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Post by reiker21 on Oct 11, 2006 18:37:17 GMT -5
Very valid point. When does the NCAA grant players who have gone through hardships such as was pointed out in the earlier post (Tulane) players. Foreign vb players are being treated differently and seem to be given privilages that other players are not. Will our scholarships be dominated by foreign players in the future? I think there is a strong possibility.
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Post by brybry on Oct 11, 2006 18:57:27 GMT -5
This thread is becoming a touch xenophobic. It's not like Tomasevic came from a land of riches. Anyone from the former Yugoslavia will tell you that life is not easy there. Than region has been f**ked up. A lot of these girls come from war-torn countries or countries w/ nowhere near the kind of education they can achieve in the US. Foreign students (whether student or student athletes) do bring a lot of culture to the universities. And most of them are very appreciative of the opportunity to live and study in the US.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 11, 2006 20:14:33 GMT -5
This thread is becoming a touch xenophobic. It's not like Tomasevic came from a land of riches. Anyone from the former Yugoslavia will tell you that life is not easy there. Than region has been f**ked up. A lot of these girls come from war-torn countries or countries w/ nowhere near the kind of education they can achieve in the US. Foreign students (whether student or student athletes) do bring a lot of culture to the universities. And most of them are very appreciative of the opportunity to live and study in the US. Amen.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 11, 2006 21:29:21 GMT -5
Quite apparent that the only people supporting foreign pro's on an intercollegiate Volleyball team is those whose teams have these type of players on their roster.
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Post by rubyredslippers on Oct 11, 2006 22:15:40 GMT -5
Back on the original topic: What does it mean when they say the following in her bio,
National Team Kaczor has been in the Polish National Team program since 2000 and is a current member of the National Team...as a member of the Junior National Team, her squad finished third at the 2003 World Junior Championship and won the 2002 European Junior Championship...as a member of the Youth National Team, her team finished third at the 2001 World Youth Championship and second at the 2001 European Youth Championship. This is what it says on the roster. Hello!!
Also, have you looked at her stats lately, she may not have scored too many points that last game but if you look back from the beginning of the year she has scored anywhere between 9 and 24 points and has an average of nearly 16 per game. I don't know..... Anyone that says she's not that good is trying to cover something up someting. Yah, and looking at her stats that range from .194 to .593 her average percentage is .328. Hmmmm.... so who was it who said that she really was not that good. Have you really been watching her? I think Mick is trying to pull a fast one and trying to get under the radar with his one. Hmmm Sounds pretty fishy to me....
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Post by roofed! on Oct 11, 2006 22:50:10 GMT -5
Back on the original topic: What does it mean when they say the following in her bio, National Team Kaczor has been in the Polish National Team program since 2000 and is a current member of the National Team...as a member of the Junior National Team, her squad finished third at the 2003 World Junior Championship and won the 2002 European Junior Championship...as a member of the Youth National Team, her team finished third at the 2001 World Youth Championship and second at the 2001 European Youth Championship. This is what it says on the roster. Hello!!Also, have you looked at her stats lately, she may not have scored too many points that last game but if you look back from the beginning of the year she has scored anywhere between 9 and 24 points and has an average of nearly 16 per game. I don't know..... Anyone that says she's not that good is trying to cover something up someting. Yah, and looking at her stats that range from .194 to .593 her average percentage is .328. Hmmmm.... so who was it who said that she really was not that good. Have you really been watching her? I think Mick is trying to pull a fast one and trying to get under the radar with his one. Hmmm Sounds pretty fishy to me.... Most posters know that Kaczor is a highly polished hitter, whom USC would go to most of the time to get the team out of trouble. Certainly she has to be good to be on the various Polish national teams. Candelas was similarly very highly skilled (I would say even more so than Kaczor) when she came to USC in 2002. Stanford also has several players who were on US national teams coming into Stanford, such as Logan Tom and Cynthia Barboza. Anyway, I wonder what your point is? Are you picking on Kaczor's participation on Polish national team? What do you mean by Haley is hiding something when her national team involvement is clearly listed on her bio?
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Post by rubyredslippers on Oct 11, 2006 23:21:35 GMT -5
I am just saying that some people on this post: "I know everbody has been questioning her eligibility and the success of USC because of her.. Rubio complained that the reason that his team lost is because of Kaczor, well I didnt see it that way. first and foremost if you have seen her play the only thing iam really impress about her is her hitting and even that she does not really hit hard, she just has a lot of shots, her digging is horrible and her blocking is average, she does not even pass. "(I don't know how to do the square copying...
Claim that she is really not that good. Maybe I just mis-read... Isn't that somewhat of a professional team? or am I wrong on that?
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Post by Murina on Oct 11, 2006 23:35:15 GMT -5
Quite apparent that the only people supporting foreign pro's on an intercollegiate Volleyball team is those whose teams have these type of players on their roster. I don't fit that description.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 11, 2006 23:36:27 GMT -5
Quite apparent that the only people supporting foreign pro's on an intercollegiate Volleyball team is those whose teams have these type of players on their roster. I don't fit that description. True but that would make you the exception.
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Post by rudepa on Oct 11, 2006 23:48:35 GMT -5
I also agree that Rubio just said what most are thinking..... At least he had the balls to say something. Perhaps blaming the loss on one player is a bit excessive and perhaps he should be talkng to the NCAA. Winning is important, but so is FAIR PLAY.
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Post by roofed! on Oct 11, 2006 23:57:43 GMT -5
Claim that she is really not that good. Maybe I just mis-read... Isn't that somewhat of a professional team? or am I wrong on that? Are you implying that being a good player going into college means that she is a professional? Then the Logan Toms of the collegiate players are professional too. That list should then include not only Logan Tom, Cynthia Barboza, Alex Klineman (touted to be the next big star), Sarah Pavan, Megan Hodge etc.....
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 0:24:42 GMT -5
The problem with Sanja isn't pro/am status, it was always her age. The pro/am status simply made the age issue more noticeable. There is no evidence that the conflict in the former yugoslav republic kept her from playing volleyball with her club or with the NT system. If she could play for them, she theoretically could come to the USA and play here. The indication is that the war wasn't what kept her from enrolling before age 22, but rather that she simply didn't seriously consider/pursue it until then. Well put. That's pretty much been my argument all along. The problem with the NCAA rules on "amatuerism" is that they frankly don't make all that much sense. It's a bunch of disparate rules that were meant to address "unfair" experience playing with/against high-level players, and the possibility that semi-pro teams might pay someone under the table. One can even practice with a professional team or players. Then the NCAA pretty much throws out all those rules as long as it's participation in a "national team". You can chose what you want to believe about Hana Cutura. I know Rich Feller and Chris Bigelow, and Hana Cutura was special enough to them and the Cal compliance office to do all the extra work it took to square away the concerns about her "amateur status". I have no concerns that they would fudge the rules and play her anyways. However - for any other international players where "amateur status" may be questioned, I don't see much happening save a "smoking gun" like the Costas Theocharidis bombshell with his Greek team's blank playing contract form.
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Post by hwy101 on Oct 12, 2006 1:28:51 GMT -5
Yikes, civil war. War with NATO? Remember, the Serbians were the agressors in the civil war of the former Yugoslav republics.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 1:47:17 GMT -5
Yikes, civil war. War with NATO? Remember, the Serbians were the agressors in the civil war of the former Yugoslav republics. Perhaps. However - the (more or less) innocent civilian majority are the ones who inevitably suffer from the actions of their leaders. BTW - Tomasevic's mother was Croatian. And this really has nothing to do with whether or not Tomasevic deserved another year of eligibility that someone else in the same situation wouldn't have gotten.
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Post by brybry on Oct 12, 2006 2:27:13 GMT -5
I am just saying that some people on this post: "I know everbody has been questioning her eligibility and the success of USC because of her.. Rubio complained that the reason that his team lost is because of Kaczor, well I didnt see it that way. first and foremost if you have seen her play the only thing iam really impress about her is her hitting and even that she does not really hit hard, she just has a lot of shots, her digging is horrible and her blocking is average, she does not even pass. "(I don't know how to do the square copying... Claim that she is really not that good. Maybe I just mis-read... Isn't that somewhat of a professional team? or am I wrong on that? To quote, you need to hit the "quote" box on the upper right corner of the desired post. Participation at the National Team level is fine. The argument is that Kaczor has played on a "pro" team. That is not allowed. But basically things get grey when it comes to European teams whose club and "pro" system aren't as clear cut as ours. At least that's my understanding of it. Yes, I'm a fan of USC, but I do try to keep some clarity. I'm betting if this were 1996 when Angelica Lundquist was playing, we wouldn't be hearing from some posters either.
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