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Post by akbar on Jul 24, 2024 19:42:33 GMT -5
5 games in 10 days is a lot better than VNL schedules. If they want to absolutely not do 2 pools of 6, then do 4 pools of 3. Let everyone make the knockouts. Pool winners get byes. But the whole “two best third-placed teams” is just not a good idea with such limited matches against different competition. agreed. in terms of physically taxing tournaments, the OG are near the bottom of that list. LA needs to bring back the 2 pools and all the chaos and fun they bring. Why? Don’t you want the best volleyball that teams can bring every match? Rest and recovery and preparation is crucial to Olympic performance in every sport. Physically taxing element is such a low element of need imo. Every team is good this year and you better bring your A game. THAT will hit the mentally and physically taxing mark for me. Grinding players and teams down is not fun and counterintuitive to crowning Olympic medals. Very very few fans and I can safely tell you no players and coaches like the VNL format and schedule and it most certainly is physically taxing but really doesn’t provide the best product. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 24, 2024 20:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2024 21:09:51 GMT -5
agreed. in terms of physically taxing tournaments, the OG are near the bottom of that list. LA needs to bring back the 2 pools and all the chaos and fun they bring. Why? Don’t you want the best volleyball that teams can bring every match? Rest and recovery and preparation is crucial to Olympic performance in every sport. Physically taxing element is such a low element of need imo. Every team is good this year and you better bring your A game. THAT will hit the mentally and physically taxing mark for me. Grinding players and teams down is not fun and counterintuitive to crowning Olympic medals. Very very few fans and I can safely tell you no players and coaches like the VNL format and schedule and it most certainly is physically taxing but really doesn’t provide the best product. You’re comparing the old Olympic format to the VNL, which doesn’t make sense. In the VNL you often play 2-3 matches in 3 days. In the Olympics you NEVER play back to back. Like I said, its unlikely, but not impossible that one loss eliminates you from the Olympics. Thats dumb. |
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Post by akbar on Jul 25, 2024 6:10:39 GMT -5
Why? Don’t you want the best volleyball that teams can bring every match? Rest and recovery and preparation is crucial to Olympic performance in every sport. Physically taxing element is such a low element of need imo. Every team is good this year and you better bring your A game. THAT will hit the mentally and physically taxing mark for me. Grinding players and teams down is not fun and counterintuitive to crowning Olympic medals. Very very few fans and I can safely tell you no players and coaches like the VNL format and schedule and it most certainly is physically taxing but really doesn’t provide the best product. You’re comparing the old Olympic format to the VNL, which doesn’t make sense. In the VNL you often play 2-3 matches in 3 days. In the Olympics you NEVER play back to back. Like I said, its unlikely, but not impossible that one loss eliminates you from the Olympics. Thats dumb. Eh… more reacting to the statements that “taxing the players ability to grind “ makes a tourney better. The chances that a team goes 2-1 and gets eliminated is so remote. You have to hit it running and bring A game every match Pools of 4 has the element of the importance of hitting the ground running but with the element of recovery if a loss happens.. Pools of 3 would be unforgiving and the possibility of all teams in 3 team pools going 1-1 is quite high. What then? I suspicion or hope is that we will look back on this format as the best and truest format for 12 teams. |
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Post by midnightblue on Jul 25, 2024 9:00:23 GMT -5
You’re comparing the old Olympic format to the VNL, which doesn’t make sense. In the VNL you often play 2-3 matches in 3 days. In the Olympics you NEVER play back to back. Like I said, its unlikely, but not impossible that one loss eliminates you from the Olympics. Thats dumb. Eh… more reacting to the statements that “taxing the players ability to grind “ makes a tourney better. The chances that a team goes 2-1 and gets eliminated is so remote. You have to hit it running and bring A game every match Pools of 4 has the element of the importance of hitting the ground running but with the element of recovery if a loss happens.. Pools of 3 would be unforgiving and the possibility of all teams in 3 team pools going 1-1 is quite high. What then? I suspicion or hope is that we will look back on this format as the best and truest format for 12 teams. for whatever reason you are understanding what I wrote to mean I want to make the tournament more physically taxing, when I simply made the factual observation that the OGs were never physically taxing in the first place, thus there's no reason to play less volleyball as they will in Paris. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 25, 2024 9:27:48 GMT -5
Pools of 3 would be unforgiving and the possibility of all teams in 3 team pools going 1-1 is quite high. What then? I suspicion or hope is that we will look back on this format as the best and truest format for 12 teams. In my pool of 3 proposal (only as an alternative to pool of 4), every team made the knockouts. So, what’s your question again? This is not the best format. It’s not fair to compare third placed teams against uneven pools, when you see someone getting Kenya and another getting France on the women’s side. |
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Post by akbar on Jul 25, 2024 9:47:38 GMT -5
Pools of 3 would be unforgiving and the possibility of all teams in 3 team pools going 1-1 is quite high. What then? I suspicion or hope is that we will look back on this format as the best and truest format for 12 teams. In my pool of 3 proposal (only as an alternative to pool of 4), every team made the knockouts. So, what’s your question again? This is not the best format. It’s not fair to compare third placed teams against uneven pools, when you see someone getting Kenya and another getting France on the women’s side. Ah well I wasn’t really thinking about the women’s tourney as they are not nearly as deep as the men’s tourney. Pools of 3 with everyone advancing would be indeed chaotic especially with multiple pools possibly going 1-1 . You could have legit medal contenders playing each other in the first round and that would stink. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 25, 2024 9:54:06 GMT -5
In my pool of 3 proposal (only as an alternative to pool of 4), every team made the knockouts. So, what’s your question again? This is not the best format. It’s not fair to compare third placed teams against uneven pools, when you see someone getting Kenya and another getting France on the women’s side. Ah well I wasn’t really thinking about the women’s tourney as they are not nearly as deep as the men’s tourney. Pools of 3 with everyone advancing would be indeed chaotic especially with multiple pools possibly going 1-1 . You could have legit medal contenders playing each other in the first round and that would stink. that could happen in this format too. if the 3rd place from pool B advances, there's a 66% chance they're drawn with France or whichever is top of Poland/Italy/Brazil in the QFs. (*** chance because we dont know how the seedings will end up. its not a random draw) |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 25, 2024 9:57:44 GMT -5
In my pool of 3 proposal (only as an alternative to pool of 4), every team made the knockouts. So, what’s your question again? This is not the best format. It’s not fair to compare third placed teams against uneven pools, when you see someone getting Kenya and another getting France on the women’s side. Ah well I wasn’t really thinking about the women’s tourney as they are not nearly as deep as the men’s tourney. Pools of 3 with everyone advancing would be indeed chaotic especially with multiple pools possibly going 1-1 . You could have legit medal contenders playing each other in the first round and that would stink. Serbia winning pool A and drawing USA in the QFs is very possible on the women’s side. You can match up against your own pool in the QFs in this format. |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 25, 2024 10:03:12 GMT -5
Hearing that poland won’t attend opening ceremony. Is there any team in the world with more pressure than them? Based on this year, I wouldn’t say it’s gold or bust given how insane the field is but it’s going to be so interesting to see how they navigate this.
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Post by manyshaped on Jul 25, 2024 10:11:02 GMT -5
Hearing that poland won’t attend opening ceremony. Is there any team in the world with more pressure than them? Based on this year, I wouldn’t say it’s gold or bust given how insane the field is but it’s going to be so interesting to see how they navigate this. on the womens side italy, but i wonder if that's self-inflicted. do you think usa mens has pressure since they didn't do so well in tokyo and this is their last rodeo, so to speak? |
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Post by blue10 on Jul 25, 2024 10:14:38 GMT -5
Hearing that poland won’t attend opening ceremony. Is there any team in the world with more pressure than them? Based on this year, I wouldn’t say it’s gold or bust given how insane the field is but it’s going to be so interesting to see how they navigate this. on the womens side italy, but i wonder if that's self-inflicted. do you think usa mens has pressure since they didn't do so well in tokyo and this is their last rodeo, so to speak? I’m sure Serbia feels pressure to get the only missing gold from their history and complete their medal set before Maja and others retire |
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Post by manyshaped on Jul 25, 2024 10:26:40 GMT -5
on the womens side italy, but i wonder if that's self-inflicted. do you think usa mens has pressure since they didn't do so well in tokyo and this is their last rodeo, so to speak? I’m sure Serbia feels pressure to get the only missing gold from their history and complete their medal set before Maja and others retire they've won vnl/grand prix world cup gold before? |
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Post by blue10 on Jul 25, 2024 10:32:41 GMT -5
I’m sure Serbia feels pressure to get the only missing gold from their history and complete their medal set before Maja and others retire they've won vnl/grand prix world cup gold before? oh no lol but like they have never tried and like in 2018 or 2022 they surely could have like when they won bronze and then wrecked everyone at the wc right after with the full team |
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Post by manyshaped on Jul 25, 2024 10:36:00 GMT -5
they've won vnl/grand prix world cup gold before? oh no lol but like they have never tried and like in 2018 or 2022 they surely could have like when they won bronze and then wrecked everyone at the wc right after with the full team i'm surprised tbh. can't believe sylvia nwakalor won a vnl gold before tijana  |
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