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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 29, 2024 23:37:02 GMT -5
just mind-boggling the number changes for baseball.
man, would seem to be a good time to be a Southern Calif baseball players, not more partial schollie scrounging
all these limits, some seem crazy. 14 for Tennis?! really, maybe up to 8 players even play regularly, just crazy.
the choices players will have to make, and so hard to see how this does not degrade non-P4 rosters in sports where they may be losing at least a couple key contributors to the lure of P4 full schollies even if not the same prospect of playing time.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 30, 2024 10:04:13 GMT -5
Interesting point they made about the Big 10 having baseball teams that weren't fully funded at 11.7. So while you look at this and say hey Baseball will have 34 scholarships, even at that level it seems like some are going to go under the max and use walk-ons.
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Post by sparty1855el on Jul 30, 2024 10:14:50 GMT -5
The tweet says 18 scholarships. Jeepers that’s not the rule. New rule is 18 rosters spots. Not one more. Also, no longer a head count so you can divide scholarships up amongst the 18 rostered athletes. TBD on how many scholarships schools will actually have. Money doesn’t grow on trees, unless your Texas /nebraska. FYI. I tried to plant that tree. Didn’t make it through the night. I think the number of programs that will be fully funded with scholarships in any non-football/basketball sport will be incredibly small.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 30, 2024 10:52:54 GMT -5
So if the max roster size is 18, does that mean schools that have more need to make cuts? What about girls in 2025 or 2026 who have accepted verbal offers? If those offers put the team over 18 players when they become freshman then what? If they are participating in revenue sharing. Figure that’s limited to the 70 power 4 teams.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 30, 2024 11:14:55 GMT -5
So if the max roster size is 18, does that mean schools that have more need to make cuts? What about girls in 2025 or 2026 who have accepted verbal offers? If those offers put the team over 18 players when they become freshman then what? If they are participating in revenue sharing. Figure that’s limited to the 70 power 4 teams. Possibly a few more. Reports that the G5 football team schools that should be serious contenders for the G5 football playoff spot may opt-in. One school I've seen mentioned is South Florida. Also speculation on schools like Liberty and Boise State. Also expectations that a few of the Big East schools that are basketball powers but don't play football will opt-in.
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Post by haterade on Jul 30, 2024 11:17:43 GMT -5
Interesting point they made about the Big 10 having baseball teams that weren't fully funded at 11.7. So while you look at this and say hey Baseball will have 34 scholarships, even at that level it seems like some are going to go under the max and use walk-ons. And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking.
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Post by n00b on Jul 30, 2024 11:43:24 GMT -5
Interesting point they made about the Big 10 having baseball teams that weren't fully funded at 11.7. So while you look at this and say hey Baseball will have 34 scholarships, even at that level it seems like some are going to go under the max and use walk-ons. And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. You think there were a significant number of baseball players choosing Coastal Carolina over Tennessee for a bigger scholarship? Tennessee and A&M will both have their roster sizes decrease. That’s more people for mid majors to add.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 30, 2024 11:45:46 GMT -5
Interesting point they made about the Big 10 having baseball teams that weren't fully funded at 11.7. So while you look at this and say hey Baseball will have 34 scholarships, even at that level it seems like some are going to go under the max and use walk-ons. And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. I think I expect more volleyball teams to fully fund that you seem to imply. It's not a huge jump from 12 to 18, plus it's a high profile sport. Also several women's sports will need to be fully funded, or close to it, for Title IX purposes. I expect most SEC baseball teams to be fully funded. Baseball is even more competitive than football in the SEC and a number of schools with great fan support. IMO using baseball in the Big 10 as an example was a bit misleading as baseball is not a well supported sport in the Big 10.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 30, 2024 11:48:25 GMT -5
And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. You think there were a significant number of baseball players choosing Coastal Carolina over Tennessee for a bigger scholarship? Tennessee and A&M will both have their roster sizes decrease. That’s more people for mid majors to add. Baseball has a in-season roster limit today of 35 so there won't be many available players.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 30, 2024 12:53:45 GMT -5
And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. I think I expect more volleyball teams to fully fund that you seem to imply. It's not a huge jump from 12 to 18, plus it's a high profile sport. Also several women's sports will need to be fully funded, or close to it, for Title IX purposes. I expect most SEC baseball teams to be fully funded. Baseball is even more competitive than football in the SEC and a number of schools with great fan support. IMO using baseball in the Big 10 as an example was a bit misleading as baseball is not a well supported sport in the Big 10. If you listen to the podcast, they used the big 10 as an example in baseball. for just that reason.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 30, 2024 13:00:16 GMT -5
If they are participating in revenue sharing. Figure that’s limited to the 70 power 4 teams. Possibly a few more. Reports that the G5 football team schools that should be serious contenders for the G5 football playoff spot may opt-in. One school I've seen mentioned is South Florida. Also speculation on schools like Liberty and Boise State. Also expectations that a few of the Big East schools that are basketball powers but don't play football will opt-in. Yeah, I guess that’s the question. How many more schools go the revenue sharing route. How much money can they generate to give away to players. If a few G5 teams do it, their playoff spot might come down to only a couple of contenders each year. For the Big East, I’m sure UConn and Villanova can get some money for the basketball teams, but what about the other teams? They do have football. It’s going to be an interesting year as schools figure out what they will do. Lots of meetings going on at those schools.
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Post by haterade on Jul 30, 2024 13:30:56 GMT -5
And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. You think there were a significant number of baseball players choosing Coastal Carolina over Tennessee for a bigger scholarship? Tennessee and A&M will both have their roster sizes decrease. That’s more people for mid majors to add. I think being the backup catcher at Tennessee on a full ride would sound better to most than the starter at Coastal Caroline or Missouri on a 1/2 scholarship. I foresee top level recruits still wanting to go somewhere they will play but the next tier down will likely have the choice between playing time and scholarship $. I presume money will win out. My larger point is the quality of depth at programs that choose to fully fund all available roster spot will decrease the outcome variability and we will see a higher correlation between program budget and results. How title IX and revenue sharing come into a male sport like baseball, I don't know. Cynically, I expect schools to 'emphasize' a small handful of non-revenue sports and cut others. Does Tennessee Men's Tennis team get the axe so baseball is more competitive? How many sports can a given institution go all-in on and stay compliant? For Volleyball, I think it comes down to where you are as a program. If you're trying to build a program, I could see have five middles on the roster and seeing who works. If you're an established program, I could also see not filling up and having to find reps for a 5th middle over your top 4.
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Post by haterade on Jul 30, 2024 13:39:52 GMT -5
And SEC schools like A&M and Tennessee going all in with 34. The gulf between the baseball have and have nots could grow even larger than it is now. I don't expect volleyball to be the same given the limited playing opportunities, relatively speaking. I think I expect more volleyball teams to fully fund that you seem to imply. It's not a huge jump from 12 to 18, plus it's a high profile sport. Also several women's sports will need to be fully funded, or close to it, for Title IX purposes. I expect most SEC baseball teams to be fully funded. Baseball is even more competitive than football in the SEC and a number of schools with great fan support. IMO using baseball in the Big 10 as an example was a bit misleading as baseball is not a well supported sport in the Big 10. I'm very curious how they will handle volleyball programs that don't want to deal with 18 bodies in the locker room, on the charter, and in the practice gym. Will compliance and the revenue sharing require those go used by someone? Can Cook take 15 and let... soccer have three more?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 30, 2024 13:58:51 GMT -5
For the Big East, I’m sure UConn and Villanova can get some money for the basketball teams, but what about the other teams? They do have football. The Big East will have five or six taking the money part very seriously, I think. Villanova, UConn, Marquette, Xavier, and Georgetown. Nova, UConn, and Xavier were allegedly the top three in NIL the last couple years and then a gap to Marquette and the rest.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jul 30, 2024 15:32:49 GMT -5
You think there were a significant number of baseball players choosing Coastal Carolina over Tennessee for a bigger scholarship? Tennessee and A&M will both have their roster sizes decrease. That’s more people for mid majors to add. I think being the backup catcher at Tennessee on a full ride would sound better to most than the starter at Coastal Caroline or Missouri on a 1/2 scholarship. I foresee top level recruits still wanting to go somewhere they will play but the next tier down will likely have the choice between playing time and scholarship $. I presume money will win out. My larger point is the quality of depth at programs that choose to fully fund all available roster spot will decrease the outcome variability and we will see a higher correlation between program budget and results. How title IX and revenue sharing come into a male sport like baseball, I don't know. Cynically, I expect schools to 'emphasize' a small handful of non-revenue sports and cut others. Does Tennessee Men's Tennis team get the axe so baseball is more competitive? How many sports can a given institution go all-in on and stay compliant? For Volleyball, I think it comes down to where you are as a program. If you're trying to build a program, I could see have five middles on the roster and seeing who works. If you're an established program, I could also see not filling up and having to find reps for a 5th middle over your top 4. I don’t think your are being cynical. It’s clear that raising scholarship limits will cause some schools to cut some sports due to the need to spend more in every sport to stay competitive.
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