in 17s that an unbeaten balboa bay lost to Hva in the quarters.
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Post by socalvolleydad on Jun 17, 2024 15:25:51 GMT -5
Just did a quick count, 9 of the 21 Gold & Silver teams were non-CA teams in the 16 Open division.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 16:20:57 GMT -5
Just did a quick count, 9 of the 21 Gold & Silver teams were non-CA teams in the 16 Open division. 6 out of 8 quarterfinal teams in 16 Open were from California, 11 out of 14 in gold Championship was 949 vs Coast, C2 & MKE Sting with the participation bronzes Only non California team to make a championship match in any Open division (2nd place) was in 14 Open California reigns supreme once again |
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Post by gofaster88 on Jun 17, 2024 16:49:46 GMT -5
I saw more college coaches at the Open Championship than the Showcase, but the play was better at the Showcase. The jump in 15s and 16s play was easy to see among the open teams due to the HS season, and the club levels also saw the floor of play come up quite a bit. Winter Formal has more coaches than the Open or Showcase. Simple reason being the college season hasn't started yet. The reason why there are less at the Showcase would be AAU is right around the corner and if you are going to spend the money why not on the one with all the teams. |
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Post by wilbur on Jun 17, 2024 17:12:03 GMT -5
Interesting in 17s that an unbeaten balboa bay lost to Hva in the quarters. it was close and HVA was playing good volleyball. BB was missing their L on Sunday only, who at least according to college recruiting coaches, is their best player. BB backup L is really good but they use him as a 3 position back row sub typically and it seem to make a difference. |
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Post by sixpak on Jun 17, 2024 18:15:19 GMT -5
Interesting in 17s that an unbeaten balboa bay lost to Hva in the quarters. Barely. There wasn't much between the top 6 teams in 17 Open. A couple lucky plays here and there, and any one of them is capable of winning the tournament. I think nationals is basically a coin flip between them. |
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Post by coy on Jun 18, 2024 9:04:21 GMT -5
Just did a quick count, 9 of the 21 Gold & Silver teams were non-CA teams in the 16 Open division. 6 out of 8 quarterfinal teams in 16 Open were from California, 11 out of 14 in gold Championship was 949 vs Coast, C2 & MKE Sting with the participation bronzes Only non California team to make a championship match in any Open division (2nd place) was in 14 Open California reigns supreme once again No sh!t. What percentage of the teams in the tournament were from California? I'd sure hope they'd reign supreme in a field where they have 95% of the teams competing in it. CA is the epicenter of volleyball in the USA, for many reasons. But it's growing fast throughout the country, and that's a great thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 9:16:56 GMT -5
6 out of 8 quarterfinal teams in 16 Open were from California, 11 out of 14 in gold Championship was 949 vs Coast, C2 & MKE Sting with the participation bronzes Only non California team to make a championship match in any Open division (2nd place) was in 14 Open California reigns supreme once again No sh!t. What percentage of the teams in the tournament were from California? I'd sure hope they'd reign supreme in a field where they have 95% of the teams competing in it. Chicago this season- 18 Open - Surf over Pulse 17 Open - Balboa over Adversity (who just came to California and crapped out in the play-in) 16 Open - Coast over Rockstar 15 Open - Rockstar over B2B Doesn’t seem to matter where we go |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Jun 18, 2024 9:25:56 GMT -5
No sh!t. What percentage of the teams in the tournament were from California? I'd sure hope they'd reign supreme in a field where they have 95% of the teams competing in it. Chicago this season- 18 Open - Surf over Pulse 17 Open - Balboa over Adversity (who just came to California and crapped out in the play-in) 16 Open - Coast over Rockstar 15 Open - Rockstar over B2B Doesn’t seem to matter where we go 15 Open did not have the defending AAU National Champion at the event (HPSTL) and C2 15s were very short handed. They have a roster of 10 usually and saw 8 on their bench at one point this weekend. The final four of the Chi-Town in 15 Open was 2 from MW and 2 from Cali which if you look the scores were more competitive in the semis than they were in your Cali vs Cali championship. In 16 open, 3 of the 8 quarter finals were from outside of California. 17 Open 3 of the 8 were Midwest and two of the four in the final four were Midwest. Could have had a similar result at the Showcase too but Sting knocked out Academy. 18 Open has really been the only division where the Midwest hardly touches the top eight of these events. Yes you can say that California programs are winning these events still but they are not running circles and dominating them like they used to. Midwest and other areas are starting to bring some quality teams that make the events interesting. I think what the previous poster was saying is that California is being chased, and teams are catching them. Nationals blew up last year and a lot of midwest teams had great finishes. It could happen again. |
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Post by gtrich on Jun 18, 2024 13:05:49 GMT -5
One of the things that made 18O interesting last weekend was the USAV U21 tournament running at the same time. I think MB Surf was down a couple of key players and so was Balboa Bay. If you look at the scores from the entire tournament, there were a lot of 3 set matches that could have gone either way.
We had a different experience on the reffing side. Our refs were terrible all weekend, and then you had the normal line judge issues where the kids are staring at everything other than the court. I lost count of the number of missed foot faults. What made it worse was R1's that would call a foot fault, call the kid over to say "hey, pay attention", the kid would come back with "I was watching, they didn't foot fault" and then the R1 would over-rule themselves and take the word of the kid that was literally staring at the ceiling and missed the entire play. I also saw way too many "I don't know" calls from line judges and missed antenna calls from kids that weren't paying any attention to the game they were supposed to be working. To be honest, I'd almost prefer to have a bunch of 12 year old kids doing the lines over the 17's and 18's we have been getting. The younger kids seem to take it a little more seriously than the older kids that are on their phones or trying to talk to people in the stands.
My only other complaint is that event organizers need to put a 1.5 hour break between the AM and PM waves to handle the morning games that run long. Then they need to allocate 1.5 hours to the games on the last day. We had a 1PM game on Sunday that didn't start until 2:30PM. Then, the 2PM game on that court was delayed till 3:45PM because we were waiting on our opponent to finish their 1PM game on a different court. It also didn't help that our R1 from the first game took all paperwork from the table along with the court number and walked off. So when our opponent got to the court at 3:30, we spent another 15 minutes waiting for the championship desk to send us another R1. Because it started so late, the first team we played on Sunday only had 6 players. Two of our players missed the 1st game because of their flights, and we and lost a third player after set 1 of our second game because they had to leave for the airport as well. We finished our last game at 4:45PM and had it gone to 3, I don't know if we would have had enough players to finish because most of the rest of the team had 6-7PM flights out of LAX.
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Post by flyindutchie on Jun 18, 2024 14:35:50 GMT -5
17 Open final four were HVA vs Bay to Bay and Rockstar vs MB Surf. Socal, NorCal and Texas.
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 19, 2024 0:10:25 GMT -5
One of the things that made 18O interesting last weekend was the USAV U21 tournament running at the same time. I think MB Surf was down a couple of key players and so was Balboa Bay. If you look at the scores from the entire tournament, there were a lot of 3 set matches that could have gone either way. We had a different experience on the reffing side. Our refs were terrible all weekend, and then you had the normal line judge issues where the kids are staring at everything other than the court. I lost count of the number of missed foot faults. What made it worse was R1's that would call a foot fault, call the kid over to say "hey, pay attention", the kid would come back with "I was watching, they didn't foot fault" and then the R1 would over-rule themselves and take the word of the kid that was literally staring at the ceiling and missed the entire play. I also saw way too many "I don't know" calls from line judges and missed antenna calls from kids that weren't paying any attention to the game they were supposed to be working. To be honest, I'd almost prefer to have a bunch of 12 year old kids doing the lines over the 17's and 18's we have been getting. The younger kids seem to take it a little more seriously than the older kids that are on their phones or trying to talk to people in the stands. My only other complaint is that event organizers need to put a 1.5 hour break between the AM and PM waves to handle the morning games that run long. Then they need to allocate 1.5 hours to the games on the last day. We had a 1PM game on Sunday that didn't start until 2:30PM. Then, the 2PM game on that court was delayed till 3:45PM because we were waiting on our opponent to finish their 1PM game on a different court. It also didn't help that our R1 from the first game took all paperwork from the table along with the court number and walked off. So when our opponent got to the court at 3:30, we spent another 15 minutes waiting for the championship desk to send us another R1. Because it started so late, the first team we played on Sunday only had 6 players. Two of our players missed the 1st game because of their flights, and we and lost a third player after set 1 of our second game because they had to leave for the airport as well. We finished our last game at 4:45PM and had it gone to 3, I don't know if we would have had enough players to finish because most of the rest of the team had 6-7PM flights out of LAX. Your first paragraph is kind of an “it is what it is” type of deal because regardless of how a call negatively/positively affects you, there are hundreds if not thousands of calls that could or could not go your way in the sport and I think lot of reffing opinions have to be just chalked up to being lucky/unlucky and having the bulk of what scores you your points being your team’s own gameplay. The second paragraph is incredibly valid and hopefully it’s something that is looked at by the committee that puts the tournament on but i truly think it was a very well done tournament overall. |
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