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Post by StuffU on Oct 12, 2006 9:29:07 GMT -5
I'm betting if this were 1996 when Angelica Lundquist was playing, we wouldn't be hearing from some posters either. The exception being that Angelica was 21 in her senior year of 1996. I don't think there was much speculation that Ljungquist was anything other than an amateur. While she came to Hawaii with a very mature attitude, her game really developed at Hawaii. I think there is a world of difference between Ljungquist and Kaczor.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 10:07:10 GMT -5
I'm betting if this were 1996 when Angelica Lundquist was playing, we wouldn't be hearing from some posters either. The exception being that Angelica was 21 in her senior year of 1996. I don't think there was much speculation that Ljungquist was anything other than an amateur. While she came to Hawaii with a very mature attitude, her game really developed at Hawaii. I think there is a world of difference between Ljungquist and Kaczor. It was a different NCAA back then. That was when it was possible to sit out games as means of regaining NCAA eligibility. That loophole was closed back around 2002 by a decision from the NCAA Reinstatement Committee. I know of one basketball player who was able to get in as part of the last group that could serve a suspension for participating in a "pro league" (and that definition has fallen by the wayside). The rules frankly haven't changed that much, but the way they're enforced has. If the reference is to Hawaii fans, then the name Costas Theocharidis should probably ring a bell.
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Post by StuffU on Oct 12, 2006 11:30:51 GMT -5
The exception being that Angelica was 21 in her senior year of 1996. I don't think there was much speculation that Ljungquist was anything other than an amateur. While she came to Hawaii with a very mature attitude, her game really developed at Hawaii. I think there is a world of difference between Ljungquist and Kaczor. It was a different NCAA back then. That was when it was possible to sit out games as means of regaining NCAA eligibility. That loophole was closed back around 2002 by a decision from the NCAA Reinstatement Committee. I know of one basketball player who was able to get in as part of the last group that could serve a suspension for participating in a "pro league" (and that definition has fallen by the wayside). The rules frankly haven't changed that much, but the way they're enforced has. If the reference is to Hawaii fans, then the name Costas Theocharidis should probably ring a bell. Most certainly, it is a different NCAA. My point was that Angelica was never seen as a professional to my knowledge. I don't recall her sitting out any matches either. The Wahine have run a very clean program ... Regarding Costas, I was disappointed, but that situation should not be a reflection of the Wahine program. Shoji and Wilton are polar opposites in many respects.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 12, 2006 11:53:05 GMT -5
If the reference is to Hawaii fans, then the name Costas Theocharidis should probably ring a bell. Costas never played for the Wahine. And I'll second what StuffU had to say. Shoji isn't a cheater like Haley, and he obviously has more class than either Mglaughlin or Feller. Two guys who put winning ahead of sportsmanship and fair play.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 11:57:25 GMT -5
It was a different NCAA back then. That was when it was possible to sit out games as means of regaining NCAA eligibility. That loophole was closed back around 2002 by a decision from the NCAA Reinstatement Committee. I know of one basketball player who was able to get in as part of the last group that could serve a suspension for participating in a "pro league" (and that definition has fallen by the wayside). The rules frankly haven't changed that much, but the way they're enforced has. If the reference is to Hawaii fans, then the name Costas Theocharidis should probably ring a bell. Most certainly, it is a different NCAA. My point was that Angelica was never seen as a professional to my knowledge. I don't recall her sitting out any matches either. The Wahine have run a very clean program ... Regarding Costas, I was disappointed, but that situation should not be a reflection of the Wahine program. Shoji and Wilton are polar opposites in many respects. Yeah - the Hawaii men's team seems to be very big on international recruiting. I was just saying that if a name was going to be brought up, Theocharidis was it. BTW - that loophole I was referring to was closed after the 2001 season. I also thought that the older interpretations of eligibility rule would have been applied to anyone starting in the 2001-2 year. There was some talk that Cal might have tried to get Mia Jerkov back in 2004 by sitting out a number of matches. I know it was a longshot. I just throw up my hands in frustration every time someone hints that Cal might have broken the rules in playing Hana Cutura. The Cal coaching staff and compliance office probably expended more effort into checking out the bona fides of her "amateur eligibility" than any other recruit in the history of NCAA D-I women's volleyball. I believe they would have made Hana aware of everything and anything that could put her NCAA eligibility in question.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 12, 2006 15:14:02 GMT -5
I just throw up my hands in frustration every time someone hints that Cal might have broken the rules in playing Hana Cutura. You have me convinced......but do you agree that USC is also in the clear regarding the players that perform for them?
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 15:42:10 GMT -5
I just throw up my hands in frustration every time someone hints that Cal might have broken the rules in playing Hana Cutura. You have me convinced......but do you agree that USC is also in the clear regarding the players that perform for them? I don't know. I'm not going to expend a whole lot of energy worrying about it though. To me, this isn't like the Tomasevic situation where there was a classic case where a rule should be applied, but was waived anyways. At least USC is clear that Kaczor is going to be docked a year of NCAA eligibility. I doubt they go back trying to extract that last year of eligibility.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 12, 2006 15:48:26 GMT -5
At least USC is clear that Kaczor is going to be docked a year of NCAA eligibility. So is she a sophomore, junior in eligibilty.....etc?
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Post by pnwvb on Oct 12, 2006 15:57:28 GMT -5
I do not even no where to begin Hana was on a Champions League Roster and according to the CEV was the 49th leading scorer list. Mladost is again playing in the Indesit Champions League and Cal is saying every member of the team was paid except for Hana, how incompetent do they think the NCAA is? Oh yeah, Tomasevic, just a little inside information, she was living in Beograd with her sister and mother and playing for two professional teams where it was not war torn fromthe time she was 16. I am sure the Serbia Federation even after their split with the Montenegran Federation still have copies of her license since her contract like Cuturaś or Topicś, or Jerkovś or, any other Turkish or Serbian, or Polish player has somehow gone missing. I gues the NCAA does not realize that there are not recreation or normal club system like US has and in most cases university teams, only professional leagues. Of course they have some different divisons besides A1 or Bundasliga, or Superliga. But the best are playing in top teams in first division teams such as Kaczor, and Tomasevic, even Seilhammer in PR. I think Croatia now has a A1 league in which Mladsost is the best representative sine they are in Champions League. NCAA should visit site of FIVB or CEV and retrieve information on clubs president, you can find all Champions League, CEV Cup , or Top Teams clun information on the site of CEV. Perhaps the PAC 10 should hire a private attorney like Big 10 did when Ohio State had to forfeit two seasons because they were using a player from Serie A1 in Italy.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 16:04:18 GMT -5
At least USC is clear that Kaczor is going to be docked a year of NCAA eligibility. So is she a sophomore, junior in eligibilty.....etc? She's listed as a junior at USC, although she was listed as a freshman at College of Southern Idaho last year. I think part of it is the way NCAA D-I reduces eligibility for the "21st birthday" rule. She turned 21 in Sept of last year. I couldn't find her team's box scores, but the stats suggested that she might have arrived a few weeks after the JC season had started. I don't how (or if) JCs dock eligibility for playing at an advanced age. However - I'm speculating that she arrived late after playing a bit on a club or national team - past her 21st b-day, and before she enrolled at CSI. For NCAA, that would mean she used up one year of eligibility playing a season at CSI, and got a reduction of one year with the "participation after the 21st birthday" rule applied. If anything, it was a tiny window, but one match is enough to trigger the rule. I doubt they try and appeal for a waiver of the rule with all the complaints I've heard about Tomasevic.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 12, 2006 16:09:23 GMT -5
I do not even no where to begin Hana was on a Champions League Roster and according to the CEV was the 49th leading scorer list. Mladost is again playing in the Indesit Champions League and Cal is saying every member of the team was paid except for Hana, how incompetent do they think the NCAA is? I doubt they're saying that. The NCAA rule on "amateurism" states that a "professional team" is one where **any** teammate on the roster is paid outside of actual expenses. I've rather gotten numb to all this. Hana is playing (if her foot is OK) and she's eligible.
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Post by roofed! on Oct 12, 2006 16:13:38 GMT -5
So is she a sophomore, junior in eligibilty.....etc? She's listed as a junior at USC, although she was listed as a freshman at College of Southern Idaho last year. I think part of it is the way NCAA D-I reduces eligibility for the "21st birthday" rule. She turned 21 in Sept of last year. I couldn't find her team's box scores, but the stats suggested that she might have arrived a few weeks after the JC season had started. I don't how (or if) JCs dock eligibility for playing at an advanced age. However - I'm speculating that she arrived late after playing a bit on a club or national team - past her 21st b-day, and before she enrolled at CSI. For NCAA, that would mean she used up one year of eligibility playing a season at CSI, and got a reduction of one year with the "participation after the 21st birthday" rule applied. If anything, it was a tiny window, but one match is enough to trigger the rule. I doubt they try and appeal for a waiver of the rule with all the complaints I've heard about Tomasevic. When Kaczor was first listed on the roster in early August, she was listed as a sophomore before being changed to junior a few weeks ago. I don't know the reason behind the change in the class status -- maybe USC (and the NCAA) is docking a year of eligibility, or maybe USC just wants to play it safe first and then petition at end of 2007 season.
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