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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 26, 2024 8:24:07 GMT -5
When is this set to be apart of the rules? This upcoming season already or 2025+? For 2025-2026
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 26, 2024 8:31:03 GMT -5
So, am I wrong in thinking there is no way those schools will all of a sudden offer 105 scholarships to football? Will they just let the sport die if they were forced to do so? Might fall the same way for Men's Volleyball at schools like Harvard and Princeton if they are to give scholarships. There's nothing in the settlement that requires schools to offer scholarships. And there's zero chance the Ivy League suddenly changes their entire thought process and starts handing out money.
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Post by sluggermatt15 on Jul 26, 2024 9:11:33 GMT -5
I guess this is similar to the football scholarship increase from 85 to 105?
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Post by n00b on Jul 26, 2024 9:13:26 GMT -5
I guess this is similar to the football scholarship increase from 85 to 105? It’s the removal of scholarship limits and implementation of roster size limits. But yes.
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Post by n00b on Jul 26, 2024 9:20:01 GMT -5
This only even makes sense if, you know, there's actually revenue to share in the first place. Outside the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12, I don't think any other DI conference has a revenue source -- that means a TV deal -- that will result in a significant payment to players. Depends who gets what, of course. Are Big East teams just going to pay men's basketball players? Revenue included in the formula includes media rights, as well as ticket sales and sponsorships but not donations...and I'm not sure about logo licensing or book store jersey sales. Donations are not included, and private capital deals, and between those two, that's where most of money that goes to athletes is actually coming from. But if you look at Siena College in the MAAC with 15,000 seats and Louisiana Lafayette in the Sun Belt with 13,500 seats, there is incentive to find money for basketball to maximize ticket and sponsor revenue. And not that that wasn't true before but the field may be a little more slanted now than it previously was. There's about 25 schools with basketball capacity of under 2000, all in small conferences with small distributions. Other than donors, maybe they go to student fees? IDK how they make it or if they really should be staying in D1. I guess it depends on who you think “should” be D1. MAAC schools are already in a completely different world than the ACC. I don’t think this changes that gap measurably.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 26, 2024 9:20:58 GMT -5
When is this set to be apart of the rules? This upcoming season already or 2025+? For 2025-2026 Do you know the specific date? Like June 2025, in time for summer classes? Or not until August 2025?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 26, 2024 10:00:41 GMT -5
Do you know the specific date? Like June 2025, in time for summer classes? Or not until August 2025? I believe the NCAA legislative year starts July 1, but I could be wrong about that.
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Post by bborr on Jul 26, 2024 10:01:14 GMT -5
Do you know the specific date? Like June 2025, in time for summer classes? Or not until August 2025? some reports say the roster limit will be effective (measured) at the “competitive start” of the relevant season.
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Post by fightingminime on Jul 26, 2024 10:46:33 GMT -5
There is no way this is going to happen unilaterally for a D1 programs. I can't imagine the Ivy's even with their endowments are all of a sudden start offering 105 scholarships for their football team. When in the past they offered zero athletic scholarships. I went to Harvard, and I can say with certainty that the alumni and administration don't really care about football. They do care about crew and ice hockey, and maybe field hockey as well. Technically, Harvard doesn't offer athletic scholarships, but I always found it interesting how they managed to get some of the best rowers on their crew teams every year. I would bet that a lot of those crew athletes somehow manage to obtain "need" based scholarships or something like it. Or ... if you have the money for crew as a sport ... which I would take a gander has a more affluent athlete base .. you are probably more comfortable with Harvard both by reputation and cost.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 26, 2024 13:31:19 GMT -5
Transfer portal will grow even more when those extra scholaship players never see the court for two years at most and leave. You eventually land at the level you are with some exceptions (desire for a specific school vs playing all the time, family, major etc). I am all about kids getting paid something, but this isnt sustainable. I hope we are ready for 40 schools being the HAVES and the rest HAVE NOT's and or comeplte division system in D1 even which may sound good for some (the 40) but not for others
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Post by notvballdad on Jul 26, 2024 13:42:31 GMT -5
My question is about the duration and guarantee of scholarships. I'm assuming this just stays the same where an undergrad scholarship is verbally awarded for a certain number of years, and now a certain percentage, but in reality is a renewable one year scholarships. Also for transfer portal kids, aren't their awards guaranteed for the duration of their years of eligibility? Will those parameters remain the same in this new agreement and is the only new change to the scholarship itself just that it can now be partitioned into percentages rather than all or nothing? Or are the time guarantees associated with scholarships (one year for new, duration for transfer) also up for negotiation?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 26, 2024 13:46:41 GMT -5
I hope we are ready for 40 schools being the HAVES and the rest HAVE NOT's and or comeplte division system in D1 even which may sound good for some (the 40) but not for others That's already the case and the sport is more popular than ever.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 26, 2024 13:49:26 GMT -5
I'm assuming this just stays the same where an undergrad scholarship is verbally awarded for a certain number of years, and now a certain percentage, but in reality is a renewable one year scholarships. Multi-year awards have been permissible for a decade.
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Post by n00b on Jul 26, 2024 13:57:37 GMT -5
I'm assuming this just stays the same where an undergrad scholarship is verbally awarded for a certain number of years, and now a certain percentage, but in reality is a renewable one year scholarships. Multi-year awards have been permissible for a decade. And required in the Power 4, right?
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Post by bborr on Jul 26, 2024 14:18:06 GMT -5
Multi-year awards have been permissible for a decade. And required in the Power 4, right? At least in the Big Ten, a scholarship to an entering freshman in head count sports was 4 years. A portal transfer was always a negotiation, duration of eligibility was not a given. I assume conferences will reconsider all of this in light of the changes.
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