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Post by pnwvb on Nov 6, 2006 0:28:29 GMT -5
Found this website and noticed that two of the Serbian players on Oregon's roster played in the same professional league as UW player Sanya Tomasevic. www.svf.sk/Default.aspx?CatID=903As much as I enjoy a watching good level of volleyball in pacific northwest I still believe that university programs should recruit in USA. I think that what Americans call "quick-fix" hurts the American club system taking away opportunities for American junior athletes. And I still have a difficult time accepting grown professional woman competing against young university athletes, I wonder how the new university clearinghouse will impact international recruiting.
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Post by PierreAmi on Nov 6, 2006 0:35:44 GMT -5
The link looks like its to a junior team - not a professional league.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 6, 2006 0:49:24 GMT -5
I'm about as critical (as anyone else) of the NCAA granting Tomasevic's fourth year of eligibility. War - BS? Everything I've heard is that she was busy playing club volleyball from the time she graduated HS to the time she enrolled at Washington at the age of 22. During HS she was playing junior club volleyball. The rule was clear - reduce eligibility by one year, and her's was the perfect situation to enforce the rule as designed.
However - Djuric enrolled at Oregon at the age of 19, as did Djordjevic. That's not unusual for NCAA athletes. They're about the right age for college freshmen/sophomores.
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Post by roy on Nov 6, 2006 2:53:33 GMT -5
I enjoy seeing international athletes playing in the NCAA. I believe we need rules to limit the amount of players, such as one international player per team and a strong clearinghouse to keep the playing field even. And all of that will take a lot of work. However, in doing so, you can improve the quality of the American players as they will see how good international players can be. You start to see different styles of play from different points in the world. And personally, its a great learning experience for the players. Part of the college experience is to expand a person's horizon and having a foreign player is a great way for the players to learn about other countries.
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Post by pedro el leon on Nov 6, 2006 2:58:20 GMT -5
Mclaughlin Approach? Jim has had two foreign players at UW (well three if you count Darla Myhre, who is from Victoria where you could skip a rock to from Seattle, besides B.C. is more culturally, socially, and economically connected to Seattle than we are with the east coast and they are with eastern Canada.) This is no different from many programs around the nation. There are 4 players from KJ volleyball club on UW's roster -- Thompson, Morrison, Collymore, and Mussie -- I don't think Jim is hurting the local club system at all. And there are NO current foreign players. P.S. Sanja never played professionally, nor did Danka. And Sanja was recruited by basically every program in the nation.
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Post by Gatorboy on Nov 6, 2006 3:02:59 GMT -5
Sure she didn't.
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Post by pedro el leon on Nov 6, 2006 3:05:31 GMT -5
^so prove it... all the evidence says she didn't. There are tons more foreign players out there with sketchier past records than Sanja.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Nov 6, 2006 4:54:05 GMT -5
There are 4 players from KJ volleyball club on UW's roster -- Thompson, Morrison, Collymore, and Mussie -- I don't think Jim is hurting the local club system at all. And there are NO current foreign players. Well, technically Janine Sandell is from England, but she's been in the U.S. since she was 11 and went to high school in Arizona. But having to stretch that far to find a foreign connection just brings home the point: there's nothing "McLaughlin" about what pnwvb's complaining about. If BC's right about these players' ages, there's not a lot of substance to the complaint either.
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Post by beachman on Nov 6, 2006 8:32:00 GMT -5
Found this website and noticed that two of the Serbian players on Oregon's roster played in the same professional league as UW player Sanya Tomasevic. www.svf.sk/Default.aspx?CatID=903As much as I enjoy a watching good level of volleyball in pacific northwest I still believe that university programs should recruit in USA. I think that what Americans call "quick-fix" hurts the American club system taking away opportunities for American junior athletes. And I still have a difficult time accepting grown professional woman competing against young university athletes, I wonder how the new university clearinghouse will impact international recruiting. Given your views on foreigners, you would have a real problem with the men's side of NCAA volleyball
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Post by beachman on Nov 6, 2006 8:35:40 GMT -5
^so prove it... all the evidence says she didn't. There are tons more foreign players out there with sketchier past records than Sanja. IF you want to see foreign pros just take a glance at the sport of NCAA women's Tennis.....not the fact that so many are foreigners and that they even took money....the real eye opener is the amounts of money that some of them won playing on the various pro tours.....one thing to make $3-4K....you can expense those types of amounts, but there are some who made $30-$40K.....amateurs??? Well they are in the eyes of some of the compliance folks around the country.....
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Post by dontknowjack on Nov 6, 2006 8:40:16 GMT -5
moore is taking the moore approach -- taking a dead-last team and quickly turning them into an NCAA team (i see oregon bowing out in the 2nd round). he'll do well there in that enviro.
give him a traditional top 10 team again, and hell ruin it just like he did texas.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 6, 2006 10:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by reiker21 on Nov 6, 2006 10:48:52 GMT -5
I agree with previous poster .It is not that Moore is a great coach he just choose a quick fix to his problem. The foreign players they are bringing in do come from a much higher level than here in the US. If Moore had his same players from last year they would still be in the bottom of the Pac-10. I'm afraid this is going to be the wave of the future in volleyball. I think it is a shame the way this is heading.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 6, 2006 11:02:22 GMT -5
I agree with previous poster .It is not that Moore is a great coach he just choose a quick fix to his problem. The foreign players they are bringing in do come from a much higher level than here in the US. If Moore had his same players from last year they would still be in the bottom of the Pac-10. I'm afraid this is going to be the wave of the future in volleyball. I think it is a shame the way this is heading. From what I can tell - the team's success this year seems to be a combination of the new setter (from Serbia) and the development of libero Katie Swoboda.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Nov 6, 2006 12:24:15 GMT -5
From what I can tell - the team's success this year seems to be a combination of the new setter (from Serbia) and the development of libero Katie Swoboda. Add in Sonja Newcombe; she's the one who won Pac-10 player of the week not long ago. I suspect that if you want to name all the contributors to the turnaround you'd very quickly have named most of the starting lineup. Sounds like good recruiting to me -- not all of it in Serbia -- and some good coaching as well.
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